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Enough said.

Posed from phone....don't know how that damn smiley got on there

I would put it to you that many good teams have done this in the past. However, well coached, poised teams don't fall asleep at the wheel or play down to their opponents.

Whether he can recruit or not, the players Bartow gets, albiet very talented, lack focus and discipline. It could be the fault of either the players or coaching staff - it is probably a little of both, i.e. players not believing in a system or philosophy, never fully buying in, coaches never exerting themselves in imposing their style of play. . . etc in perpetuum.

But, your point stands, the Dukes, UNCs, Michigan States, and Belmonts of the world don't do this.

(12-05-2010 07:18 PM)Goldfinger Wrote: [ -> ]Posed from phone....don't know how that damn smiley got on there

(12-06-2010 05:30 PM)NOTEasternTSU Wrote: [ -> ]I would put it to you that many good teams have done this in the past. However, well coached, poised teams don't fall asleep at the wheel or play down to their opponents.

Whether he can recruit or not, the players Bartow gets, albiet very talented, lack focus and discipline. It could be the fault of either the players or coaching staff - it is probably a little of both, i.e. players not believing in a system or philosophy, never fully buying in, coaches never exerting themselves in imposing their style of play. . . etc in perpetuum.

But, your point stands, the Dukes, UNCs, Michigan States, and Belmonts of the world don't do this.

(12-05-2010 07:18 PM)Goldfinger Wrote: [ -> ]Posed from phone....don't know how that damn smiley got on there

whatever - to say that these teams never lose to inferior talent is to say they go nearly undefeated (1 or 2 losses) every year. They do win all they should once a decade but not every game they should based on talent..
generally etsu slips up on a few more talented teams every year and loses to a few they shouldn't - and wins more than they lose against reasonably equal talent/programs... last time i checked the reasonably equal all pay coaches about the same as murry and give scholarships to about the same kind of school as etsu.. so why is it not good enough to beat those guys most of the time. you compare yourself to the few teams on the schedule every year that are at a different level (major)... it will give you ulcers to not apppreciate the good program you have..

(12-06-2010 08:01 PM)gloryblaz Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2010 05:30 PM)NOTEasternTSU Wrote: [ -> ]I would put it to you that many good teams have done this in the past. However, well coached, poised teams don't fall asleep at the wheel or play down to their opponents.

Whether he can recruit or not, the players Bartow gets, albiet very talented, lack focus and discipline. It could be the fault of either the players or coaching staff - it is probably a little of both, i.e. players not believing in a system or philosophy, never fully buying in, coaches never exerting themselves in imposing their style of play. . . etc in perpetuum.

But, your point stands, the Dukes, UNCs, Michigan States, and Belmonts of the world don't do this.

(12-05-2010 07:18 PM)Goldfinger Wrote: [ -> ]Posed from phone....don't know how that damn smiley got on there

whatever - to say that these teams never lose to inferior talent is to say they go nearly undefeated (1 or 2 losses) every year. They do win all they should once a decade but not every game they should based on talent..
generally etsu slips up on a few more talented teams every year and loses to a few they shouldn't - and wins more than they lose against reasonably equal talent/programs... last time i checked the reasonably equal all pay coaches about the same as murry and give scholarships to about the same kind of school as etsu.. so why is it not good enough to beat those guys most of the time. you compare yourself to the few teams on the schedule every year that are at a different level (major)... it will give you ulcers to not apppreciate the good program you have..

We love our program just hate what Gene's baby boy is doing to it.

you make it so personal.. gene's baby boy? - i pointed out in the other thread, why the bullying? and what has he done to the program that the best teams in etsu history didn't do? 0-3 NCAA record - you speak of gene- he won in post season that (unfortunately) is what gets you exposure and accolades in a sport controlled by the big power schools... murry has been close and may make that sweet 16 run one of these years - maybe this year!!! i agree a 13-14 seed would be a much easier road but if you could be the 1st 16 to win that would make more of story than one win as a 13-14...

Actually calling him Gene's baby boy is about the nicest thing I could say about the man.
And the fact is, no matter how you want to spin or defend he owes everything to being Gene's
baby boy, he hasn't earned a single thing on his own.

what has he personally done to you, that you say that is "the nicest thing you could say about the man"? like he has some major character issue - ie. wronged you in some way, ethically is bad, immoral ---i just don't understand the venom? just because he may not think he has the horses to play man instead of zone - or perhaps he has learned though his years that zone is acutally more effective than man?? i don't know why he chooses zone but i do know that at uab he was man to man all the way and detested zones... i am sure he has made a logical choice and is a student of the game and has his reasons... may be purely a percentage thing?? i just don't understand the personal attack??

Maybe I am one those "fricken fans" with the short memory that Bartow threw his tantrum about last year when people decided they had enough watching Bemont beat our brains out yet again because Bartow had to play zone and left early.
I don't know the man don't want to know the man, have no interest in ever meeting the man trying to get to know him.
I just know him as the clueless yo-yo on the sideline who is dancing to the toon Stanton and Mullins are fiddling while
ETSU athletics are burning all around us.

oh well, btw being the tallest midget beats not being the tallest...

(12-06-2010 09:53 PM)gloryblaz Wrote: [ -> ]oh well, btw being the tallest midget beats not being the tallest...

TADA!!! Lady's and gentleman let me present to you the ETSU doctrine as laid down by Stanton, Mullins and Bartow.

Thanks glory, I couldn't have summed it up better myself.

Actually I guess the old saying Big fish in a small pond applies to the problem is the longer ETSU spends in the pond
the more they shrink.

so you think it was bartow who removed football from etsu and you blame him for that - and that is what removed the bucs from the huge lake of the socon.... 1 bid league also.. like i said if asun are midgets then socon are dwarfs what difference does it make???

(12-06-2010 10:13 PM)gloryblaz Wrote: [ -> ]so you think it was bartow who removed football from etsu and you blame him for that - and that is what removed the bucs from the huge lake of the socon.... 1 bid league also.. like i said if asun are midgets then socon are dwarfs what difference does it make???

Somebody sent this guy the offical ETSU playbook of spin doctoring.

When ETSU dropped football we were told it was to move to a better
conference. Check the RPI.. A-Sun is no where near the SoCon let alone better in anyway shape or form. We were lied to plain and simple. That is by no means the only one when it came to football and other stuff but it does address what you brought up.

(12-06-2010 09:09 PM)gloryblaz Wrote: [ -> ]you make it so personal.. gene's baby boy? - i pointed out in the other thread, why the bullying? and what has he done to the program that the best teams in etsu history didn't do? 0-3 NCAA record - you speak of gene- he won in post season that (unfortunately) is what gets you exposure and accolades in a sport controlled by the big power schools... murry has been close and may make that sweet 16 run one of these years - maybe this year!!! i agree a 13-14 seed would be a much easier road but if you could be the 1st 16 to win that would make more of story than one win as a 13-14...

The best teams in ETSU history didn't lose 4 and 5 conference games a season. See there's this little thing called regression, its happened a lot under MuBar. See the first team MuBar was delivered(03/04) lost ONE conference game(in a MUCH tougher conference). The best team he put together(06/07) lost TWO conference games. His next best team (08/09) lost SIX conference games. By most accounts the current teams is the most talented and deepest we've had since MuBar's first year and we're already one in the hole, and against a god awful USC Upstate team to boot.

It seems likely that the regression trend line will continue, don't get me started on NCAA tournament seeds.

The A-Sun is the kiddy league where brand new Div I schools come to grow and move on. ETSU went backwards.
The A-Sun currently has 11 teams. The Top 8 get to play in the tournament. But wait.. The A-Sun couldn't field a full
tournament last year because 4 teams were still on probation because they hadn't been Div I the required number of years
to play in the post season. Couldn't field 8 teams out of 11.. think about that.

(12-06-2010 10:18 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2010 10:13 PM)gloryblaz Wrote: [ -> ]so you think it was bartow who removed football from etsu and you blame him for that - and that is what removed the bucs from the huge lake of the socon.... 1 bid league also.. like i said if asun are midgets then socon are dwarfs what difference does it make???

Somebody sent this guy the offical ETSU playbook of spin doctoring.

When ETSU dropped football we were told it was to move to a better
conference. Check the RPI.. A-Sun is no where near the SoCon let alone better in anyway shape or form. We were lied to plain and simple. That is by no means the only one when it came to football and other stuff but it does address what you brought up.

what conference were you told you were headed to.. i would love to know - after the raiding of cusa a few years ago - we have been a one bid league a couple of times -- so i really wonder what the lie was? there are several strong basketball programs in cusa that would love to hear they were heading to a better league but don't really think that is realistic?? a-10? i really don't think you were told that.. i would drop uab football and go to the a-10 - there are some that would second that at uab but prob. not the majority.

They didn't say we are going to conference X, Y or Z. We were told that without football draining the athletic budget that would allow the department to uses the funds to improve the other programs and move us to a higher profile conference and that men's basketball would be the centerpiece. So we have dropped to the A-Sun had half our 35 year old arena's seating cut in half because when we dropped football we lost our grandfather protection for primary use. But we have built a new soccer stadium,
a new softball field, a new baseball field and I think plans are in the works for a new tennis center. Meanwhile our "Centerpiece" is
playing in a crumbling airplane hanger.

rod... we finally hit some common ground - my wife is from the tri city area and i have been in the dome a few times... i think there would be 100% agreement with fans, players, coaches etc... to get a new arena... i hope murry can pull that off, that would be huge and maybe you could learn to like "the man" who does that.. another conference?? gonna be tough - take it from this blazer