This sounds carzy good and I am ONLY comparing personality, smiles, speech, his presence , warmess, likeability etc but I heard and saw a little bit of MSU's Magic Johnson in coach Monty in press conf video.....and I loved the RED power tie, Mr. green tie Phillips at your intro.
He projected warmth, gave that "this is a good guy" vibe, like meeting a new neighbor. Definitely got a good sample of what got him hired. Small sample, but it leaves no doubt that he'll be able to build the bridges that he needs to.
But Magic? You're right, that is a crazy comparison, that's a whole other level of persona and personality.
For me, the big question is....Is this a world-class hire?
(03-25-2011 03:09 PM)DogTracks Wrote: [ -> ]He projected warmth, gave that "this is a good guy" vibe, like meeting a new neighbor. Definitely got a good sample of what got him hired. Small sample, but it leaves no doubt that he'll be able to build the bridges that he needs to.
But Magic? You're right, that is a crazy comparison, that's a whole other level of persona and personality.
It was his million dollar smile and how smoothly he expressed and carried himself on camera that drew my comparison.
He knows how to deflect/dodge media questions needing to be deflected and how to inject a more positive spin on questions which typically trap speakers into tuff corners to answer openly. It was a skill absent in his predecessor.
He has the grin and salesmanship skills in a good way like MagicJ.
Parents and recruits should find him likable, believable, trustworthy and a coach you would want to play for.
NIU flat out hired the right man for the challenges ahead if what we have seen offcourt translates to the floor come game days.
It's difficult for me NOT to get too excited and too optimistic for the future of the program.
(03-25-2011 03:48 PM)Dog Fan Wrote: [ -> ]For me, the big question is....Is this a world-class hire?
What does that even mean??? There is NO way to ever know if a hire is world-class until after the fact, although you can always predict (like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened). This seems like a very good hire right now - only time will tell.
Even hiring a supposed "world-class" coach is not guarantee he'll perform at that level in the future.
(03-25-2011 04:48 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote: [ -> ]What does that even mean??? There is NO way to ever know if a hire is world-class until after the fact, although you can always predict (like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened). This seems like a very good hire right now - only time will tell.
Even hiring a supposed "world-class" coach is not guarantee he'll perform at that level in the future.
I take it you've never heard Jim Phillips give a press conference?
many have alluded to the idea that "like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened"........I don't recall any such sentiment but I could have old timer's disease....could anyone post actual quotes from that time supporting this concept? or is it just re-writing history?
(03-25-2011 06:03 PM)UIHuskie Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2011 04:48 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote: [ -> ]What does that even mean??? There is NO way to ever know if a hire is world-class until after the fact, although you can always predict (like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened). This seems like a very good hire right now - only time will tell.
Even hiring a supposed "world-class" coach is not guarantee he'll perform at that level in the future.
I take it you've never heard Jim Phillips give a press conference?
No, I haven't it. I take it he likes using the phrase "world class?"
(03-25-2011 06:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote: [ -> ]many have alluded to the idea that "like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened"........I don't recall any such sentiment but I could have old timer's disease....could anyone post actual quotes from that time supporting this concept? or is it just re-writing history?
This is what HuskiemobileMan wrote...
Quote:the more I read about Patton the more I like the hire. i think he's the right man for the job and im confident in JP's selection
It's just funny reading it now, because on his signature it says:
Fire Ricardo Patton
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=155488
Also, some interesting thoughts here...
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=155480
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=155516
Even MD wasn't extremely excited about him...that should be a HUGE red flag when MD is not calling the next Coach K.
BTW, MD, please come out of your retirement! The negativity is gone, we are all rejoicing our new Bball coach, it doesn't feel the same without you!
(03-25-2011 06:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote: [ -> ]many have alluded to the idea that "like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened"........I don't recall any such sentiment but I could have old timer's disease....could anyone post actual quotes from that time supporting this concept? or is it just re-writing history?
I was just looking back at some threads from the dawn of the Patton era.
There was definite skepticism, and a few people flat out disliked it, and some disappointment because there had been some Pete Gillen buzz.
I don't think a consensus ever really formed. Some people tried to rally around Patton a little and look for the upside, some just couldn't warm up to the hire.
People are really embracing Montgomery. That much is positive.
(03-25-2011 06:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote: [ -> ]many have alluded to the idea that "like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened"........I don't recall any such sentiment but I could have old timer's disease....could anyone post actual quotes from that time supporting this concept? or is it just re-writing history?
This is what Dog Fan said on 3/26/2007:
"Guy sounds like he's a couple cards short of a full deck. His antics may work in the pros, which are full of overpaid babies. Let's see how Patton's act plays in DeKalb."
On 3/19/2007 HuskieFan38 said, "I have traditionally been more excited about Huskie basketball than football. I started to lose that excitement when Rob Judson was fired. That excitement virtually left me when Generalisimo Patton was hired. Call it bad vibes or whatever, I just don't think he was the right hire."
On 3/19/2007 MaddDawgs02 said, "I guess Im just a little disappointed because of how quickly this happened. I really thought Phillips had landed Gillen, and I felt that explained why it happened so quickly because of Phillips thinking he landed a cant miss guy. I listened to a sporting news analyst this morning talk about him on WSCR saying he was a poor in game manager but mentally prepares his teams good to play, and is a good recruiter. Only time will tell, Im disappointed right now and I feel guilty for feeling that way because we haven't even given him a chance yet. "
On 3/19/2007 Huskie 97 said, "This move smacks of desperation, on his part. It's like he took the first job he was offered because he knew he wouldn't get many offers. He hadn't he even been on campus before he took the job. He couldn't say yes fast enough."
And on 3/26/2007 Freehuskie said, "He and Tony Dungy will be closer together now so they can play with their Jesus toys together. Let us pray and thank God for sending this kook our way."
So..., looks like plenty of people were questioning the hire!
(03-25-2011 07:23 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2011 06:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote: [ -> ]many have alluded to the idea that "like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened"........I don't recall any such sentiment but I could have old timer's disease....could anyone post actual quotes from that time supporting this concept? or is it just re-writing history?
This is what Dog Fan said on 3/26/2007:
"Guy sounds like he's a couple cards short of a full deck. His antics may work in the pros, which are full of overpaid babies. Let's see how Patton's act plays in DeKalb."
On 3/19/2007 HuskieFan38 said, "I have traditionally been more excited about Huskie basketball than football. I started to lose that excitement when Rob Judson was fired. That excitement virtually left me when Generalisimo Patton was hired. Call it bad vibes or whatever, I just don't think he was the right hire."
On 3/19/2007 MaddDawgs02 said, "I guess Im just a little disappointed because of how quickly this happened. I really thought Phillips had landed Gillen, and I felt that explained why it happened so quickly because of Phillips thinking he landed a cant miss guy. I listened to a sporting news analyst this morning talk about him on WSCR saying he was a poor in game manager but mentally prepares his teams good to play, and is a good recruiter. Only time will tell, Im disappointed right now and I feel guilty for feeling that way because we haven't even given him a chance yet. "
On 3/19/2007 Huskie 97 said, "This move smacks of desperation, on his part. It's like he took the first job he was offered because he knew he wouldn't get many offers. He hadn't he even been on campus before he took the job. He couldn't say yes fast enough."
And on 3/26/2007 Freehuskie said, "He and Tony Dungy will be closer together now so they can play with their Jesus toys together. Let us pray and thank God for sending this kook our way."
So..., looks like plenty of people were questioning the hire!
the last three coaches, after they were hired developed flaws we did not expect. Hammel seemed to lose his ability to pull the trigger on offering recruits who ended up elsewhere. Judson became enamored in recruiting good kids with limited talent, became obsessed with team play to the extent he did not ever want to put up one of our players for MAC players of the week, and wanted balanced scoring and maybe let his beliefs enter into the job. Patton just did not want to work as hard as you need to at NIU. He took the familar route recruiting Tenn, did not extend himself to the student body and community and did not know how to put a team together. I think we have finally got the guy with all the components. We will get an idea when we see his first recruits. He may have to scramble a little with the first to plug some immediate holes to compete next year, but I feelgood
good analysis, GCD...I, too, think and hope MM has seen enough with Izzo and won enough at MSU to put all the parts of a program together and recruit better players, refine more individual skills, develop team chemistry and X and O the dickens outta the dry erase board...
(03-25-2011 07:09 PM)niuliger09 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2011 06:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote: [ -> ]many have alluded to the idea that "like most of us knew the Patton hire was terrible at the time it happened"........I don't recall any such sentiment but I could have old timer's disease....could anyone post actual quotes from that time supporting this concept? or is it just re-writing history?
This is what HuskiemobileMan wrote...
Quote:the more I read about Patton the more I like the hire. i think he's the right man for the job and im confident in JP's selection
It's just funny reading it now, because on his signature it says:
Fire Ricardo Patton
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=155488
Also, some interesting thoughts here...
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=155480
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=155516
Even MD wasn't extremely excited about him...that should be a HUGE red flag when MD is not calling the next Coach K.
BTW, MD, please come out of your retirement! The negativity is gone, we are all rejoicing our new Bball coach, it doesn't feel the same without you!
If you just want MD back so you have someone to beat up on for every post he makes, then I don't blame MD for leaving . After awhile the constant beatings would wear anyone down. Just sayin'.