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A peeved Utah Congressman, joined by a bunch of poor-loser Texans, is mounting a campaign to yank the NASA shuttle Enterprise from the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) pushed a bill that would reshuffle the deck on where the four retired space shuttles will go.

Under his plan, New York's loss would be Houston's gain.

"I am seeking to restore common sense and fairness to the Space Shuttle retirement home debate," Chaffetz said. "Instead of relying on political guidance systems, these decisions must be steered by history and logic."

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) had this reply: "Fughgeddaboutit."

"When people from Paris, Beijing, Tokyo and Amsterdam start saying they want to go to Houston, maybe then they'll get a shuttle," Schumer told the Daily News. "I'd say to Texas, don't mess with New York."

This week, NASA announced the retirement homes of its retiring shuttles. The Smithsonian Institution was awarded the Discovery, Cape Canaveral's Kennedy Space Center is keeping the Atlantis and the California Science Center in Los Angeles was granted the Endeavour.

The trailblazing prototype Enterprise, which proved the space shuttle concept was workable, was awarded to the Intrepid.

Retired Navy Vice Adm. Richard Truly, a two-time astronaut and former NASA administrator, said the Intrepid is by far the best place for the Enterprise to call home.

"The Intrepid is just a beautiful place for it," said Truly, who piloted the Enterprise test flights - and who also made more than 100 carrier landings on the Intrepid.

Truly dismissed the claims by some that the Enterprise, which never flew in space, was not a true space shuttle.

"Anybody who says she wasn't an integral part of the shuttle plan just doesn't know history," Truly said.

Chaffetz' plan would have Houston's Johnson Space Center getting Endeavour - though his statement touting the proposal misspelled it "Endeavor."

The Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, Va., which currently showcases Enterprise, would get Discovery.

The California Science Center in Los Angeles would get Enterprise and Atlantis would stay at the Kennedy Space Center.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...z1Jcl0O9bb

As a former New Yorker, let me just say I have never more envied Texas than I do at this moment!

Nasa is being kicked in the balls by the administration, with Houston being the poster child.

Yeah, when I think of the space program, I think of New f'n York.

(04-15-2011 03:37 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, when I think of the space program, I think of New f'n York.

You don't remember the famous line from Apollo 13, "New York, we have a problem?"

(04-15-2011 03:44 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-15-2011 03:37 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, when I think of the space program, I think of New f'n York.

You don't remember the famous line from Apollo 13, "New York, we have a problem?"

Hell, or Armageddon with the crazyassed Russian, "Houstonnn, I'm having gravityyyyy".

NY has some of the worst politicians in the country and they continue to find ways to prove it.

(04-15-2011 03:50 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-15-2011 03:44 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-15-2011 03:37 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, when I think of the space program, I think of New f'n York.

You don't remember the famous line from Apollo 13, "New York, we have a problem?"

Hell, or Armageddon with the crazyassed Russian, "Houstonnn, I'm having gravityyyyy".

How the hell did LA get one? The only real case there is geographical distribution which I think to an extent is fair.

Why is schumer scumbag so concerned with Paris, Tokyo, and Bejing?

(04-15-2011 03:12 PM)WMD Owl Wrote: [ -> ]A peeved Utah Congressman, joined by a bunch of poor-loser Texans, is mounting a campaign to yank the NASA shuttle Enterprise from the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) pushed a bill that would reshuffle the deck on where the four retired space shuttles will go.

Under his plan, New York's loss would be Houston's gain.

"I am seeking to restore common sense and fairness to the Space Shuttle retirement home debate," Chaffetz said. "Instead of relying on political guidance systems, these decisions must be steered by history and logic."

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) had this reply: "Fughgeddaboutit."

"When people from Paris, Beijing, Tokyo and Amsterdam start saying they want to go to Houston, maybe then they'll get a shuttle," Schumer told the Daily News. "I'd say to Texas, don't mess with New York."

This week, NASA announced the retirement homes of its retiring shuttles. The Smithsonian Institution was awarded the Discovery, Cape Canaveral's Kennedy Space Center is keeping the Atlantis and the California Science Center in Los Angeles was granted the Endeavour.

The trailblazing prototype Enterprise, which proved the space shuttle concept was workable, was awarded to the Intrepid.

Retired Navy Vice Adm. Richard Truly, a two-time astronaut and former NASA administrator, said the Intrepid is by far the best place for the Enterprise to call home.

"The Intrepid is just a beautiful place for it," said Truly, who piloted the Enterprise test flights - and who also made more than 100 carrier landings on the Intrepid.

Truly dismissed the claims by some that the Enterprise, which never flew in space, was not a true space shuttle.

"Anybody who says she wasn't an integral part of the shuttle plan just doesn't know history," Truly said.

Chaffetz' plan would have Houston's Johnson Space Center getting Endeavour - though his statement touting the proposal misspelled it "Endeavor."

The Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, Va., which currently showcases Enterprise, would get Discovery.

The California Science Center in Los Angeles would get Enterprise and Atlantis would stay at the Kennedy Space Center.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...z1Jcl0O9bb

Amen Schumer! Tell it like it is. Houston, you have a problem. THe problem is nobody wants to take a vacation to go see a space shuttle in Houston-especially if they come from overseas.

(04-15-2011 08:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]NY has some of the worst politicians in the country and they continue to find ways to prove it.

Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing about Texass.

(04-16-2011 01:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why is schumer scumbag so concerned with Paris, Tokyo, and Bejing?

Well, considering they probably spend more in NY in a day than all Texans that visit NY in a year, I would say that is probably a logical reason.

(04-16-2011 02:23 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2011 01:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why is schumer scumbag so concerned with Paris, Tokyo, and Bejing?

Well, considering they probably spend more in NY in a day than all Texans that visit NY in a year, I would say that is probably a logical reason.

Isn't the retired shuttle for Americans first and foremost? You think it should be displayed to benefit non citizens, who didn't pay for the space program or NASA.

(04-16-2011 02:19 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-15-2011 08:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]NY has some of the worst politicians in the country and they continue to find ways to prove it.

Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing about Texass.

I'm making about the same money I made in California, but with no state income tax, no one-of-a-kind gasoline blend that forces gas prices to go through the roof, lower property taxes, lower everything, my paycheck is not only larger but I can buy more with it. Clearly Texas is doing something right.

BTW, in Cali I paid $650k for a 2500 sq/ft home that was built in 2001 and my house payment was around $3500. I just signed a lease out here for a 2100 sq/ft house that was built 2 years ago and was told my total utility cost (gas, electric, waterr, trash) would come to about $200 per month. In Cali my water bill in the summer was higher than that and my electric was nearly double. In fact, in Cali my vehicle registration last year was $365 and here it will be around $60. Why does California hate people with cars?

(04-16-2011 05:34 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2011 02:19 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-15-2011 08:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]NY has some of the worst politicians in the country and they continue to find ways to prove it.

Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing about Texass.

I'm making about the same money I made in California, but with no state income tax, no one-of-a-kind gasoline blend that forces gas prices to go through the roof, lower property taxes, lower everything, my paycheck is not only larger but I can buy more with it. Clearly Texas is doing something right.

BTW, in Cali I paid $650k for a 2500 sq/ft home that was built in 2001 and my house payment was around $3500. I just signed a lease out here for a 2100 sq/ft house that was built 2 years ago and was told my total utility cost (gas, electric, waterr, trash) would come to about $200 per month. In Cali my water bill in the summer was higher than that and my electric was nearly double. In fact, in Cali my vehicle registration last year was $365 and here it will be around $60. Why does California hate people with cars?

You do know that Texass is having budget problems too, right? You know, the Republican gov took the stimulous funds to pay off their debt(yet complained about the stimulous money)? Oops. No you didn't. Yeah, it prrobably is cheaper in Texass. I wouldn't even argue that.

(04-16-2011 06:20 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2011 05:34 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2011 02:19 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-15-2011 08:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]NY has some of the worst politicians in the country and they continue to find ways to prove it.

Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing about Texass.

I'm making about the same money I made in California, but with no state income tax, no one-of-a-kind gasoline blend that forces gas prices to go through the roof, lower property taxes, lower everything, my paycheck is not only larger but I can buy more with it. Clearly Texas is doing something right.

BTW, in Cali I paid $650k for a 2500 sq/ft home that was built in 2001 and my house payment was around $3500. I just signed a lease out here for a 2100 sq/ft house that was built 2 years ago and was told my total utility cost (gas, electric, waterr, trash) would come to about $200 per month. In Cali my water bill in the summer was higher than that and my electric was nearly double. In fact, in Cali my vehicle registration last year was $365 and here it will be around $60. Why does California hate people with cars?

You do know that Texass is having budget problems too, right? You know, the Republican gov took the stimulous funds to pay off their debt(yet complained about the stimulous money)? Oops. No you didn't. Yeah, it prrobably is cheaper in Texass. I wouldn't even argue that.

Given the numbers above, we could triple our taxes and STILL not be as expensive as California

It's ONE thing to have a budget problem when you're one of the lowest taxed populations... something entirely different when you're one of the highest.

and since you're so poorly informed... He complained about the stimulus because strings were attatched by Rep Lloyd Doggett, D-Austin that weren't attatched to other states. Do you REALLY consider that unreasonable?

Further, as Texas only crafts a budget every two years, this oft-repeated claim about Texas' financial "troubles" is ignorance at best. Sure... I guess we bought into Obama's promises that things would get better, and they haven't... so the budget we set 2 years ago based on all this hope and change isn't working out. BFD.

(04-19-2011 03:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Given the numbers above, we could triple our taxes and STILL not be as expensive as California

They're very accurate. And to add to that my electric bill for my first month in Texas was $15.94. Granted it was for only a 2 bedroom apartment and not a house loaded with TVs and stuff, but in Ca I;m looking at a C-note on a mild month when AC isn't needed.

(04-19-2011 03:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]It's ONE thing to have a budget problem when you're one of the lowest taxed populations... something entirely different when you're one of the highest.

+1

Getting back to the original subject, I think it's a no brainer that Cape Canaveral gets one shuttle and the Smithsonian getting another makes sense too. While NY's senator made some bone-headed statements (and fighting words at that), I'd say the Intrepid Museum makes more sense to get one than the Science Museum in LA. At least that former museum has to do somewhat with space - the one in LA appears to be a generic science museum with no tie-ins to space at all. I haven't been to either museum but my first question would be do both of those museums have enough room for a shuttle?

I've got to say though I've been to NASA and Space Center Houston a number of times, and I just think it's a poor excuse for a tourist spot. While the shuttle would have been a nice coup for that museum, I think there are a number of museums in Houston and Texas that are just more interesting destinations. Politics probably had something to do with this decision but I can't help but think that Houston is better off going after more significant business headquarters and major cultural events than a shuttle anchored in a parking lot in the heat of summer.

(04-19-2011 08:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2011 03:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Given the numbers above, we could triple our taxes and STILL not be as expensive as California

They're very accurate. And to add to that my electric bill for my first month in Texas was $15.94. Granted it was for only a 2 bedroom apartment and not a house loaded with TVs and stuff, but in Ca I;m looking at a C-note on a mild month when AC isn't needed.

(04-19-2011 03:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]It's ONE thing to have a budget problem when you're one of the lowest taxed populations... something entirely different when you're one of the highest.

+1

Remember what we told you when you asked about coming here? How is El Paso faring with the Border issues??