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Murry gets a lot of grief on here. As the leader he has been the target of upset Buc people who can get a little testy when the team doesn't perform up to expectations.

For whatever reason, Murry has changed to a shadow like man to man defense that smothers the opposing team. He had also reduced the rotation of players coming in and out of games. Last night only these guys got much playing time...Williams, Sollazzo, Smith, Tubbs, Brown, Ward and Cooley. Only six bench points by my count. Last season many thought only if the Bucs had help in the post...we would be really dangerous...so the coaches bring in Wilkenson and Johnson and so far they have not had a big time impact.

When the conquest of Campbell was evident, it would have been nice to see De'Shaud, Josh Johnson and Jarvis Jones get a little playing time. I would like them to be more than an enigma.

Bottom line... Murry pushed the right button's last night. I never feared that the Bucs were in trouble...even when Campbell started 6-0.

Way to go coach...that kind of game is fun. Let's win the rest of 'em. Wouldn't that upset Mr. "sweater vest" Bryd?
Calm down Cochise....you just beat Campbell. The zone will return this season. I garuantee it. We've all seen this before.
Talk about turning on a dime. Using a 7 man rotation with 4 guys getting 33+ minutes is not a good thing. No I don't want to see the walkon's get more playing time unless it is a blowout, I want them on the bench waving towels happy to be on the team. I don't want to pull the redshirt off Jones because Bartow uses a short bench and it would just be a waste.

Wow Gene's baby boy is starting to look like a genius as the level of competition goes down, who could have ever predicted that?
(12-31-2010 09:30 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about turning on a dime. Using a 7 man rotation with 4 guys getting 33+ minutes is not a good thing. No I don't want to see the walkon's get more playing time unless it is a blowout, I want them on the bench waving towels happy to be on the team. I don't want to pull the redshirt off Jones because Bartow uses a short bench and it would just be a waste.

Wow Gene's baby boy is starting to look like a genius as the level of competition goes down, who could have ever predicted that?

We will never know how ETSU would have fared if they played man in the out of conference schedule. I would like to think ETSU could have gotten Murray with man to man. Northeastern and Southern Mississippi could have also been victims.

The walk-ons should never play unless the game is in hand.

The ASun is a great place to pad your record and keep your job. That's the story of Murry otherwise he would have already met the same fate of his UAB time...pink-slip city.
(12-31-2010 09:16 AM)Mister Jennings Wrote: [ -> ]When the conquest of Campbell was evident, it would have been nice to see De'Shaud, Josh Johnson and Jarvis Jones get a little playing time. I would like them to be more than an enigma.

While I understand your point, I don't think De'Shaud Johnson dressed for the game last night and isn't Jarvis Jones redshirting this year?
It is a no-brainer that we are a better team man to man than zone. Everyone has known that for the past five or six years that this has been an issue. But do not over-estimate the team as a team. We just beat campbell. In this victory against campbell it appeared as if we had a point guard. But I would remind you that Adam has looked good against Campbell before.
One thing I don't fault Murry for is the short rotation. Thad Matta uses it at Ohio State, Rick Pitino does as well with almost all of his teams. Three years ago, when Matta's Ohio State team made it to the National Championship game, he basically played 6 players. There's an argument to be made for that style.

However, the Man vs. Zone debate is another story. And you're right, we've seen this before.
(12-31-2010 10:24 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote: [ -> ]One thing I don't fault Murry for is the short rotation. Thad Matta uses it at Ohio State, Rick Pitino does as well with almost all of his teams. Three years ago, when Matta's Ohio State team made it to the National Championship game, he basically played 6 players. There's an argument to be made for that style.

However, the Man vs. Zone debate is another story. And you're right, we've seen this before.

Actually Murry has always seemed to do better, at etsu, with a short rotation. When he has been absolutely loaded in depth he has always blown it. No two seasons illustrate this more perfectly than our first year in the A-sun vs Pigram's senior year.
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Actually Murry has always seemed to do better, at etsu, with a short rotation. When he has been absolutely loaded in depth he has always blown it. No two seasons illustrate this more perfectly than our first year in the A-sun vs Pigram's senior year.
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Yup. I get the feeling a lot of coaches feel the same way.
Decent win but let's not lose our heads.
[quote='Goldfinger' pid='6072719' dateline='1293805500']
Calm down Cochise....

I'm not an Indian and your not Mel Gibson.
(12-31-2010 03:20 PM)Mister Jennings Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Goldfinger' pid='6072719' dateline='1293805500']
Calm down Cochise....

I'm not an Indian and your not Mel Gibson.

You are correct, sir. I am certainly NOT mel gibson
For me, the issue is not whether a short bench or deep bench is better (different coaches have been successful using both); whether man or zone is more effective (e.g., Boeheim loves zone); or whether Isiah should start at the '4' versus '5' (incidentally, I think he should start at the '4'). My issue is that I've lost confidence in what Bartow says versus what he does. Most recently, this was highlighted by Mike Smith sounding incredulous in the newspaper about playing zone. Bartow has said repeatedly that (I'm paraphrasing) "We are not a good man-to-man team....we have to play to our personnel's strength..." He has used this line since the beginning of this tenure. Further, all year long (even back to last year's recruiting period) he, correctly, emphasized the need to play Isiah at the 4 (he said the same thing about Andrew Reed), and where's Isiah playing this year?? It's no wonder Adam, Micah, Justin et al. are up and down with their production. Bartow capricious coaching and reactive strategy would make anyone inconsistent in their play. Anyone ever had a boss who you didn't know what to expect or where the hell they were coming from? The nail in the proverbial coffin for me is his inability to take responsibility. His "yes, but..." responses don't cut it.

Our last two wins were solid wins and I really liked what I saw. I'm cautiously optimistic about Adam's performance (and this is not a pejorative remark about Adam) and our defense was outstanding. I agree with other posters that we shouldn't overstate these wins, but I also think they're something to build upon. My feeling right now is that we can win in spite of him.

We have good players and always have under him. He deserves credit for his ability to recruit. I also give him credit for graduating players and handling discipline issues (for the most part) swiftly and fairly. Right now, however, I'm having difficulty closing the gap between his words and his actions.
(12-31-2010 09:50 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote: [ -> ]For me, the issue is not whether a short bench or deep bench is better (different coaches have been successful using both); whether man or zone is more effective (e.g., Boeheim loves zone); or whether Isiah should start at the '4' versus '5' (incidentally, I think he should start at the '4'). My issue is that I've lost confidence in what Bartow says versus what he does. Most recently, this was highlighted by Mike Smith sounding incredulous in the newspaper about playing zone. Bartow has said repeatedly that (I'm paraphrasing) "We are not a good man-to-man team....we have to play to our personnel's strength..." He has used this line since the beginning of this tenure. Further, all year long (even back to last year's recruiting period) he, correctly, emphasized the need to play Isiah at the 4 (he said the same thing about Andrew Reed), and where's Isiah playing this year?? It's no wonder Adam, Micah, Justin et al. are up and down with their production. Bartow capricious coaching and reactive strategy would make anyone inconsistent in their play. Anyone ever had a boss who you didn't know what to expect or where the hell they were coming from? The nail in the proverbial coffin for me is his inability to take responsibility. His "yes, but..." responses don't cut it.

Our last two wins were solid wins and I really liked what I saw. I'm cautiously optimistic about Adam's performance (and this is not a pejorative remark about Adam) and our defense was outstanding. I agree with other posters that we shouldn't overstate these wins, but I also think they're something to build upon. My feeling right now is that we can win in spite of him.

We have good players and always have under him. He deserves credit for his ability to recruit. I also give him credit for graduating players and handling discipline issues (for the most part) swiftly and fairly. Right now, however, I'm having difficulty closing the gap between his words and his actions.

Very well put indeed.
(12-31-2010 09:50 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote: [ -> ]For me, the issue is not whether a short bench or deep bench is better (different coaches have been successful using both); whether man or zone is more effective (e.g., Boeheim loves zone); or whether Isiah should start at the '4' versus '5' (incidentally, I think he should start at the '4'). My issue is that I've lost confidence in what Bartow says versus what he does. Most recently, this was highlighted by Mike Smith sounding incredulous in the newspaper about playing zone. Bartow has said repeatedly that (I'm paraphrasing) "We are not a good man-to-man team....we have to play to our personnel's strength..." He has used this line since the beginning of this tenure. Further, all year long (even back to last year's recruiting period) he, correctly, emphasized the need to play Isiah at the 4 (he said the same thing about Andrew Reed), and where's Isiah playing this year?? It's no wonder Adam, Micah, Justin et al. are up and down with their production. Bartow capricious coaching and reactive strategy would make anyone inconsistent in their play. Anyone ever had a boss who you didn't know what to expect or where the hell they were coming from? The nail in the proverbial coffin for me is his inability to take responsibility. His "yes, but..." responses don't cut it.

Our last two wins were solid wins and I really liked what I saw. I'm cautiously optimistic about Adam's performance (and this is not a pejorative remark about Adam) and our defense was outstanding. I agree with other posters that we shouldn't overstate these wins, but I also think they're something to build upon. My feeling right now is that we can win in spite of him.

We have good players and always have under him. He deserves credit for his ability to recruit. I also give him credit for graduating players and handling discipline issues (for the most part) swiftly and fairly. Right now, however, I'm having difficulty closing the gap between his words and his actions.

Thoughtful, measured and spot on. Thanks for saying this. Coaching like this can only make Murry better! It seems at times he's a bit of a hard head...not listening to reason. I think he's changing. No wonder he stayed up all night pondering the use of man to man. Glad he made the move...and if zone is a better approach against certain opponents... hopefully he will change back. Bravo Faithful!
Did it make him better after pigrams senior season? We've been down this road before.
We will see. Maybe Murry is getting wiser, gaining wisdom, perhaps Coach Johnson has looked him in the eye...things are always different. I'm hopeful. I saw a master piece against Campbell.

A Tennessee fan was giving me grief about playing Campbell... It was easy to make him be quite. We beat the Camels...Tennessee lost to Oakland! Not another word was said by the Tennessee fan....I was able to shut one up, Thanks Oakland wherever you are.

Let me tell...its hard to defend ETSU considering the ASun.
(01-01-2011 12:18 AM)Mister Jennings Wrote: [ -> ]We will see. Maybe Murry is getting wiser, gaining wisdom, perhaps Coach Johnson has looked him in the eye...things are always different. I'm hopeful. I saw a master piece against Campbell.

Did your view of the "master piece" include the sight of Wilkerson or Anthony Johnson on the court? Of Poderis getting some minutes down the stretch? Yes, by bartow standards it was a very good game, but that does not negate his body of work - nor hardly even make a dent....

I'm with Goldfinger here; this zebra won't change his spots. We thought maybe he had last year with his big proclamation of "turning the defense over to Wagers". We've heard nada about that this year, and the results speak for themselves..............and loudly..............
(01-01-2011 01:09 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-01-2011 12:18 AM)Mister Jennings Wrote: [ -> ]We will see. Maybe Murry is getting wiser, gaining wisdom, perhaps Coach Johnson has looked him in the eye...things are always different. I'm hopeful. I saw a master piece against Campbell.

Did your view of the "master piece" include the sight of Wilkerson or Anthony Johnson on the court? Of Poderis getting some minutes down the stretch? Yes, by bartow standards it was a very good game, but that does not negate his body of work - nor hardly even make a dent....

I'm with Goldfinger here; this zebra won't change his spots. We thought maybe he had last year with his big proclamation of "turning the defense over to Wagers". We've heard nada about that this year, and the results speak for themselves..............and loudly..............

No one can argue with the facts. I was trying to convince myself and be optimistic. You had to bring me back to reality...now I'm depressed again. What can free me of this endless cycle?
Well, one could look at this situation in a Zen-like manner.
You know, the Buddhist concept of not desiring...

Or, since we're both Christians, maybe just try turning it over to God in prayer. Not far from my first idea above.
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