12-12-2006, 02:55 PM
I agree Jimbo Fisher would probably be a better candidate but should this guy be getting more attention?
http://www.roarlions.com/Lion_Sports/Foo...dspeth.htm
http://www.roarlions.com/Lion_Sports/Foo...dspeth.htm
12-12-2006, 02:55 PM
12-12-2006, 02:59 PM
no
12-12-2006, 03:04 PM
We should check into the availability of Shula.
Don Shula that is.
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Don Shula that is.
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12-12-2006, 03:04 PM
Flying Mouse Wrote:no
+1
UAB fans are looking for a NATIONAL hire...not someone from down the street...haven't we gone through this with Probst? Why must we rehash this?
12-12-2006, 04:45 PM
Flying Mouse Wrote:no
Why do you say "no"? Everyone here wants a 'Proven Winner". Well, if you look at his record it's evident that he has won at every level he has coached.
This is the kind of candidate that should be high on the list instead of shelling out a ton of money for a Jimbo Fisher that has no head coaching experience and therefore cannot be considered a "proven winner".
12-12-2006, 06:02 PM
Probst and Hudspeth are definitely successful, but they wouldn't be head coaching hires that I think would be the best choices to advance UAB football. As far as being assistants, I say bring 'em on.
Jimbo Fisher has no head coaching experience, but candidates like him actually have worked successfully at those higher levels that UAB hopes to achieve. Those are precisely the people UAB should be talking to.
If UAB's going to gamble, it needs to take good gambles.
Jimbo Fisher has no head coaching experience, but candidates like him actually have worked successfully at those higher levels that UAB hopes to achieve. Those are precisely the people UAB should be talking to.
If UAB's going to gamble, it needs to take good gambles.
12-12-2006, 06:20 PM
RONBLAZE Wrote:Flying Mouse Wrote:no
Why do you say "no"? Everyone here wants a 'Proven Winner". Well, if you look at his record it's evident that he has won at every level he has coached.
This is the kind of candidate that should be high on the list instead of shelling out a ton of money for a Jimbo Fisher that has no head coaching experience and therefore cannot be considered a "proven winner".
Jimbo Fisher has won conference titles as an assistant under THREE head coaches. Plus one national title. That is proven winner.
12-12-2006, 07:25 PM
Jim Tressel wasn't a sexy hire at Ohio State.... I think they are ok with it now.
12-12-2006, 07:26 PM
KillAllo Wrote:Jim Tressel wasn't a sexy hire at Ohio State.... I think they are ok with it now.
UAB isn't Ohio State. Ohio State is going to get top recruits regardless of who their coach is, UAB could use the impact of a name coaching hire on recruiting.
12-12-2006, 07:31 PM
My point is a big sexy name is great for the first week, but how about a guy who knows how to coach. I know there haven't been too many of those around here lately.
12-12-2006, 07:34 PM
KillAllo Wrote:My point is a big sexy name is great for the first week, but how about a guy who knows how to coach. I know there haven't been too many of those around here lately.
I understand you're point, but who's to say Hudspeth is the better coach?
I agree with you about looking at more than just the name and the media impact. The goal should be to win games, not the media battle or the press conference.
That said, you make it sound like Jimbo Fisher, Bo Pelini, and the like can't coach, and that's far from the truth.
12-12-2006, 07:34 PM
This should not even be a conversation.
UAB will make a statement with this hire that will be heard far beyond the borders of Birmingham.
That statement will either be that UAB is serious about being a big-time player in football. Or that UAB does things on the cheap. It doesn't matter if the cheap option wins as many games as the expensive option.
UAB has to hit a home run or be perceived as 1) under the thumb of the BOT; 2) not committed to football. Going cheap will mean UAB will be in a slow-build mode for fan support, facilities upgrades, etc.
UAB cannot afford to go anywhere less than the biggest name it can get past the BOT.
Period. End of discussion.
UAB will make a statement with this hire that will be heard far beyond the borders of Birmingham.
That statement will either be that UAB is serious about being a big-time player in football. Or that UAB does things on the cheap. It doesn't matter if the cheap option wins as many games as the expensive option.
UAB has to hit a home run or be perceived as 1) under the thumb of the BOT; 2) not committed to football. Going cheap will mean UAB will be in a slow-build mode for fan support, facilities upgrades, etc.
UAB cannot afford to go anywhere less than the biggest name it can get past the BOT.
Period. End of discussion.
12-12-2006, 07:41 PM
Despite the Flying Mouse's effort to kill the thread, I go on. I agree Jimbo is probably a better candidate, I said that at the top. I just see and hear all these big names some of which are nothing more than names. UAB can make a big sexy hire and land a coach that knows what he's doing and gets people excited. But if it isn't Jimbo or Neuhiesel or Cutcliffe, don't go jumpin of a bridge just yet.
12-12-2006, 07:43 PM
KillAllo Wrote:Despite the Flying Mouse's effort to kill the thread, I go on. I agree Jimbo is probably a better candidate, I said that at the top. I just see and hear all these big names some of which are nothing more than names. UAB can make a big sexy hire and land a coach that knows what he's doing and gets people excited. But if it isn't Jimbo or Neuhiesel or Cutcliffe, don't go jumpin of a bridge just yet.
I think the ones that are nothing more than a name aren't really candidates.
12-12-2006, 10:35 PM
KillAllo Wrote:Jim Tressel wasn't a sexy hire at Ohio State.... I think they are ok with it now.
Hypothetical question: what if Tressel got the job at Ohio instead of Ohio State? Would he be as successful a coach?
What I'm trying to get at is the subconscious fear that UAB fans are carrying with them; the same fear that we had when Murry Bartow was axed. Any coach would be an improvement over Murry, but what if it's just the program that's the problem? What if our program is no longer capable of success?
Mike Anderson came in and quickly relieved our fears. He implemented a system that had won a national championship in Division I and elevated our program back to a respectable level. He was also able to sell his system to recruits when the school and program weren't enough to win over a higher level player. He was an assistant, but he knew what it took to win at this level.
We need a coach that can do the same for the football program. We need a coach that has thrived in Division I-A, that has won championships at the highest level, and knows what steps to take to get us there....
someone that can sell his prior success and system to recruits that won't consider UAB because of its unsuccessful football history.
That's why Hudspeth and Propst are not the coaches this UAB program needs. That's why we need a Jimbo Fisher-type coach; someone who knows what it takes to be a champion in Division I A.
12-12-2006, 11:01 PM
Schard Wrote:KillAllo Wrote:Jim Tressel wasn't a sexy hire at Ohio State.... I think they are ok with it now.
Hypothetical question: what if Tressel got the job at Ohio instead of Ohio State? Would he be as successful a coach?
What I'm trying to get at is the subconscious fear that UAB fans are carrying with them; the same fear that we had when Murry Bartow was axed. Any coach would be an improvement over Murry, but what if it's just the program that's the problem? What if our program is no longer capable of success?
Mike Anderson came in and quickly relieved our fears. He implemented a system that had won a national championship at the Division I level and elevated our program back to a respectable level. He was also able to sell his system to recruits when the school and program weren't enough to win over a higher level player. He was anassistant, yes, but he knew what it took to win at this level...
We need a coach that can do the same for the football program. We need a coach that has thrived in Division I-A, that has won championships at the highest level, and knows what steps to take to get us there....
someone that can sell his prior success and system to recruits that won't consider UAB because of its unsuccessful football history.
That's why Hudspeth and Propst are not the coaches this UAB program needs. That's why we need a Jimbo Fisher-type coach; someone who knows what it takes to be a champion in Division I A.
Well said young chap!!!
12-13-2006, 11:13 AM
If UAB were going to look at DII coaches, this is where they should start. BTW, he and his team will be in Florence this Sat.
Chuck Martin
Last College:
Millikin University ('90)
Position:
Head Coach
Experience:
3rd year
Record:
23-3
Grand Valley State head coach Chuck Martin is set to embark on his third year as the leader of the winningest DII football program in the country. All Martin did his first two years was lead the Lakers to 23 wins, a DII National Championship, a 13-game winning streak and a GLIAC title. The National Championship, the Lakers' 13-game winning streak and the GLIAC title all came in the 2005 campaign. Chuck was named the American Football Coaches Association DII Coach of the Year for his efforts during the 2005 season. Martin, who was an assistant coach for three years prior to becoming the sixth head coach in Laker football history, was named to the head coaching post on December 31, 2003 by GVSU Director of Athletics Tim Selgo. GVSU is 23-3 with Martin as the head coach and 71-9 with him on the coaching staff since 2000.
Martin guided GVSU to its second perfect record for an entire season and its fourth perfect regular in his second season at the helm. Grand Valley State ranked among the top 25 in nine different team statistical categories, including five among the nations top seven. 11 of GVSU's 13 opponents were held to 17 points or less and seven scored 10 points or fewer. The Lakers held their opponents off the scoreboard in 25 of 52 quarters during the season. Conversely, the Laker offense broke the 30-point mark eight times and outscored their opponents 434-159. GVSU scored points in 44 of 52 quarters played during the season. 18 Lakers earned All-GLIAC plaudits, including nine that earned All-GLIAC First-Team honors. Eight 2005 squad members also earned all-america plaudits, including two (Mike McFadden and Josh Bourke) that were consensus all-americans.
GVSU opened the 2005 season with an impressive 30-10 win over West Michigan rival Ferris State before a GVSU single-game record crowd of 14,557. GVSU moved into the number one spot in the AFCA coaches poll following a 14-10 comeback win over Ashland in week four. The victory over the Eagles sparked a momentum change and the Lakers rolled through the rest of regular season. GVSU claimed a 31-10 victory over #4 Saginaw Valley State in week seven and a 30-14 win over #5 Northwood in week eight. Martin guided the Lakers to four more impressive wins over ranked opponents in the playoffs, including a 21-17 victory over Northwest Missouri State in the title game.
In addition to his 23-3 overall mark, Martin is 6-1 in NCAA DII playoff action. In just two years, 30 players have earned All-GLIAC honors and 11 have received all-america plaudits.
Martin guided Grand Valley State to a 10-3 mark and a berth in the NCAA DII playoff in his first season at the helm. The 10 wins posted by GVSU under Martin were the most for any first-year head coach in the history of Laker football.
Martin's first head coaching victory came in the season opener against GLIAC and West Michigan rival Ferris State by a 24-6 score. GVSU followed with five more victories and continued to hold onto the top ranking in the AFCA poll. Following a pair of setbacks to nationally-ranked teams, the Lakers concluded the regular season with a pair of wins, including a 24-7 victory over fourth-ranked Michigan Tech in front of over 50,000 at Michigan Stadium.
Grand Valley State advanced to the NCAA DII Playoffs for the fourth straight year and claimed a 16-13 comeback win at 8th-ranked Winona State in first-round action. GVSU followed with a 10-7 victory over Northwood in a second-round contest. The win over the Timberwolves avenged a Laker loss to NU earlier in the season and advanced GVSU to the NCAA DII Quarterfinals for the fourth straight year. GVSU dropped its quarterfinal matchup at North Dakota by a 19-15 score. The Lakers, who finished the 2004 season ranked ninth in the country, placed 12 members on the All-GLIAC squad.
Prior to being named head coach, Martin was an assistant coach at GVSU for four years. Chuck was the defensive coordinator in the Lakers' 2003 National Championship season. Grand Valley State rode its defense to the 2003 NCAA DII Football National Championship, holding its final three opponents in the playoffs to just three field goals. Grand Valley State ranked in the top 10 nationally in four defensive categories in 2003, including a national-best, rushing defense that yielded just 64.9 yards per game. In addition, GVSU led the nation in turnovers forced (43) and total turnover margin (+21). Grand Valley State ranked third in scoring defense (13.3 ppg) and 19th in pass efficiency defense (100.3). The Lakers ranked first in the GLIAC in four defensive categories and second in two.
Martin was a key figure in the progression of the GVSU defense during his time as an assistant. Under his leadership, the defensive backfield earned 10 All-GLIAC honors in four years, including safety Scott Mackey being named the GLIAC Defensive Back of the Year and a First-Team All-American in 2002 and 2003. The Laker defensive backfield picked off 84 passes the four years prior to him becoming head coach, including a GVSU single-season record 26 in both 2001 and 2003. Grand Valley State returned 14 interceptions for touchdowns.
The 37-year-old Martin began his coaching career at Mankato State in 1992 while finishing his master's degree. After a one-year stint with the Mavericks, Martin moved on to Wittenberg University in Springfield, Ohio. At Wittenberg, Martin coached the linebackers in football and served as the head golf coach and assistant baseball coach for two years. Chuck moved on to become the defensive coordinator/defensive backs coach at his alma mater, Millikin University, for two years before taking over the linebackers at Eastern Michigan in 1998. Martin coached the linebackers at EMU for two years prior to his arrival at GVSU
Martin was a standout athlete at Millikin University, earning All-American honors as a free safety, as well as GTE Academic All-American plaudits. In addition, Martin was an all-conference place-kicker. Chuck was also a standout on the hardwood for Millikin, earning academic all-district honors. Martin graduated from Millikin in 1990 with a degree in accounting.
Chuck is a native of Park Forest, Illinois, and graduated from Rich East High School in 1986. Martin and his wife, Dulcie, have a six-year son (Max) and a two-year old daughter (Emma).
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Chuck Martin
Last College:
Millikin University ('90)
Position:
Head Coach
Experience:
3rd year
Record:
23-3
Grand Valley State head coach Chuck Martin is set to embark on his third year as the leader of the winningest DII football program in the country. All Martin did his first two years was lead the Lakers to 23 wins, a DII National Championship, a 13-game winning streak and a GLIAC title. The National Championship, the Lakers' 13-game winning streak and the GLIAC title all came in the 2005 campaign. Chuck was named the American Football Coaches Association DII Coach of the Year for his efforts during the 2005 season. Martin, who was an assistant coach for three years prior to becoming the sixth head coach in Laker football history, was named to the head coaching post on December 31, 2003 by GVSU Director of Athletics Tim Selgo. GVSU is 23-3 with Martin as the head coach and 71-9 with him on the coaching staff since 2000.
Martin guided GVSU to its second perfect record for an entire season and its fourth perfect regular in his second season at the helm. Grand Valley State ranked among the top 25 in nine different team statistical categories, including five among the nations top seven. 11 of GVSU's 13 opponents were held to 17 points or less and seven scored 10 points or fewer. The Lakers held their opponents off the scoreboard in 25 of 52 quarters during the season. Conversely, the Laker offense broke the 30-point mark eight times and outscored their opponents 434-159. GVSU scored points in 44 of 52 quarters played during the season. 18 Lakers earned All-GLIAC plaudits, including nine that earned All-GLIAC First-Team honors. Eight 2005 squad members also earned all-america plaudits, including two (Mike McFadden and Josh Bourke) that were consensus all-americans.
GVSU opened the 2005 season with an impressive 30-10 win over West Michigan rival Ferris State before a GVSU single-game record crowd of 14,557. GVSU moved into the number one spot in the AFCA coaches poll following a 14-10 comeback win over Ashland in week four. The victory over the Eagles sparked a momentum change and the Lakers rolled through the rest of regular season. GVSU claimed a 31-10 victory over #4 Saginaw Valley State in week seven and a 30-14 win over #5 Northwood in week eight. Martin guided the Lakers to four more impressive wins over ranked opponents in the playoffs, including a 21-17 victory over Northwest Missouri State in the title game.
In addition to his 23-3 overall mark, Martin is 6-1 in NCAA DII playoff action. In just two years, 30 players have earned All-GLIAC honors and 11 have received all-america plaudits.
Martin guided Grand Valley State to a 10-3 mark and a berth in the NCAA DII playoff in his first season at the helm. The 10 wins posted by GVSU under Martin were the most for any first-year head coach in the history of Laker football.
Martin's first head coaching victory came in the season opener against GLIAC and West Michigan rival Ferris State by a 24-6 score. GVSU followed with five more victories and continued to hold onto the top ranking in the AFCA poll. Following a pair of setbacks to nationally-ranked teams, the Lakers concluded the regular season with a pair of wins, including a 24-7 victory over fourth-ranked Michigan Tech in front of over 50,000 at Michigan Stadium.
Grand Valley State advanced to the NCAA DII Playoffs for the fourth straight year and claimed a 16-13 comeback win at 8th-ranked Winona State in first-round action. GVSU followed with a 10-7 victory over Northwood in a second-round contest. The win over the Timberwolves avenged a Laker loss to NU earlier in the season and advanced GVSU to the NCAA DII Quarterfinals for the fourth straight year. GVSU dropped its quarterfinal matchup at North Dakota by a 19-15 score. The Lakers, who finished the 2004 season ranked ninth in the country, placed 12 members on the All-GLIAC squad.
Prior to being named head coach, Martin was an assistant coach at GVSU for four years. Chuck was the defensive coordinator in the Lakers' 2003 National Championship season. Grand Valley State rode its defense to the 2003 NCAA DII Football National Championship, holding its final three opponents in the playoffs to just three field goals. Grand Valley State ranked in the top 10 nationally in four defensive categories in 2003, including a national-best, rushing defense that yielded just 64.9 yards per game. In addition, GVSU led the nation in turnovers forced (43) and total turnover margin (+21). Grand Valley State ranked third in scoring defense (13.3 ppg) and 19th in pass efficiency defense (100.3). The Lakers ranked first in the GLIAC in four defensive categories and second in two.
Martin was a key figure in the progression of the GVSU defense during his time as an assistant. Under his leadership, the defensive backfield earned 10 All-GLIAC honors in four years, including safety Scott Mackey being named the GLIAC Defensive Back of the Year and a First-Team All-American in 2002 and 2003. The Laker defensive backfield picked off 84 passes the four years prior to him becoming head coach, including a GVSU single-season record 26 in both 2001 and 2003. Grand Valley State returned 14 interceptions for touchdowns.
The 37-year-old Martin began his coaching career at Mankato State in 1992 while finishing his master's degree. After a one-year stint with the Mavericks, Martin moved on to Wittenberg University in Springfield, Ohio. At Wittenberg, Martin coached the linebackers in football and served as the head golf coach and assistant baseball coach for two years. Chuck moved on to become the defensive coordinator/defensive backs coach at his alma mater, Millikin University, for two years before taking over the linebackers at Eastern Michigan in 1998. Martin coached the linebackers at EMU for two years prior to his arrival at GVSU
Martin was a standout athlete at Millikin University, earning All-American honors as a free safety, as well as GTE Academic All-American plaudits. In addition, Martin was an all-conference place-kicker. Chuck was also a standout on the hardwood for Millikin, earning academic all-district honors. Martin graduated from Millikin in 1990 with a degree in accounting.
Chuck is a native of Park Forest, Illinois, and graduated from Rich East High School in 1986. Martin and his wife, Dulcie, have a six-year son (Max) and a two-year old daughter (Emma).
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