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ULM (and LA Tech) will never concede the title of University of Louisiana to ULL, and I can't blame them. If I was a fan of those schools, I wouldn't either. A solution needs to be found. One that will make ULL and ULM happy. If this can be done and still upset Tech, then all the better.

This is my suggestion:

ULL changes their name to the University of South Louisiana- USL.

ULM changes their name to North Louisiana University- NLU.

Neither school will probably like the change but it would be geographically correct, and it's better then sharing a name that's hyphenated, and only separated by the city the school is located in. I think these sound and look better then the University of Louisiana- Lafayette and the University of Louisiana- Monroe. I think it would help the perception of the Sun Belt too.

This feud between ULL and ULM, while funny, does not help the conference, and only gives LA Tech ammunition to attack your schools and our conference.

What do you think?

(02-13-2011 02:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]ULM (and LA Tech) will never concede the title of University of Louisiana to ULL, and I can't blame them. If I was a fan of those schools, I wouldn't either. A solution needs to be found. One that will make ULL and ULM happy. If this can be done and still upset Tech, then all the better.

This is my suggestion:

ULL changes their name to the University of South Louisiana- USL.

ULM changes their name to North Louisiana University- NLU.

Neither school will probably like the change but it would be geographically correct, and it's better then sharing a name that's hyphenated, and only separated by the city the school is located in. I think these sound and look better then the University of Louisiana- Lafayette and the University of Louisiana- Monroe. I think it would help the perception of the Sun Belt too.

This feud between ULL and ULM, while funny, does not help the conference, and only gives LA Tech ammunition to attack your schools and our conference.

What do you think?

N.L.U., Ooooo, Ooooo, Ooooo

ULM used to be Northeast Louisiana and ULL used to be Southwest Louisiana in the past I believe. I doubt either would want to go back.

College Athletics has changed to the point now that you do not want to be a directional school.

(02-13-2011 02:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]ULM (and LA Tech) will never concede the title of University of Louisiana to ULL, and I can't blame them. If I was a fan of those schools, I wouldn't either. A solution needs to be found. One that will make ULL and ULM happy. If this can be done and still upset Tech, then all the better.

This is my suggestion:

ULL changes their name to the University of South Louisiana- USL.

ULM changes their name to North Louisiana University- NLU.

Neither school will probably like the change but it would be geographically correct, and it's better then sharing a name that's hyphenated, and only separated by the city the school is located in. I think these sound and look better then the University of Louisiana- Lafayette and the University of Louisiana- Monroe. I think it would help the perception of the Sun Belt too.

This feud between ULL and ULM, while funny, does not help the conference, and only gives LA Tech ammunition to attack your schools and our conference.

What do you think?

We will determine our own furture and not someone else, thank you. No one from UL made suggestions to what your name should be when it went from North Texas State to North Texas. Frankly, it's none of your business. We have branded our athletics Louisiana and will continue to use it as its starting to catch on outside of Louisiana in National Publications.

I agree that no one will call us the "University of Louisiana" or agree to it in Louisiana. That's understandble and it will never change. But to put it bluntly again, that is none of your business either. Thanks

I'm more interested in Side Show Joe's solution to the Middle East peace process and the Arab/Israeli question.

He'd have better luck finding a workable solution there.

(02-13-2011 03:13 PM)CajunT Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 02:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]ULM (and LA Tech) will never concede the title of University of Louisiana to ULL, and I can't blame them. If I was a fan of those schools, I wouldn't either. A solution needs to be found. One that will make ULL and ULM happy. If this can be done and still upset Tech, then all the better.

This is my suggestion:

ULL changes their name to the University of South Louisiana- USL.

ULM changes their name to North Louisiana University- NLU.

Neither school will probably like the change but it would be geographically correct, and it's better then sharing a name that's hyphenated, and only separated by the city the school is located in. I think these sound and look better then the University of Louisiana- Lafayette and the University of Louisiana- Monroe. I think it would help the perception of the Sun Belt too.

This feud between ULL and ULM, while funny, does not help the conference, and only gives LA Tech ammunition to attack your schools and our conference.

What do you think?

We will determine our own furture and not someone else, thank you. No one from UL made suggestions to what your name should be when it went from North Texas State to North Texas. Frankly, it's none of your business. We have branded our athletics Louisiana and will continue to use it as its starting to catch on outside of Louisiana in National Publications.

I agree that no one will call us the "University of Louisiana" or agree to it in Louisiana. That's understandble and it will never change. But to put it bluntly again, that is none of your business either. Thanks

I apologize for offending you. I didn't know it was such a touchy subject. I was just offering an alternative that I felt would benefit your school and our conference. I'm beginning to understand just how much work we have to do in order to become a stronger Sun Belt. Good luck determining your furture.

I guess I'll just focus on making North Texas the best it can be and stay out of ULL's business.

Go Mean Green!!!

(02-13-2011 02:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]ULM used to be Northeast Louisiana and ULL used to be Southwest Louisiana in the past I believe. I doubt either would want to go back.

College Athletics has changed to the point now that you do not want to be a directional school.

I don't mind being a directional school. I like being North Texas.

Go Mean Green!!!

(02-13-2011 04:53 PM)AstroCajun Wrote: [ -> ]I'm more interested in Side Show Joe's solution to the Middle East peace process and the Arab/Israeli question.

He'd have better luck finding a workable solution there.

Personally, I'd like to see him concentrate on more pressing domestic issues, like balancing the federal budget. Let the foreigners settle their differences. We need to take care of our own problems.

(02-13-2011 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 03:13 PM)CajunT Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 02:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]ULM (and LA Tech) will never concede the title of University of Louisiana to ULL, and I can't blame them. If I was a fan of those schools, I wouldn't either. A solution needs to be found. One that will make ULL and ULM happy. If this can be done and still upset Tech, then all the better.

This is my suggestion:

ULL changes their name to the University of South Louisiana- USL.

ULM changes their name to North Louisiana University- NLU.

Neither school will probably like the change but it would be geographically correct, and it's better then sharing a name that's hyphenated, and only separated by the city the school is located in. I think these sound and look better then the University of Louisiana- Lafayette and the University of Louisiana- Monroe. I think it would help the perception of the Sun Belt too.

This feud between ULL and ULM, while funny, does not help the conference, and only gives LA Tech ammunition to attack your schools and our conference.

What do you think?

We will determine our own furture and not someone else, thank you. No one from UL made suggestions to what your name should be when it went from North Texas State to North Texas. Frankly, it's none of your business. We have branded our athletics Louisiana and will continue to use it as its starting to catch on outside of Louisiana in National Publications.

I agree that no one will call us the "University of Louisiana" or agree to it in Louisiana. That's understandble and it will never change. But to put it bluntly again, that is none of your business either. Thanks

I apologize for offending you. I didn't know it was such a touchy subject. I was just offering an alternative that I felt would benefit your school and our conference. I'm beginning to understand just how much work we have to do in order to become a stronger Sun Belt. Good luck determining your furture.

I guess I'll just focus on making North Texas the best it can be and stay out of ULL's business.

Go Mean Green!!!

Sorry I insulted you Joe. But as Astro has stated, there is no solution that all will agree upon. And others have complained about the name threads, so in the interest of moving on that is why I was so blunt. But again, we are not interested in solutions that would allow input from others outside of the UL family. I'm sure most of the SBC programs that have made name changes would feel the same way. Thanks

Not to bludgeon the deceased horse but Joe could also benefit from some back story.

You are assuming that the name thing was something that was equally sought by both schools, which is incorrect, and frankly unfair to us. We followed the same legal route to change our name back in 1984 as UNO did to shed the LS part from their original name, LSU-NO. IN fact UNO remains a part of the LSU system. Well, that didn't sit well in Baton Rouge or Lake Charles, who sought a judicial solution. Monroe, as usual, was along for the ride. The most vocal opponents were our friends in Lake Charles.

ULM never wanted the UL-city designation and lost many backers (some perhaps permanently) who wanted to stay as Northeastern Louisiana.

Given that, it's pretty clear why Tech's interest and ULM's interest will never align with ours on the name issue.

That said, call us CAJUNS, and no feathers get ruffled.

(02-13-2011 08:43 PM)AstroCajun Wrote: [ -> ]Not to bludgeon the deceased horse but Joe could also benefit from some back story.

You are assuming that the name thing was something that was equally sought by both schools, which is incorrect, and frankly unfair to us. We followed the same legal route to change our name back in 1984 as UNO did to shed the LS part from their original name, LSU-NO. IN fact UNO remains a part of the LSU system. Well, that didn't sit well in Baton Rouge or Lake Charles, who sought a judicial solution. Monroe, as usual, was along for the ride. The most vocal opponents were our friends in Lake Charles.

ULM never wanted the UL-city designation and lost many backers (some perhaps permanently) who wanted to stay as Northeastern Louisiana.

Given that, it's pretty clear why Tech's interest and ULM's interest will never align with ours on the name issue.

That said, call us CAJUNS, and no feathers get ruffled.

Huh......never heard of Northeastern Louisiana!

(02-13-2011 03:13 PM)CajunT Wrote: [ -> ]We will determine our own furture and not someone else, thank you. No one from UL made suggestions to what your name should be when it went from North Texas State to North Texas. Frankly, it's none of your business. We have branded our athletics Louisiana and will continue to use it as its starting to catch on outside of Louisiana in National Publications.

I agree that no one will call us the "University of Louisiana" or agree to it in Louisiana. That's understandble and it will never change. But to put it bluntly again, that is none of your business either. Thanks

I agree that it is a matter of self-determination.

Louisiana-Monroe has chosen the "ULM" brand name and likewise we have chosen "Louisiana." Some people think it's OK to grant one but not the other because of the brand name we have chosen. We obviously disagree.

UNLV and Nevada seem to have been able to settle their differences in terms of branding. Whether or not ULM and Louisiana can settle theirs is not going to change the way we feel or what course of action we take.

The truth is that we have actively pursued this goal for nearly 40 years and in 1984 achieved it by legal and constitutional means. But because the name is "Louisiana," LSU thought it was a threat to their preeminence and used their influence to shoot it down. If you work as hard as UL has to achieve this identity you never give up, no matter what the odds. The real instigator in this dispute is LSU, who maintains their dominance by doing things to try and get the other in-state schools to hate each other and remain divided.

Every school's followers, NOT OTHERS, determine what they want to call themselves.

(02-15-2011 08:51 AM)CaliforniaCajun Wrote: [ -> ]Every school's followers, NOT OTHERS, determine what they want to call themselves.

They also get bent out of shape when outsiders don't refer to them by what they feel they should be called.

(02-15-2011 08:51 AM)CaliforniaCajun Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 03:13 PM)CajunT Wrote: [ -> ]We will determine our own furture and not someone else, thank you. No one from UL made suggestions to what your name should be when it went from North Texas State to North Texas. Frankly, it's none of your business. We have branded our athletics Louisiana and will continue to use it as its starting to catch on outside of Louisiana in National Publications.

I agree that no one will call us the "University of Louisiana" or agree to it in Louisiana. That's understandble and it will never change. But to put it bluntly again, that is none of your business either. Thanks

I agree that it is a matter of self-determination.

Louisiana-Monroe has chosen the "ULM" brand name and likewise we have chosen "Louisiana." Some people think it's OK to grant one but not the other because of the brand name we have chosen. We obviously disagree.

UNLV and Nevada seem to have been able to settle their differences in terms of branding. Whether or not ULM and Louisiana can settle theirs is not going to change the way we feel or what course of action we take.

The truth is that we have actively pursued this goal for nearly 40 years and in 1984 achieved it by legal and constitutional means. But because the name is "Louisiana," LSU thought it was a threat to their preeminence and used their influence to shoot it down. If you work as hard as UL has to achieve this identity you never give up, no matter what the odds. The real instigator in this dispute is LSU, who maintains their dominance by doing things to try and get the other in-state schools to hate each other and remain divided.

Every school's followers, NOT OTHERS, determine what they want to call themselves.

I understand what you are saying Cali, hate is a harsh word. I don’t think we disagree with each other when I say if someone within the conference goes out of their way to create obstacles or complain in email campaigns to Publications, SID’s and News Media, then it is they that are responsible for creating the hostilities and not LSU. You can’t do that to a program’s fan base and alumni, and expect everyone to get along. Too many have emotional ties to the issue that span over the last 30 to 40 years. It’s like walking up to someone and accepting a beer from them, and then spitting in their face. If someone has created that environment, then why would they be surprised hostility exists?

I understand why most on this board don’t care about the issue, because they have no vested interest. But, as you have stated, had they fought for something for almost 40 years they would understand. I don’t think any of them could understand such a fight that has lasted nearly four decades. Until something changes, the hostility will remain and nothing will change that as long as certain people continue to interfere in matters that don’t concern them.

I understand why most on this board don’t care about the issue, because they have no vested interest. But, as you have stated, had they fought for something for almost 40 years they would understand. I don’t think any of them could understand such a fight that has lasted nearly four decades. Until something changes, the hostility will remain and nothing will change that as long as certain people continue to interfere in matters that don’t concern them.
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Cajun, as a USM fan I dont have a dog in this fight. The USM fans I know, however, that are familiar with the situation elects to stay out of it and call each of you by your legal name, The University of Louisiana at Lafayette and the University of Louisiana at Monroe. The reason for this is because we compete against each of you in various sports, consider both to be strong and worthy opponents. Recognizing either of you as The University of Louisiana would would in effect be degrading to the other and we want to be friends and competitors of both. USM gets a nice financial return on licensed products. Have you guys ever considered the money you are losing by sticking by the UL thing, purchasing merchandise with only that designation. You know that all of that is done independently and your school gets NOTHING from the sales, you will note they are not licensed products. The school can license products through vendors who must legally agree to using Lafayette as part of the name and since products like that are treated as leprosy the sales are minimal and school gets nothing. This will continue until there is a legislative change and we all know that isnt coming. Just a thought. By the way, your new football coach seems to be exactly what was needed. Looks like you are on the way up.

(02-15-2011 05:02 PM)eager eagle Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why most on this board don’t care about the issue, because they have no vested interest. But, as you have stated, had they fought for something for almost 40 years they would understand. I don’t think any of them could understand such a fight that has lasted nearly four decades. Until something changes, the hostility will remain and nothing will change that as long as certain people continue to interfere in matters that don’t concern them.

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Cajun, as a USM fan I dont have a dog in this fight. The USM fans I know, however, that are familiar with the situation elects to stay out of it and call each of you by your legal name, The University of Louisiana at Lafayette and the University of Louisiana at Monroe. The reason for this is because we compete against each of you in various sports, consider both to be strong and worthy opponents. Recognizing either of you as The University of Louisiana would would in effect be degrading to the other and we want to be friends and competitors of both. USM gets a nice financial return on licensed products. Have you guys ever considered the money you are losing by sticking by the UL thing, purchasing merchandise with only that designation. You know that all of that is done independently and your school gets NOTHING from the sales, you will note they are not licensed products. The school can license products through vendors who must legally agree to using Lafayette as part of the name and since products like that are treated as leprosy the sales are minimal and school gets nothing. This will continue until there is a legislative change and we all know that isnt coming. Just a thought. By the way, your new football coach seems to be exactly what was needed. Looks like you are on the way up.
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While you hear many people say that they won't buy any athletic attire with Lafayette on it, Baseball caps and golf shirt pull overs have all sold well recently. The Baseball Caps have UL on the front and Lafayette in very small print on the back of the cap, barely noticeable. Those are made by New ERA and sell very well. Those are Licensed, so UL is not losing money at all with New Era or Russell caps because they come out with a new color ever year. This year the new cap is black with red striping and UL logo on the front. Those have all ready started to sell for Fan Day.

The Polo shirts have Ragin" Cajuns on them, no mention of Lafayette and also sell very well. The best attire for UL sports sells locally at Bell's Sporting Goods because they have licensed with univeristy approval, UL apparel on Nike and UnderArmour products. Those are much more appealing then Russell apparel that UL has a contract with right now. They all sell well locally in the area, along with Louisiana Hot Stuff apparel, witch sells official licensed products as well.

National chains such as Academey Sports do not sell well with Cajun fans because they offer colors that have nothing to do with the school, like yellow. So they sell Cajun apparel that looks like Iowa State's color schemes. This does not sit well with diehard Cajun fans, although not Academey's fault because UL approved the product.

There will be new products approved soon by marketing and branding, and once the contract runs out with Russell it is my understanding they will go with either Nike or UnderArmour, both offer more modern designs in sports apparel in my opinion. But nothing sells more official college apparel then winning. Until our football and basketball programs do that, sales of UL sports attire will be minimal at best.

(02-13-2011 05:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 02:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]ULM used to be Northeast Louisiana and ULL used to be Southwest Louisiana in the past I believe. I doubt either would want to go back.

College Athletics has changed to the point now that you do not want to be a directional school.

I don't mind being a directional school. I like being North Texas.

Go Mean Green!!!

I thought about that comment too:
North Texas
South Alabama
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky

If East Tennessee State was in MTSU's place, we'd have all four main direction points... haha

(02-15-2011 05:41 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 05:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 02:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]ULM used to be Northeast Louisiana and ULL used to be Southwest Louisiana in the past I believe. I doubt either would want to go back.

College Athletics has changed to the point now that you do not want to be a directional school.

I don't mind being a directional school. I like being North Texas.

Go Mean Green!!!

I thought about that comment too:
North Texas
South Alabama
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky

If East Tennessee State was in MTSU's place, we'd have all four main direction points... haha

Yeah maybe I should have clarified, A direction like North South East and West can be understood. its when you start combining directions like the old Northeast and Southwest Louisiana days that it just sounds really directional

I think MTSU just chose the Middle moniker because they couldnt actually find a direction to put themselves in.

(02-15-2011 11:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2011 05:41 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 05:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2011 02:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]ULM used to be Northeast Louisiana and ULL used to be Southwest Louisiana in the past I believe. I doubt either would want to go back.

College Athletics has changed to the point now that you do not want to be a directional school.

I don't mind being a directional school. I like being North Texas.

Go Mean Green!!!

I thought about that comment too:
North Texas
South Alabama
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky

If East Tennessee State was in MTSU's place, we'd have all four main direction points... haha

Yeah maybe I should have clarified, A direction like North South East and West can be understood. its when you start combining directions like the old Northeast and Southwest Louisiana days that it just sounds really directional

I think MTSU just chose the Middle moniker because they couldnt actually find a direction to put themselves in.

"The state of Tennessee is geographically and constitutionally divided into three Grand Divisions: East Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, and West Tennessee."

"The three grand divisions, East, Middle, and West Tennessee, are geographically and culturally distinct."

"The Grand Divisions are geographic, cultural, and legally recognized regions, each constituting roughly one-third of the State of Tennessee. The Grand Divisions are represented prominently by the three stars on the flag of Tennessee.[1] The earliest reference to the Grand Divisions is in The Acts of Tennessee 1835-1836 Chapter 3, "An Act to establish a Supreme Court in pursuance of the 2nd sec., art. 6, of the Constitution of the United States", at which time the boundaries were roughly the same as they are now."

"The Grand Divisions are defined in Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 4, Chapter 1, Part 2, Grand Divisions and State Capital.[4]

The Tennessee State Constitution mandates that no more than two of the five Justices on the state's Supreme Court can be from any one Division to help keep the court free from geographic bias. The court must also meet regularly in each Division.[5] Similar rules apply to some other state institutions such as the former Tennessee Public Service Commission, of whom one commissioner was required to be from each Grand Division, although the commissioners were elected statewide."