Big Ten Refs or....
Big Ten Teams?
WI and tO$U have chances to redeem the league, but those shellackings administered to scUM and MsU leave a tarnished image, at best.
(01-01-2011 04:52 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote: [ -> ]Big Ten Refs or....
Big Ten Teams?
WI and tO$U have chances to redeem the league, but those shellackings administered to scUM and MsU leave a tarnished image, at best.
Well deserved shellackings.
Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
(01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
I think it helps further shove the foot in the mouths of Ohio $tate president Gordon Gee and Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany. Delany even complained about Michigan State being left out of the BC$. Yeah. 49-7 sucka'! No complaints from 'Bama! They just jack-slapped your co-champion!
(01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
Speaking of
wash, thanks for throwing cold water on the situation.
Yes, I agree with what you have to say, but none of us can change the results of the games we're watching. So at least allow us to gloat sophomorically at the Big Ten bandwagon media & fans who for the most part look at the MAC in disdain.
To each their own. I think the power and arrogance of the SEC is much worse than the Big 10.
(01-01-2011 05:51 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]To each their own. I think the power and arrogance of the SEC is much worse than the Big 10.
Yes, but when you mention the MAC to most SEC fans, they more liable to think about hamburgers and fries rather than a lesser conference in college athletics.
(01-01-2011 05:50 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
Speaking of wash, thanks for throwing cold water on the situation.
Yes, I agree with what you have to say, but none of us can change the results of the games we're watching. So at least allow us to gloat sophomorically at the Big Ten bandwagon media & fans who for the most part look at the MAC in disdain.
So how does that help your argument if the Big Ten sucks? That's the same Big Ten that destroys MAC teams every year.
(01-01-2011 05:51 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]To each their own. I think the power and arrogance of the SEC is much worse than the Big 10.
But we (the general "we") didn't grow up in the South and/or don't live in the South, so whatever arrogance is going on down there from the SEC doesn't impact our lives.
For me, and I'm sure for others as well, five Big Ten losses in the day - one of which by a Little Sisters of the Poor team against a team that faces "murderer's row" week in and week out - calls for some schadenfreude.
Never mind those who simply jump on the bandwagons of "winners" regardless of where they went to school. But lest we forget, a
large percentage of our own MAC schools' students and alumni flat out reject their alma mater in order to suck on the nipple of their local Big Ten darling and, by extension, the conference as a whole.
So watching the conference flail around brings some fun, especially after Delany's comments, Gee's comments, Dantonio's pouting, and so on. When
these lame billboards sprout up across the Detroit area, it warms my heart that both MSU and Wisconsin lost today. When we have to listen to Walmart Wolverines thump their chest for years, some of which graduated from MAC schools and couldn't find Ann Arbor on a map, then Viva Mississippi State.
(01-01-2011 05:57 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ]...how does that help your argument if the Big Ten sucks? That's the same Big Ten that destroys MAC teams every year.
Week 4 2010 Season
NIU 34
Sota 23
Toledo 31
Piurdue 20
10-15 years ago, these would of been major upsets. Today, we shrug it off stating these wins were against really bad Big 10 teams.
(01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
True enough.
Demographics are destiny. Anyone notice how the bowl games matched up w/ census trends?
(01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
I wish both conferences could've lost, but that would've been impossible. Yesterday, the $EC was the lesser of two evils. At least Mike Slive kept his mouth shut while Delany was running his at the last commissioners meeting. Also, no president in the $EC chided the non-AQ's like Gordon Gee of Ohio $tate. The $EC is arrogant, but at least they don't treat their non-AQ opponents like subhumans.
(01-02-2011 08:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
True enough.
Demographics are destiny. Anyone notice how the bowl games matched up w/ census trends?
I've been thinking about the weakness of the Big Ten, Big East and MAC and the growing strength of the sun belt (lower case) teams, e.g., SEC, Pac-10, B12, etc.
It seems more and more of the prime football talent is located in the backyard of the teams/conferences located south of the Mason-Dixon line (e.g., Florida, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, California, etc).
Folks who understand football recruiting realize that the midwest isn't what it used to be.
(01-02-2011 10:53 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2011 08:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
True enough.
Demographics are destiny. Anyone notice how the bowl games matched up w/ census trends?
I've been thinking about the weakness of the Big Ten, Big East and MAC and the growing strength of the sun belt (lower case) teams, e.g., SEC, Pac-10, B12, etc.
It seems more and more of the prime football talent is located in the backyard of the teams/conferences located south of the Mason-Dixon line (e.g., Florida, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, California, etc).
Folks who understand football recruiting realize that the midwest isn't what it used to be.
+1
Ohio has -7- D1 football teams. 15years ago FLA had -3- and now they have -7-. There is NO population growth in the upper MW and younger people are moving to the South for jobs and will have/raise their kids there.
(01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
Exactly. You are spot on.
(01-02-2011 10:53 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2011 08:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
True enough.
Demographics are destiny. Anyone notice how the bowl games matched up w/ census trends?
I've been thinking about the weakness of the Big Ten, Big East and MAC and the growing strength of the sun belt (lower case) teams, e.g., SEC, Pac-10, B12, etc.
It seems more and more of the prime football talent is located in the backyard of the teams/conferences located south of the Mason-Dixon line (e.g., Florida, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, California, etc).
Folks who understand football recruiting realize that the midwest isn't what it used to be.
We are losing our working class, blue collar core. For the last 20 years our kids have been making 'Play Dates' and playing organized soccer.
(01-02-2011 05:05 PM)nert Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
Exactly. You are spot on.
True, this has nothing to do with the MAC or the non-AQs in general.
The satisfaction is knowing that your Kent State and CMU alumni brethren who diss their own alma maters in favor of jumping on the Ohio State and Michigan bandwagons, respectively, are weeping for their "adopted" conference.
Couple that with recent comments made by Gorden Gee and Jim Delany, as well as the pompous-sounding Legends and Leaders division names, and one can't help but smirk when the Big Ten gets a black eye on New Years Day.
(OT)
Quote:We are losing our working class, blue collar core.
Actually, the problem is that we haven't been losing it fast enough.
The key to a Midwest rebirth (and for Michigan in particular) is to diversify industry and get out of the old one-trick-pony factory n' manufacturing mindset.
(01-02-2011 10:53 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2011 08:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2011 05:32 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, nothing like the satisfaction of one major conference beating another. The non-AQ's gain what from this?
From my view, it's a wash, except it points out the weakness of midwest football that the MAC has also been working on this bowl season. It might be better for the MAC if the Big 10 were better, relatively speaking, though it probably doesn't matter much to MAC teams either way. Think the Sun Belt and CUSA were rooting for the SEC, too?
True enough.
Demographics are destiny. Anyone notice how the bowl games matched up w/ census trends?
I've been thinking about the weakness of the Big Ten, Big East and MAC and the growing strength of the sun belt (lower case) teams, e.g., SEC, Pac-10, B12, etc.
It seems more and more of the prime football talent is located in the backyard of the teams/conferences located south of the Mason-Dixon line (e.g., Florida, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, California, etc).
Folks who understand football recruiting realize that the midwest isn't what it used to be.
The Big East & P0 so far are the only BCS conferences with a winning bowl record. They (BE) don't have great teams but they beat their opponents
Big East 3-2 with 1 to play
ACC 4-4 with 1 to play
Big 12 3-4 with 1 to play
CUSA 2-4
Indies 2-1
MAC 1-2 with 1 to play
MWC 4-1
PAC 10 2-1 with 1 to play
SEC 3-3 with 4 to play
Sun Belt 2-0 with 1 to play
WAC 1-2 with 1 to play
(01-02-2011 07:04 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ](OT)
Quote:We are losing our working class, blue collar core.
Actually, the problem is that we haven't been losing it fast enough.
The key to a Midwest rebirth (and for Michigan in particular) is to diversify industry and get out of the old one-trick-pony factory n' manufacturing mindset.
Trade policies favoring American Manufacturing and penalizing multinationals that offshore jobs would help alot also.