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Good to see NIU and the conference making compromises so that as many MAC teams as possible receive bowl bids. I have no problem with that. I want to see as many MAC teams in as possible to represent the conference.

I have to wonder though. Would other MAC teams do the same if they could go to the LCB? Would CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, etc. give up going to a bowl game with a short drive so that other MAC teams could go there instead. CMU went to Detroit three straight times.
(11-25-2010 09:04 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2010/.../index.xml

Good to see NIU and the conference making compromises so that as many MAC teams as possible receive bowl bids. I have no problem with that. I want to see as many MAC teams in as possible to represent the conference.

I have to wonder though. Would other MAC teams do the same if they could go to the LCB? Would CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, etc. give up going to a bowl game with a short drive so that other MAC teams could go there instead. CMU went to Detroit three straight times.

Uh, yes. The Huskies are bowl shopping for not only what is in the MAC's best interest, but in their best interest as well. They would like a more attractive bowl opponent than what the MCB is likely to get.

There are problems with the MCB even though it is close by. The day after Christmas presents problems in Detroit, as there is almost nothing open on Christmas Day when you are in your hotel. The day after Christmas is also not an ideal day for a fan base that is traveling, as likely most families have other commitments.

CMU and other Michigan MAC schools are alittle different, in that they already have large alumni bases in the Detroit area. NIU will ultimately do what is in their best interest for the Bowl season, as they should. If it helps the MAC as well, it is a win-win
(11-25-2010 09:04 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I have to wonder though. Would other MAC teams do the same if they could go to the LCB? Would CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, etc. give up going to a bowl game with a short drive so that other MAC teams could go there instead. CMU went to Detroit three straight times.

It wasn't the Motor City Bowl, but a couple years ago WMU passed up the Independence Bowl (higher payout, easier opponent, better network) for the Texas Bowl so that NIU could get into the bowl.
(11-25-2010 09:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-25-2010 09:04 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I have to wonder though. Would other MAC teams do the same if they could go to the LCB? Would CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, etc. give up going to a bowl game with a short drive so that other MAC teams could go there instead. CMU went to Detroit three straight times.

It wasn't the Motor City Bowl, but a couple years ago WMU passed up the Independence Bowl (higher payout, easier opponent, better network) for the Texas Bowl so that NIU could get into the bowl.

A bowl doesn't have to honor a higher payout if the original conference tie-ins don't fill it. NIU did not get the $1-1.2 million payout per team that was advertised by the Independence Bowl.
(11-25-2010 10:23 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-25-2010 09:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-25-2010 09:04 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I have to wonder though. Would other MAC teams do the same if they could go to the LCB? Would CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, etc. give up going to a bowl game with a short drive so that other MAC teams could go there instead. CMU went to Detroit three straight times.

It wasn't the Motor City Bowl, but a couple years ago WMU passed up the Independence Bowl (higher payout, easier opponent, better network) for the Texas Bowl so that NIU could get into the bowl.

A bowl doesn't have to honor a higher payout if the original conference tie-ins don't fill it. NIU did not get the $1-1.2 million payout per team that was advertised by the Independence Bowl.

You are correct, but if WMU had chose the Independence, NIU would have likely stayed home. In my mind it wasn't the payout, but the fact that the Texas bowl was only on the NFL network while the Independence was on ESPN
I want to see Nev vs NoILL in Boise
I have no problem playing Nevada (although i'd rather play and beat a BCS team) but it would be nice if we could match up in a more desirable location that NIU fans would go to. No one wants to go to Idaho or pay the high cost to fly there.
(11-25-2010 10:53 AM)Crebman Wrote: [ -> ]You are correct, but if WMU had chose the Independence, NIU would have likely stayed home. In my mind it wasn't the payout, but the fact that the Texas bowl was only on the NFL network while the Independence was on ESPN

Indeed, WMU passing up the Independence helped NIU.

However, that still doesn't answer my original question. Would CMU, WMU, EMU, or Toledo pass up the LCB so that another bowl eligible MAC team could play there?
Smart move by the MAC if they can sell NIU to another bowl. That would allow the MAC to place a minimum of four teams into bowls in the event the BCS pulls out some upsets to get more 6-6 teams into the mix.
It would be great if a desirable NIU team can we "shopped" to a better bowl slot, and help both NIU and the MAC out in the process. If we get a lousy Sun Belt match-up in the LCB, having NIU play there doesn't do much for NIU, the MAC, or the attendance for the game. Much better to put Toledo in there, or OU as a back-up plan (at least in terms of attendance...not saying that those schools and their fans would necessarily be excited about the prospect).

Root for TX A&M to beat Texas tonight, and of course this weekend Kentucky to beat Tennessee (which happens about once every 20 yrs!). Also, a Georgia (5-6) loss would be obviously helpful! Those results would greatly boost the MAC's chances on having bowls for all 5 bowl eligible teams.
(11-25-2010 02:00 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]It would be great if a desirable NIU team can we "shopped" to a better bowl slot, and help both NIU and the MAC out in the process. If we get a lousy Sun Belt match-up in the LCB, having NIU play there doesn't do much for NIU, the MAC, or the attendance for the game. Much better to put Toledo in there, or OU as a back-up plan (at least in terms of attendance...not saying that those schools and their fans would necessarily be excited about the prospect).

Root for TX A&M to beat Texas tonight, and of course this weekend Kentucky to beat Tennessee (which happens about once every 20 yrs!). Also, a Georgia (5-6) loss would be obviously helpful! Those results would greatly boost the MAC's chances on having bowls for all 5 bowl eligible teams.

I don't know. I think Temple might be the odds on favorite to go to Detroit if NIU is shopped. Toledo is too close. They'd bring fans, but they wouldn't fill hotel rooms. Ohio will have played in Ford Field 3 times in the last 2 years. I'm not sure the LCB or Ohio wants to go back there for a 4th time.
Colo [Neb], Tex [TexA&M], Hous [TexT], Ga [GaT], Tenn [Kent], OrgSt[Stan&Org]
Louv-Rutgers, Cali-Wash. MAC can handle a 3 in out of this bunch & still get 5.
4 depending on LCB secondary agreement. it's possiable SB does not get 3rd 6 win school

Idaho [frenso&SJST] & LousT [SJST&Nev] winning out takes NM spot out of Picture
UCLA has ASU & USC
Cin has Conn & Pitt
if rutgers [WV] or Wash [WashSt] wins, they need 1 more
Yep, lotsa possibilities....the MAC really needs some help to get 5 teams bowling....I think Ky over Tennessee and A&M over Texas are both realistic. If Texas and Tennessee both win we may have only 3 or 4 bowling.

And yeah, the best scenario for the MAC is probably an NIU-Ohio or Miami MACC, and then if NIU wins they'd be ranked and hopefully lined up for a good non MAC bowl or back-up bowl match up. Then, you could have UT or Temple play in Detroit.

As for Miami, we'd just be happy to be bowling anywhere!
(11-25-2010 01:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-25-2010 10:53 AM)Crebman Wrote: [ -> ]You are correct, but if WMU had chose the Independence, NIU would have likely stayed home. In my mind it wasn't the payout, but the fact that the Texas bowl was only on the NFL network while the Independence was on ESPN

Indeed, WMU passing up the Independence helped NIU.

However, that still doesn't answer my original question. Would CMU, WMU, EMU, or Toledo pass up the LCB so that another bowl eligible MAC team could play there?

You're asking the question from the wrong perspective. Would the LCB pass on those schools to bring in another that will probably result in fewer tickets sold? I doubt they would, they need to sell tickets.
(11-25-2010 05:27 PM)CMUprof Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-25-2010 01:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]However, that still doesn't answer my original question. Would CMU, WMU, EMU, or Toledo pass up the LCB so that another bowl eligible MAC team could play there?

You're asking the question from the wrong perspective. Would the LCB pass on those schools to bring in another that will probably result in fewer tickets sold? I doubt they would, they need to sell tickets.

Schools are allowed to turn down bowl games. LCB can get first choice, but i think it is allowed to turn down an invite for a bowl and accept another bowl's offer?

If it was about selling tickets then i don't know why they would make an agreement with the SBC. No SBC team is going to bring any fans nor is bringing in any SBC team going to make casual fans want to pay to go to the game.
NIU or any MAC team would have to go to LCB if they are selected because that is the MAC's contract. Another bowl would not try to violate the LCBs agreement. That is the price of a guaranteed slot: you have to honor it.
(11-25-2010 06:01 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]NIU or any MAC team would have to go to LCB if they are selected because that is the MAC's contract. Another bowl would not try to violate the LCBs agreement. That is the price of a guaranteed slot: you have to honor it.

I thought as long the MAC fulfills its tie-in then you do not violate the agreement. Isn't that how schools like TCU and Boise State get out of playing in a conference-affiliated bowl and end up in a BCS bowl? Would NIU really be forced to go to the LCB to play a 6-6 SBC team rather than being allowed to take an at-large bid to play a better team when there are plenty of MAC schools available to fill that spot in the LCB?
If the LCB felt that another MAC team would hurt them in the bowl, then of course they might not opt to go along....in this case you could argue schools like UT and maybe OU would bring more fans, but if NIU wins the MACC they'll be ranked and the LCB may like that prospect. With a pathetic SunBelt match-up looming though it would probably really help to have a UT in the game to fill seats.
(11-25-2010 06:33 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]If the LCB felt that another MAC team would hurt them in the bowl, then of course they might not opt to go along....in this case you could argue schools like UT and maybe OU would bring more fans, but if NIU wins the MACC they'll be ranked and the LCB may like that prospect. With a pathetic SunBelt match-up looming though it would probably really help to have a UT in the game to fill seats.

LCB may want NIU over Ohio but not over Toledo..
(11-25-2010 06:33 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]If the LCB felt that another MAC team would hurt them in the bowl, then of course they might not opt to go along....in this case you could argue schools like UT and maybe OU would bring more fans, but if NIU wins the MACC they'll be ranked and the LCB may like that prospect. With a pathetic SunBelt match-up looming though it would probably really help to have a UT in the game to fill seats.

You mean like the pathetic SunBelt 6-6 FAU team that beat CMU in 2008
MCB.
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