I'm perfectly happy with our current set up of 10 for football and 11/12 for basketball, but............. Should WW invite 1 or 2 teams from the WAC ? It would surely send them to the deep six as a FBS conference.
With one less FBS conference, could it help the Belt's TV package and up the BCS $$$ we receive ? Thoughts ..........................
I bet there have been discussions behind the scenes.
I wonder if the BCS would reduce the overall percentage of the payout to Non-AQ leagues if there was 1 less non-AQ league to "feed." I wouldn't put it past them.
(01-27-2011 06:11 PM)T_Won1 Wrote: [ -> ]I bet there have been discussions behind the scenes.
I wonder if the BCS would reduce the overall percentage of the payout to Non-AQ leagues if there was 1 less non-AQ league to "feed." I wouldn't put it past them.
I am kinda interested in the WAC surviving and even thriving. I am just not particularly interested in being a part of it. But sometimes great programs come up from the 1aa ashes and they need a conference. Not everybody can be in the combined WAC/belt. Does anyone really want to see an FAU/Idaho matchup?
(01-27-2011 06:11 PM)T_Won1 Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if the BCS would reduce the overall percentage of the payout to Non-AQ leagues if there was 1 less non-AQ league to "feed." I wouldn't put it past them.
Interesting to know if the $$$ would be re-distributed among the remaining non-AQs ?
careful if the WAC goes away that leaves the sunbelt in it's rightful place as the crappiest D1-A conference by far
and UNT as one of if not the crappiest teams in the crappiest conference
(01-27-2011 08:49 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: [ -> ]careful if the WAC goes away that leaves the sunbelt in it's rightful place as the crappiest D1-A conference by far
and UNT as one of if not the crappiest teams in the crappiest conference
Not the crappiest as soon as we got rid of your namesake.
Snuff the WAC out. I'd take New Mexico State and offer to take in La Tech. Won't happen= Wright Waters has no balls.
(01-28-2011 01:08 AM)Green Menace Wrote: [ -> ]Snuff the WAC out. I'd take New Mexico State and offer to take in La Tech. Won't happen= Wright Waters has no balls.
First, Benson from the WAC lead a charge to kill the Belt when we were in trouble. While turn-about is fair play, right now there is no reason to sink to his level. People do notice these things, although some fans don't.
Secondly, WW having balls or not has no influence in the least. The decision is up to the Presidents of the schools, not WW. Conference commissioners can't go to the bathroom with out first saying "Please, Boss, can I go take a leak?"
I'm all for ending the WAC. I've said before that the Belt and MAC should issue joint statements offering spots to some of the established WAC teams. If the Belt took 2, and the MAC took 2, I don't think the WAC could rebuild. Lets thin the herd. It might just create more bowl opportunities and money for us.
(01-28-2011 01:08 AM)Green Menace Wrote: [ -> ]Snuff the WAC out. I'd take New Mexico State and offer to take in La Tech. Won't happen= Wright Waters has no balls.
Wright Waters won't be the guy making that call. AD's/Presidents
(01-28-2011 01:08 AM)Green Menace Wrote: [ -> ]Snuff the WAC out. I'd take New Mexico State and offer to take in La Tech. Won't happen= Wright Waters has no balls.
There is no reason for a conference like the Sun Belt to dilute the league by bringing in a school that brings little to no benefit for the rest of the members of the league.
(01-28-2011 08:55 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for ending the WAC. I've said before that the Belt and MAC should issue joint statements offering spots to some of the established WAC teams. If the Belt took 2, and the MAC took 2, I don't think the WAC could rebuild. Lets thin the herd. It might just create more bowl opportunities and money for us.
I'm having trouble sorting out who'd I want in the Belt out of the WAC, but who is the MAC going to take? I can't imagine there would be much consideration on either end for anyone other than La Tech.
(01-28-2011 12:18 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2011 08:55 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for ending the WAC. I've said before that the Belt and MAC should issue joint statements offering spots to some of the established WAC teams. If the Belt took 2, and the MAC took 2, I don't think the WAC could rebuild. Lets thin the herd. It might just create more bowl opportunities and money for us.
I'm having trouble sorting out who'd I want in the Belt out of the WAC, but who is the MAC going to take? I can't imagine there would be much consideration on either end for anyone other than La Tech.
I've thought about this a little. I think the Belt should take NMSU, most of the conference generally likes them, and also add Utah State, the MWC isn't going to invite them and they had a winning season. USU gave Oklahoma a good game. Both of these schools were in the Belt, so they have some ties.
The MAC should take LA Tech. Tech doesn't want to be in the Belt anyway, though the current circumstances of the WAC may have changed their minds. Idaho can go to the MAC if they will take them. If not, they can go independent. I don't care. With only 1 or 2 true FBS teams left the WAC will be toast. SJSU would probably drop football. California is broke, so I don't think they would fund an independent San Jose team.
Come on Waters, make this thing happen!
(01-28-2011 01:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I've thought about this a little. I think the Belt should take NMSU, most of the conference generally likes them, and also add Utah State, the MWC isn't going to invite them and they had a winning season. USU gave Oklahoma a good game. Both of these schools were in the Belt, so they have some ties.
I'd be OK with NMSU; but don't want USU. They were only in the Belt while waiting for the WAC offer. That was OK, and we knew it. But I don't want them back knowing that once again it's only while they wait for the BBD - i.e. MWC. Similar case for NMSU; but I think they'd be happier in a more eastern based league with TX teams then USU would.
(01-28-2011 01:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2011 12:18 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2011 08:55 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for ending the WAC. I've said before that the Belt and MAC should issue joint statements offering spots to some of the established WAC teams. If the Belt took 2, and the MAC took 2, I don't think the WAC could rebuild. Lets thin the herd. It might just create more bowl opportunities and money for us.
I'm having trouble sorting out who'd I want in the Belt out of the WAC, but who is the MAC going to take? I can't imagine there would be much consideration on either end for anyone other than La Tech.
I've thought about this a little. I think the Belt should take NMSU, most of the conference generally likes them, and also add Utah State, the MWC isn't going to invite them and they had a winning season. USU gave Oklahoma a good game. Both of these schools were in the Belt, so they have some ties.
The MAC should take LA Tech. Tech doesn't want to be in the Belt anyway, though the current circumstances of the WAC may have changed their minds. Idaho can go to the MAC if they will take them. If not, they can go independent. I don't care. With only 1 or 2 true FBS teams left the WAC will be toast. SJSU would probably drop football. California is broke, so I don't think they would fund an independent San Jose team.
Come on Waters, make this thing happen!
I'd welcome NMSU. No thanks to Utah State. Let Tech stay in their leaky rowboat.:odie:
(01-28-2011 01:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2011 12:18 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2011 08:55 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for ending the WAC. I've said before that the Belt and MAC should issue joint statements offering spots to some of the established WAC teams. If the Belt took 2, and the MAC took 2, I don't think the WAC could rebuild. Lets thin the herd. It might just create more bowl opportunities and money for us.
I'm having trouble sorting out who'd I want in the Belt out of the WAC, but who is the MAC going to take? I can't imagine there would be much consideration on either end for anyone other than La Tech.
I've thought about this a little. I think the Belt should take NMSU, most of the conference generally likes them, and also add Utah State, the MWC isn't going to invite them and they had a winning season. USU gave Oklahoma a good game. Both of these schools were in the Belt, so they have some ties.
The MAC should take LA Tech. Tech doesn't want to be in the Belt anyway, though the current circumstances of the WAC may have changed their minds. Idaho can go to the MAC if they will take them. If not, they can go independent. I don't care. With only 1 or 2 true FBS teams left the WAC will be toast. SJSU would probably drop football. California is broke, so I don't think they would fund an independent San Jose team.
Come on Waters, make this thing happen!
I'm not even on board with New Mexico State, we'd be doubling the geographic footprint for one school. Utah State? Get real.
And in regards to the MAC, their tight geographic footprint is one of the only things they have going for them? La Tech? Idaho? Again, get real.
I'm still waiting for a good arguement against La Tech and Ga Southern/App State.
Quality Football - check
SBC Footprint - check
Large t.v. market - huh? we don't get any of that now.
We hate you because you don't like us - check
One for the East and one for the West - check
I think we're good to go here.
p.s. is WW waiting for us to get raided again (i.e. survival mode) before he makes something happen. The Conference has been on cruise-control for 7 years.
(01-28-2011 04:59 PM)FIUFan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still waiting for a good arguement against La Tech and Ga Southern/App State.
Quality Football - check
SBC Footprint - check
Large t.v. market - huh? we don't get any of that now.
We hate you because you don't like us - check
One for the East and one for the West - check
I think we're good to go here.
p.s. is WW waiting for us to get raided again (i.e. survival mode) before he makes something happen. The Conference has been on cruise-control for 7 years.
No need to make an arguement against. It's their job to make an arguement for that brings $$$ to the conference. Don't need to add any FCS programs wanting to move up.
(01-28-2011 04:59 PM)FIUFan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still waiting for a good arguement against La Tech and Ga Southern/App State.
Quality Football - check
SBC Footprint - check
Large t.v. market - huh? we don't get any of that now.
We hate you because you don't like us - check
One for the East and one for the West - check
I think we're good to go here.
p.s. is WW waiting for us to get raided again (i.e. survival mode) before he makes something happen. The Conference has been on cruise-control for 7 years.
The only potential schools to be raided from the Sun Belt are what you've seen recently in press articles--mostly former Southwest Conference members involved in a raid from the WAC which will never happen. North Texas could get invited by the Mountain West if the school was able to sell itself well to Craig Thompson. UNT never contacted the Mountain West during this last bout of expansion, so that issue is still unclear. I think there were some concerns that UNT would be drowned by SMU (CUSA) and TCU (Big East).
The Sun Belt still has poor perception in FBS football as if Kirk Herbstreit's laughing at the potential of the Sun Belt winning the Bowl Challenge Cup this year wasn't indicative of that. It is unlikely that very many Sun Belt teams would be picked off by any conference ahead of teams in other leagues like Conference USA and a small minority of teams in the Mid-American Conference especially if you're talking about the Big East.
Louisiana Tech will never join the Sun Belt Conference as long as Wright Waters is the commissioner of the league. There is too much bad blood between Waters and Louisiana Tech University president, Dan Reneau and the major donors of the university, because of Waters pulling LTU's right to host the Sun Belt Basketball Tournaments the season before they were scheduled to exit the league even though Sun Belt Conference by-laws prevented an exiting member from hosting league championships in any sport. So really, La Tech's "stubbornness" has less to do with Louisiana-Monroe being admitted as a member and more of La Tech wanting the conference to show some sympathy as they made their exit thinking Waters and the remaining members would understand why they left for the Western Athletic Conference.
Maybe ArkStFan can clear up any misinterpretations behind Louisiana Tech's exit, but if my memory serves right, I think that's close to how it went down.
As for Georgia Southern and Appalachian State, those schools are currently in Division 1 FCS, and they have firmly made their intentions of remaining in the Football Championship Subdivision unless 1) they are invited into an AQ conference directly from their FCS Southern Conference homes or 2) the format for determining the national champion of Division 1 FBS changes to where their schools have a realistic shot of winning the national title from no matter what conference they would join. For that reason, neither of those FCS schools could ever be considered, and the Sun Belt would be wasting its time as much as the WAC wasted theirs trying to pull Montana into their league.