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Cronin, Rice faced similiar building jobs

By Tyler Barto

Associate Sports Editor

Published: Tuesday, January 25, 2011

Updated: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 22:01

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Keith Freeman
Head coach Mike Rice is tasked with rebuilding a Rutgers program that lost six players from last year’s team — a similar challege to that which Cincinnati head coach Mick Cronin faced.

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Sophomore wing Dane Miller recorded his third double-double of the year on Saturday with 17 points and 10 rebounds against Seton Hall.

When the Rutgers men's basketball team enters Fifth Third Arena to take on Cincinnati tonight, Bearcats head coach Mick Cronin will see a Scarlet Knights program eerily similar to the one he took over in March 2006.

Saddled with an exhausted roster and transferred players, Cronin took over the Bearcats after the school ousted longtime head coach Bob Huggins when he failed to graduate student-athletes and suffered numerous program violations.

But Rutgers head coach Mike Rice sees a blueprint four years later in how Cronin implemented wholesale changes at Cincinnati.

"[Cronin] has added a lot of depth and talent," Rice said. "He has places to turn to on his bench. He has six, seven players that he can turn to if one of his starting five is not playing well. One thing I take is he's done a tremendous job restocking the talent at Cincinnati."

The Bearcats combined to win just 24 games through Cronin's first two seasons, but Cincinnati (17-3, 4-3) now boasts one of the most physical frontcourts in the Big East.

Bearcat forwards Yancy Gates and Ibrahima Thomas aid Cincinnati in registering the conference's sixth-best rebounding margin a year removed from a backcourt-oriented offense.

Former point guard and program flag-bearer Deonta Vaughn graduated, while enigmatic wing Lance Stephenson, the 2009-10 Big East Rookie of the Year, opted for the NBA after just one year with Cincinnati.

"We just want to play our basketball, control what we can control — how we play defense, how we run our offense — and take each game," senior guard Mike Coburn said. "We're not really worried about their style of play or what they do. We're going to do what we do and try to execute."

Rutgers (12-7, 3-4) dropped a pair of contests a year ago to the Bearcats, who ended the Knights' season in a 69-68 win in the first round of the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden.

Referees called a shooting foul with 1.8 seconds left on sophomore wing Dane Miller, which sent Stephenson to the free throw line and ended up being the final points scored in the Knights' season.

Miller denies the foul taking place, but has since moved on from the incident and comes into the matchup off of a 17-point, 10-rebound performance against Seton Hall.

"I really don't think about it, actually," said Miller, the 2009-10 rookie runner-up to Stephenson. "After the game, I went out there and saw my mom and forgot about it, truthfully. I really don't think about games last year."

The Knights similarly rebounded from a 1-4 start to Big East play with two consecutive victories, highlighted by a 66-60 decision over Seton Hall on Saturday in Newark.

It took the 2009-10 Knights until Feb. 14 to earn three conference victories, but Rutgers cannot afford to lose its sense of urgency against Cincinnati, Coburn said.

"I just let them know, ‘Stay hungry,'" said Coburn of the younger Knights. "We've got three [Big East] wins so far. We've got a big road game at Cincy. Try to be focused for the next upcoming game and take it one game at a time. Don't be satisfied."

Rutgers' biggest obstacle — both literally and figuratively — in extending its conference win streak is Gates, who anchors the Bearcats' defense to the Big East's best scoring defense.

Gates' three-point play with eight seconds to play propelled Cincinnati to a 53-51 victory over St. John's on Saturday in New York.

Gates and Thomas combine to average 12.8 rebounds per game to lead the Bearcats while averaging a combined 47 minutes per contest.

"Both guys are 6-10. Yancy Gates is probably 6-10, 240 [pounds]," Miller said. "He's a pitbull, so we have to box him out — double team and box him out. We have to box out everybody, not just those two. This is the Big East. Everybody wants to be aggressive."

Like Cronin, a central part of Rice's plan to get Rutgers into the upper half of the Big East deals with defense, particularly that of the 6-foot-7 Miller.

Maybe in another four years, a first-year head coach will look at Rice's blueprint with the Knights as a template.

"If you want to win you have to defend in the Big East," Rice said. "People who usually do have the best field goal percentage defense [and] have the best defensive stats. We manipulated not just Dane, but all of their thinking about, ‘If you don't defend, you don't win.'"

http://www.dailytargum.com/sports/cronin...-1.2447024
Mick had a FAR tougher rebuilding job than Rice. No comparison, really.
(01-26-2011 03:12 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: [ -> ]Mick had a FAR tougher rebuilding job than Rice. No comparison, really.

I definitely agree with you. UC only had 1 starter back in Cedric McGowan and he had an awful senior year. Other than that the transfer from Xavier (la) was bad enough that shouldn't have been listing him on a roster. Cronin inherited a disaster and his getting Williamson and a couple of others kept UC from being winless that season. Mick really went through the fire on that first year here. Indiana might have been the only team that was almost as badly decimated but even so, they still weren't hit as hard as UC was when Kennedy didnt get the job and Mick took over. Oops forgot Vaughn was a freshman recruit by Cronin. Ron Allen was the joke as a transfer that always told the reporters that he was going to play in the NBA after finishing up at UC...yeah right. haha
(01-26-2011 03:31 PM)bearcat54 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-26-2011 03:12 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: [ -> ]Mick had a FAR tougher rebuilding job than Rice. No comparison, really.

I definitely agree with you. UC only had 1 starter back in Cedric McGowan and he had an awful senior year. Other than that the transfer from Xavier (la) was bad enough to not even list him on a roster. Cronin inherited a disaster and his getting Williamson and a couple of others kept UC from being winless that season. Mick really went through the fire on that first year here. Indiana might have been the only team that was almost as badly decimated but even so, they still weren't hit as hard as UC was when Kennedy didnt get the job and Mick took over.

Not to mention that there was no recruiting done for the program in a couple seasons, so we were way behind the 8 ball. Arguably one of the toughest rebuilding jobs.
(01-26-2011 03:31 PM)bearcat54 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-26-2011 03:12 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: [ -> ]Mick had a FAR tougher rebuilding job than Rice. No comparison, really.

I definitely agree with you. UC only had 1 starter back in Cedric McGowan and he had an awful senior year. Other than that the transfer from Xavier (la) was bad enough that shouldn't have been listing him on a roster. Cronin inherited a disaster and his getting Williamson and a couple of others kept UC from being winless that season. Mick really went through the fire on that first year here. Indiana might have been the only team that was almost as badly decimated but even so, they still weren't hit as hard as UC was when Kennedy didnt get the job and Mick took over. Oops forgot Vaughn was a freshman recruit by Cronin. Ron Allen was the joke as a transfer that always told the reporters that he was going to play in the NBA after finishing up at UC...yeah right. haha

Ron Allen was an all star...he was Super Bad 04-rock


(01-26-2011 03:49 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-26-2011 03:31 PM)bearcat54 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-26-2011 03:12 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: [ -> ]Mick had a FAR tougher rebuilding job than Rice. No comparison, really.

I definitely agree with you. UC only had 1 starter back in Cedric McGowan and he had an awful senior year. Other than that the transfer from Xavier (la) was bad enough that shouldn't have been listing him on a roster. Cronin inherited a disaster and his getting Williamson and a couple of others kept UC from being winless that season. Mick really went through the fire on that first year here. Indiana might have been the only team that was almost as badly decimated but even so, they still weren't hit as hard as UC was when Kennedy didnt get the job and Mick took over. Oops forgot Vaughn was a freshman recruit by Cronin. Ron Allen was the joke as a transfer that always told the reporters that he was going to play in the NBA after finishing up at UC...yeah right. haha

Ron Allen was an all star...he was Super Bad 04-rock



Ron Allen Highlights? Wow, thought I would never see that. Hope he is doing good.
Andy Kennedy actively sabotaged this program from the inside the year he was HC. Cronin stepped into a hot mess from day 1. Much worse than Rutgers.
(01-26-2011 04:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Ron Allen Highlights? Wow, thought I would never see that. Hope he is doing good.

If only 70% of the highlights were not against Howard...Ronald Allen even has a Wiki page 04-rock

Quote:Ronald Allen (born September 12, 1984) is a 6'10" power forward for the Anaheim Arsenal of the NBA Development League. His hometown is Los Angeles, California, and he graduated from Artesia High School. As a high school senior, Ronald Allen was named a McDonald's All American nominee.[1]

Allen is currently number 32 for the New Zealand NBL team Manawatu Jets.

College
He first attended, and played College Basketball at Los Angeles City College during the 2003-04 Season, and the following year, he played at Xavier University in New Orleans, Louisiana. During the Fall of 2005, Xavier University closed down, after Hurricane Katrina devastated the City of New Orleans. Ronald Allen evacuated New Orleans and began attending and playing Basketball fpr the University of Cincinnati in Cincinnati, Ohio. Allen was given immediate eligibility by the NCAA when he migrated to Cincinnati. As A UC Bearcat, Ronald Allen was the tallest player on the team. Allen played in all but one game while he attended the University of Cincinnati.[1]

Professional
Following college, Allen was drafted by the Anaheim Arsenal in the fall of 2008. During his inaugural season with the Anaheim Arsenal, he has averaged 5.4 points per game, and has grabbed an average of 2.7 rebounds per game.[2] In 2010, he was signed by the Manawatu Jets of the New Zealand National Basketball League.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Allen_(basketball)
Rath always put it best about Ron Allen, he should go back to LA and try to get roles in movies as a basketball player. He looks like a guy who can play, even if he actually has very few basketball skills.
Even if Mick had it harder, coaching at a school with zero b-ball tradition puts a coach in the hole from day one.

Losing Rosario and Echenique was a huge blow.

I'm actually pretty impressed with his coaching job this year.
this article is stupid...nothing is apples to apples...nothing

Mick had a MUCH tougher job
UC was/is a storied program..RU hasn't done squat
UC fans were used to top 20 teams, ncaa appearances under the prior coach...RU fans weren't

lame article
(01-26-2011 04:45 PM)subflea Wrote: [ -> ]Rath always put it best about Ron Allen, he should go back to LA and try to get roles in movies as a basketball player. He looks like a guy who can play, even if he actually has very few basketball skills.

Straight out of Central Casting.....member of the All-Airport Team.
The only person recently facing a similar rebuilding job is Tom Crean. Rutgers starts 3 seniors, UC did not have 3 seniors on its team when Mick took over. Rutgers is tougher than I expected and he has done a good job.
(01-26-2011 05:23 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]this article is stupid...nothing is apples to apples...nothing

Mick had a MUCH tougher job
UC was/is a storied program..RU hasn't done squat
UC fans were used to top 20 teams, ncaa appearances under the prior coach...RU fans weren't

lame article

This comes from the school newspaper. Probably not a lot of research and the writer was looking for an angle for the game.
(01-26-2011 06:34 PM)ctipton Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-26-2011 05:23 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]this article is stupid...nothing is apples to apples...nothing

Mick had a MUCH tougher job
UC was/is a storied program..RU hasn't done squat
UC fans were used to top 20 teams, ncaa appearances under the prior coach...RU fans weren't

lame article

This comes from the school newspaper. Probably not a lot of research and the writer was looking for an angle for the game.

I used to write for UC student newspaper (my own OpEd section in the sports section) when I was a student and I would have known better than to try this angle....just sayin'
(01-26-2011 06:34 PM)ctipton Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-26-2011 05:23 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]this article is stupid...nothing is apples to apples...nothing

Mick had a MUCH tougher job
UC was/is a storied program..RU hasn't done squat
UC fans were used to top 20 teams, ncaa appearances under the prior coach...RU fans weren't

lame article

This comes from the school newspaper. Probably not a lot of research and the writer was looking for an angle for the game.

Love the reasoning he cites for the Huggins ousting. dumb***.
(01-26-2011 07:38 PM)bearcatjim Wrote: [ -> ]Love the reasoning he cites for the Huggins ousting. dumb***.

Yeah, it's common knowledge that Zimpher fired Huggs because he was cheating on her.

03-nerner
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