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Hopefully things will be quiet from them for awhile. Not much should be happening with the exception of the pending Villanova/Big East move and possibly the WAC adding one more f/b member (unless C-USA and the Mountain West do something or problems arise in the B-12).

Now only if they would do something about those horribly pretentious division names.

I figured that they was done last August to tell you the truth.

Lets be real, the Big East is safe for the foreseeable future. People really need to get off of this, the Big East needs to protect itself mantra. The Big East needs to vigilant as it gets to 12. We need to stop at 10 when Nova says yes, and watch the scene.

They had the first two years in August right before the season. They rushed it a little to end the mounting anger building over the original idea to separate OSU and Michigan and move up their game (OSU fans were preparing a chant for the first game of the year about 2 days later which probably would have been a bit embarrassing).

All of this said, having 4 years planned out doesn't prevent expansion. I certainly don't think more is coming, but the conference had an earlier 2011 and 2012 schedule that was dropped once Nebraska was invited.

Edit: I do think the Big East stays at 10.

I think the Big East will expand to 12 unless Nova says no, then we'll stop at 10 for now.

(04-06-2011 10:48 PM)animus Wrote: [ -> ]I figured that they was done last August to tell you the truth.

Lets be real, the Big East is safe for the foreseeable future. People really need to get off of this, the Big East needs to protect itself mantra. The Big East needs to vigilant as it gets to 12. We need to stop at 10 when Nova says yes, and watch the scene.

I think the idea is if the Big East gets raided it would have been easier to survive if you already had 12 teams than if you only had 9 or 10. I think that is what the schools who don't have a lot of options are thinking, and I think it was logical thinking.

(04-06-2011 10:48 PM)animus Wrote: [ -> ]I figured that they was done last August to tell you the truth.

Lets be real, the Big East is safe for the foreseeable future. People really need to get off of this, the Big East needs to protect itself mantra. The Big East needs to vigilant as it gets to 12. We need to stop at 10 when Nova says yes, and watch the scene.

Agree.

having a schedule doesn't end expansion, you can always change schedules, especially with conference teams.

(04-06-2011 10:44 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: [ -> ]Now only if they would do something about those horribly pretentious division names.

I remember reading a few months back about how the Big 10/11/12 commish was actually surprised at the negative feedback the division names were receiving- upwards of 80-85%. He stated that they would rethink changing the names (which they should) but I haven't seen any update about this yet.

(04-07-2011 06:43 AM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2011 10:48 PM)animus Wrote: [ -> ]I figured that they was done last August to tell you the truth.

Lets be real, the Big East is safe for the foreseeable future. People really need to get off of this, the Big East needs to protect itself mantra. The Big East needs to vigilant as it gets to 12. We need to stop at 10 when Nova says yes, and watch the scene.

I think the idea is if the Big East gets raided it would have been easier to survive if you already had 12 teams than if you only had 9 or 10. I think that is what the schools who don't have a lot of options are thinking, and I think it was logical thinking.

That's a really good point. In many ways, the BE is a popular victim to get raiding in the future if some conferences decide to expand beyond 12 teams. But the BE needs to be proactive in finding the best up-and-coming schools to protect itself.

(04-07-2011 06:43 AM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]I think the idea is if the Big East gets raided it would have been easier to survive if you already had 12 teams than if you only had 9 or 10.

That is defeatist thinking. That is the equivalent of fouling when you are up by two with 10 seconds remaining in a basketball game, and all but concedign overtime, so that the other team cannot hit a three to beat you.

(04-07-2011 09:51 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I remember reading a few months back about how the Big 10/11/12 commish was actually surprised at the negative feedback the division names were receiving- upwards of 80-85%. He stated that they would rethink changing the names (which they should) but I haven't seen any update about this yet.

They quietly reaffirmed the names, and decided to keep them.

(04-07-2011 09:58 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2011 06:43 AM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2011 10:48 PM)animus Wrote: [ -> ]I figured that they was done last August to tell you the truth.

Lets be real, the Big East is safe for the foreseeable future. People really need to get off of this, the Big East needs to protect itself mantra. The Big East needs to vigilant as it gets to 12. We need to stop at 10 when Nova says yes, and watch the scene.

I think the idea is if the Big East gets raided it would have been easier to survive if you already had 12 teams than if you only had 9 or 10. I think that is what the schools who don't have a lot of options are thinking, and I think it was logical thinking.

That's a really good point. In many ways, the BE is a popular victim to get raiding in the future if some conferences decide to expand beyond 12 teams. But the BE needs to be proactive in finding the best up-and-coming schools to protect itself.

It's kind of circular, though. Let's say that the BE gets raided and is left with 6 football schools. (I agree with people like animus that this isn't happening, but we'll just use it as a hypothetical.) Now, that would suck for those 6 leftovers and maybe their AQ status is in danger, but they are still presumably stronger than any of the non-AQ schools out there. Thus, those 6 schools could stick together and still either rebuild the existing league or create a new conference by inviting others - those leftovers still have more leverage than those in C-USA. This isn't a WAC situation where the 6 leftovers are somehow completely undesirable with no alternatives.

There is no reasonably viable candidate that the BE could add today that would keep a current member from bolting to the Big Ten or ACC. Thus, adding schools because you're worried about defections in the future doesn't make sense. Whoever is leftover from the BE in the wake of a raid is better off forming a new conference with the best of whoever is at the non-AQ level at that time in an attempt to retain AQ status than trying to elevate schools who may never pan out today.

The next time the B1G expands will be when ND wants to Join and PITT more likely join them

OR a Texas/Texas A/M

the team that's added will need to bring 25-30 million to offset venue..

their is few teams that can due that...

The Big East ain't getting raided by the B1G

(04-07-2011 02:01 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote: [ -> ]The next time the B1G expands will be when ND wants to Join and PITT more likely join them

OR a Texas/Texas A/M

the team that's added will need to bring 25-30 million to offset venue..

their is few teams that can due that...

The Big East ain't getting raided by the B1G

I would posit that the University of Texas is in the best position of any program in college athletics right now. No reason at all to join the Big Ten. Absolutely zero.

(04-07-2011 02:13 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2011 02:01 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote: [ -> ]The next time the B1G expands will be when ND wants to Join and PITT more likely join them

OR a Texas/Texas A/M

the team that's added will need to bring 25-30 million to offset venue..

their is few teams that can due that...

The Big East ain't getting raided by the B1G

I would posit that the University of Texas is in the best position of any program in college athletics right now. No reason at all to join the Big Ten. Absolutely zero.

ND is in the same situation at Texas. No reason for them to join the Big Ten, either. They can schedule any school they want, recruit across the country by scheduling schools there, bring in tons of money from the NBC contract, and be a national name.

(04-07-2011 02:37 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2011 02:13 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2011 02:01 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote: [ -> ]The next time the B1G expands will be when ND wants to Join and PITT more likely join them

OR a Texas/Texas A/M

the team that's added will need to bring 25-30 million to offset venue..

their is few teams that can due that...

The Big East ain't getting raided by the B1G

I would posit that the University of Texas is in the best position of any program in college athletics right now. No reason at all to join the Big Ten. Absolutely zero.

ND is in the same situation at Texas. No reason for them to join the Big Ten, either. They can schedule any school they want, recruit across the country by scheduling schools there, bring in tons of money from the NBC contract, and be a national name.

Does ND have to give their non-fb Tier3 tv rights to the Big East?

If they do that could make their own network impossible in the BE.

Anyone have any links to something detailing whether all BE tv inventory is tied up in the league deals?

(04-06-2011 09:17 PM)whitey Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.examiner.com/college-football...sibilities

like schedules can't be changed

(04-07-2011 06:43 AM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]I think the idea is if the Big East gets raided it would have been easier to survive if you already had 12 teams than if you only had 9 or 10. I think that is what the schools who don't have a lot of options are thinking, and I think it was logical thinking.

I think the insurance policy argument is a very good one - maybe even the best overall argument for expansion. But I don't think Villanova is much of an insurance policy.

(04-07-2011 02:37 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2011 02:13 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote: [ -> ]I would posit that the University of Texas is in the best position of any program in college athletics right now. No reason at all to join the Big Ten. Absolutely zero.

ND is in the same situation at Texas. No reason for them to join the Big Ten, either.

While I don't see either happening, these statements completely ignore the academic money side. Both would stand to rake in an unbelievably larger amount in the Big Ten when academic money is counted.