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http://www.ubbullrun.com/2011/5/3/215249...al-for-all

If you had to go FB Only with UMass this is a good deal..

First UMass with Gilette:

* 5 games in 2012, 2013
* First 300K Gross is split 50/50 between UMass and Gilette
* After 300 the Net it split 50/50, parking is free (like Buffalo)
* UMass gets a hand full of luxury boxes to do with as they please.

The UMass / MAC agreement

* UMass paid 500,000 to join the conference.
* UMass will pay 100,000 membership dues per year (same as all MAC schools).
* UMass gets to vote on all MAC football issues.
* Two home and two road MAC hoops games per year
* The first football only member to leave (UMass or Temple) must pay 2.5 Million
* After that the other can leave for $500,000
* NO TV revenue sharing until 2013
Sounds pretty fair. I get the $2.5 million buy-out as losing just one football member puts the conference back in an awkward position with 13 members.
(05-03-2011 10:20 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds pretty fair. I get the $2.5 million buy-out as losing just one football member puts the conference back in an awkward position with 13 members.

I think the 2.5 for the first and the open ended length for both Temple and UMass are huge. For the MAC not having to sweat Temple every few years is going to be a big upgrade.

2.5 Million might be enough to keep Temple in the MAC even if C-USA comes calling (travel for their non revenue sports is already working against CUSA).

If there is a BE basketball/football split I could see Temple Hoops going to BE(Hoops) and the football team staying in the MAC.

More permanence on the football only is as much as any MAC fan could have expected.
Welcome to bodybag games, UMass!
(05-03-2011 10:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]2.5 Million might be enough to keep Temple in the MAC even if C-USA comes calling (travel for their non revenue sports is already working against CUSA).

If there is a BE basketball/football split I could see Temple Hoops going to BE(Hoops) and the football team staying in the MAC.

I agree with regard to CUSA, but do you really think that 2.5 million exit fee would keep Temple football from going to the Big East in the hypothetical event they receive an invite? Not saying an invite from the BE is likely, but if it did happen, I bet they'd take it regardless of that fee.
(05-03-2011 11:50 PM)UMassD Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2011 10:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]2.5 Million might be enough to keep Temple in the MAC even if C-USA comes calling (travel for their non revenue sports is already working against CUSA).

If there is a BE basketball/football split I could see Temple Hoops going to BE(Hoops) and the football team staying in the MAC.

I agree with regard to CUSA, but do you really think that 2.5 million exit fee would keep Temple football from going to the Big East in the hypothetical event they receive an invite? Not saying an invite from the BE is likely, but if it did happen, I bet they'd take it regardless of that fee.

No, I think that if the BE split the football schools would not invite Temple but the Hoops schools might..

Of course any MAC school would leave invited to a BCS conference..
Okay, fair enough, I guess I misinterpreted what you said.
That buyout is huge and prevents these schools from doing what Marshall and UCF did by bolting to CUSA and a slightly better TV deal. Neither of these school would profit from going to CUSA in football. Unless the Big East comes rolling out BCS $$$$$ these two teams are stuck in the MAC in football. They would have to pay 2.5 million plus the entry fee to the Big East. That is a boatload of money for schools that don't have an on-campus stadium and don't get full gate. By locking these two schools in the MAC long term the conference can pitch ESPN for a better deal next time. 4 basketball games against the MAC atleast get the MAC 2 homes games non conference.
(05-03-2011 09:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]The UMass / MAC agreement

* UMass paid 500,000 to join the conference.
* UMass will pay 100,000 membership dues per year (same as all MAC schools).
* UMass gets to vote on all MAC football issues.
* Two home and two road MAC hoops games per year
* The first football only member to leave (UMass or Temple) must pay 2.5 Million
* After that the other can leave for $500,000
* NO TV revenue sharing until 2013

Huge.

When Chryst signed Temple to the 5 year deal, the buyout I believe was at most 1 million dollars which reduced in increments each year they were a member.

What Temple and UMass have on the books is a long term binding penalty for ever leaving the Mid American conference. With all the instability among conferences these days (major membership changes every 5-10 years), both schools are going to hold out for the Big East.

CUSA is off the table for good. It would take Temple years to make up the expense of that MAC buyout fee n CUSA. CUSA hoops is continuing to slide even further into obscurity causing less incentive than ever to join.
(05-04-2011 02:00 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2011 09:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]The UMass / MAC agreement

* UMass paid 500,000 to join the conference.
* UMass will pay 100,000 membership dues per year (same as all MAC schools).
* UMass gets to vote on all MAC football issues.
* Two home and two road MAC hoops games per year
* The first football only member to leave (UMass or Temple) must pay 2.5 Million
* After that the other can leave for $500,000
* NO TV revenue sharing until 2013

Huge.

When Chryst signed Temple to the 5 year deal, the buyout I believe was at most 1 million dollars which reduced in increments each year they were a member.

What Temple and UMass have on the books is a long term binding penalty for ever leaving the Mid American conference. With all the instability among conferences these days (major membership changes every 5-10 years), both schools are going to hold out for the Big East.

CUSA is off the table for good. It would take Temple years to make up the expense of that MAC buyout fee n CUSA. CUSA hoops is continuing to slide even further into obscurity causing less incentive than ever to join.

And how much further would CUSA hoops fall if UCF left? Memphis?
What's the exit fee for full MAC members? Even though it's extremely unlikely given the MAC's history of stability, there should have been a provision in there reducing the exit fee if the membership significantly changes, like if there's a WAC/MWC-style split in which all the best MAC teams run off and form a new conference.
(05-04-2011 08:34 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote: [ -> ]What's the exit fee for full MAC members? Even though it's extremely unlikely given the MAC's history of stability, there should have been a provision in there reducing the exit fee if the membership significantly changes, like if there's a WAC/MWC-style split in which all the best MAC teams run off and form a new conference.

As tempting as it sounds, there is not going to be a MAC split.

The only reason why the Airport 5 (Utah, BYU, Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico) left the WAC was to make a run at becoming a BCS conference. They seriously though they had a chance at the outset of the MWC and then they almost had it prior to this summer.

Those days are long gone though. We are in the M-WAC era. Boise State is staring sactions in the face and has peaked. The MWC is nothing more than another CUSA, CUSA is nothing more than SBC+, SBC is where the WAC will be in 10 years. Crap all around.
(05-04-2011 02:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-04-2011 02:00 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-03-2011 09:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]The UMass / MAC agreement

* UMass paid 500,000 to join the conference.
* UMass will pay 100,000 membership dues per year (same as all MAC schools).
* UMass gets to vote on all MAC football issues.
* Two home and two road MAC hoops games per year
* The first football only member to leave (UMass or Temple) must pay 2.5 Million
* After that the other can leave for $500,000
* NO TV revenue sharing until 2013

Huge.

When Chryst signed Temple to the 5 year deal, the buyout I believe was at most 1 million dollars which reduced in increments each year they were a member.

What Temple and UMass have on the books is a long term binding penalty for ever leaving the Mid American conference. With all the instability among conferences these days (major membership changes every 5-10 years), both schools are going to hold out for the Big East.

CUSA is off the table for good. It would take Temple years to make up the expense of that MAC buyout fee n CUSA. CUSA hoops is continuing to slide even further into obscurity causing less incentive than ever to join.

And how much further would CUSA hoops fall if UCF left? Memphis?

Far. There is no difference between CUSA and MAC hoops if Memphis were to leave.

I wouldn't put it past the BE to take Memphis if the politics line up. Who then do you replace Memphis with? MTSU? That is a definite downgrade.
(05-04-2011 08:34 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote: [ -> ]What's the exit fee for full MAC members? Even though it's extremely unlikely given the MAC's history of stability, there should have been a provision in there reducing the exit fee if the membership significantly changes, like if there's a WAC/MWC-style split in which all the best MAC teams run off and form a new conference.

Back in the day (2008) it was about 200,000 I don't know if it's changed since then but really who in the MAC will be moving?

My only concern with football only members was that the MAC becomes a placeholder conference for UMass and Temple. The 2.5 Million dollar buyout means that Temple/UMass will only go if an AQ offer comes.

The only realistic conference that a MAC team might want to jump to, aside from any AQ, is CUSA but the geography sucks. Look at how well that worked out for Marshall.
Keep in mind that it's not just $2.5 million, it's that plus whatever the Atlantic 10 exit fee is, unless another conference offers a football-only spot.
(05-04-2011 11:14 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote: [ -> ]Keep in mind that it's not just $2.5 million, it's that plus whatever the Atlantic 10 exit fee is, unless another conference offers a football-only spot.


Would there be an exit fee if Temple were to simply let their contract with the MAC expire?
I thought it was interesting that each school pays the MAC 100k/yr. Is this money used for conference administration? Does the MAC still take a 1/15th share of tv and bowl revenue as well? Is there an accounting benefit from paying the money out to the schools in the form of TV/bowl revenue and then collecting it back as opposed to just retaining 1.4 mil then splitting up the rest?

I am sure there is a good reason, but being the "new guy" I don't know it yet.
(05-04-2011 11:34 AM)JVWOwls86 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-04-2011 11:14 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote: [ -> ]Keep in mind that it's not just $2.5 million, it's that plus whatever the Atlantic 10 exit fee is, unless another conference offers a football-only spot.


Would there be an exit fee if Temple were to simply let their contract with the MAC expire?

From what I've read the Temple and UMass agreements don't expire anymore
Quote:"Temple originally joined the MAC on a six-year contract in 2007 after being dropped by the Big East. UMass' contract calls for an open-ended agreement with no termination date. According to McCutcheon, Temple now has the same membership agreement as UMass."
(05-04-2011 11:34 AM)JVWOwls86 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-04-2011 11:14 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote: [ -> ]Keep in mind that it's not just $2.5 million, it's that plus whatever the Atlantic 10 exit fee is, unless another conference offers a football-only spot.


Would there be an exit fee if Temple were to simply let their contract with the MAC expire?

The length of this new contract is FOREVER. If you want to wait around for that to expire, be my guest.
(05-04-2011 09:37 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]Those days are long gone though. We are in the M-WAC era. Boise State is staring sactions in the face and has peaked. The MWC is nothing more than another CUSA, CUSA is nothing more than SBC+, SBC is where the WAC will be in 10 years. Crap all around.

The MWC even with losing Utah & TCU and picking up Boise, Nevada, Hawaii & Fresno is light years better than CUSA in both hoops and football. Add the 4 WAC programs to AF & SD ST and you have 6 programs that won 9 or more games last year. MWC hoops attendance is better than CUSA also.
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