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(10-23-2010 09:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/10/23/1770...k-or-treat

You taking a page from KK's book? If you want to be ranked ahead of a team lose to them at your place? Buffalo behind BG and UT behind OU? Interesting- OU has definitely improved some since then but hard to say if they would beat us (its been so long..) but BG has gotten progressively worse since they lost to Buffalo in BG.

(10-23-2010 10:15 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2010 09:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/10/23/1770...k-or-treat

You taking a page from KK's book? If you want to be ranked ahead of a team lose to them at your place? Buffalo behind BG and UT behind OU? Interesting- OU has definitely improved some since then but hard to say if they would beat us (its been so long..) but BG has gotten progressively worse since they lost to Buffalo in BG.

I watched the UB BGSU game... Not an impressive statement for UB... In the two weeks since then UB has been outscored 97-14! When we played the falcons their starter was out and we lost because of a late missed FG.

BG gave Temple a run for their money and at least scored this wek...

OU is *alot* better and you guys spotted BSU 17 today!

(10-23-2010 10:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2010 10:15 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2010 09:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/10/23/1770...k-or-treat

You taking a page from KK's book? If you want to be ranked ahead of a team lose to them at your place? Buffalo behind BG and UT behind OU? Interesting- OU has definitely improved some since then but hard to say if they would beat us (its been so long..) but BG has gotten progressively worse since they lost to Buffalo in BG.

I watched the UB BGSU game... Not an impressive statement for UB... In the two weeks since then UB has been outscored 97-14! When we played the falcons their starter was out and we lost because of a late missed FG.

BG gave Temple a run for their money and at least scored this wek...

OU is *a lot* better and you guys spotted BSU 17 today!

We try to spot everybody a few points- want to be good hosts.

(10-23-2010 10:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]OU is *alot* better and you guys spotted BSU 17 today!

In case you haven't noticed, Toledo has been spotting everyone at least a 17 point lead in the first half when we play at home. It's happened in every single game.

For some reason Toledo is a better road team. They seem to be nervous and pressing too much at the start of games at home. On the road we look relax and have jumped on everyone we have played, with the exception of Boise State....and we did have close to 200 yards in that first half against them, it was just the turnovers that hurt us against the #3 team in the country.

OU is better, but I don't know how much better. Miami was the only team with a winning record that they had played in the last few games, and Miami is now 4-4 at this point. The jury is still out about most MAC teams at this point. Only NIU has shown me they are for real.

My rankings would be
1. NIU- 6-2 they continue to blow away the MAC and are bowl eligible
2. Temple- 6-2 They contine to roll with ground attack and now bowl eligible. forgive the loss at NIU
3. Toledo- 5-3 unbeated in MAC. Win at Ohio looks impressive, but can they beat NIU
4. Ohio- 5-3 despite some key injuries the Bobcats keep rolling.
5. Miami 4-4 made silly mistakes that cost them big time.
6. Western Michigan- hard to figure them out they destroy bad teams like Akron or do nothing against anyone decent.
7. Kent State 3-4 they are better than people think. two conference loses are Miami and Toledo
8. Ball State 2-6 they beat CMU. a two win team
9. Central Michigan 2-6 most overated team in the MAC. They beat EMU and a fcs cupecake. they don't win at home
10. Eastern Michigan 1-7 they beat Ball State
11. Buffalo 2-6 they beat a bad BGSU they on a missed fg.
12. BGSU 1-7 they stink. Except for Akron they won't beat a MAC team. Getting drilled against mid level MAC team.
13. Akron 0-8 might be the worst team in the country.

NIU- Consistant and healthy
Temple- great running game
Toledo- without penalties and slow starts would be blowing out everyone, but hey who wouldn't
OU- playing great football right now
WMU- also playing better
Miami- played terrible vs. OU but they are better than that
CMU- talent wise they are still good, just not finding ways to win
KSU- good Defense
BSU- can put quarters together just not games
Buffalo- who knows
EMU- believe it or not they can score
BGsucks- yikes
Akron- turrible, turrible, turrible

BG saw their 1st 2 games, they are better than the 1-7. I don't what happened to them. Akron? he is driving it down, cleaning it up and will rebuild, Ianello will be successful. BSU no consistent effort. The MAC still has some surprises left with -4- weeks to go. Toledo and Ohio lurking.

What do you have against western? If you think they're in the bottom half of the MAC you sir are clearly on drugs.

(10-24-2010 12:12 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote: [ -> ]2. Temple- 6-2 They contine to roll with ground attack and now bowl eligible. forgive the loss at NIU

What do you mean 'forgive the loss at NIU'? We lost to a damn good team at their place...

(10-24-2010 01:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2010 12:12 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote: [ -> ]2. Temple- 6-2 They contine to roll with ground attack and now bowl eligible. forgive the loss at NIU

What do you mean 'forgive the loss at NIU'? We lost to a damn good team at their place...

That's probably why he's "forgiving" it.

(10-24-2010 10:51 AM)Cubit4pres Wrote: [ -> ]What do you have against western? If you think they're in the bottom half of the MAC you sir are clearly on drugs.

If I had them in the bottom four you might be able to line me up for a drug test but they are 7th... Just outside of the top half..

(10-24-2010 05:58 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2010 10:51 AM)Cubit4pres Wrote: [ -> ]What do you have against western? If you think they're in the bottom half of the MAC you sir are clearly on drugs.

If I had them in the bottom four you might be able to line me up for a drug test but they are 7th... Just outside of the top half..

I see 8th, and curiously behind kent and central

(10-23-2010 09:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/10/23/1770...k-or-treat

I was at that game last nite in C'ville.

EMU and UVa slugged it out like a couple heavyweight (okay, middleweight) fighters in the first half.

"In total, the Eagles gained a season-best 290 yards on the ground for a total of 354 total yards."

Yep, 290 yards rushing vs an ACC team.

It was 14 - 14 late in the 1st half. EMU had missed a chippie FG attempt. UVa gets one very late in the first half for a small lead.

EMU had a long pass completion called back on a too many men on line penalty.

EMU did not rely on tricks or smoke and mirrors.

EMU could have easily been leading at the half.

EMU misfired in the 2nd half on two special teams TDs - one a KO return for a TD and another where UVa went for it on a 4th down punting situation.

The 'back breaker' was when EMU scored to make it 24 - 21 and UVa returned the KO for a TD. That really hurt. This was half way through the 3rd quarter.

Very misleading final score...

Not to mention that WMU has won 2 MAC road games in a row, neither of which was remotely close. Granted, the opponents were not having good seasons........but c'mon. Give them a break.

I actually agree with either OBJ's rankings or UofToledofans. I think that, records aside, Miami and WMU are pretty much a toss-up right now.

Rankings are just opinions. But as each week goes by, there is more evidence on which to base those.

Looking forward to the NIU - WMU game next week. We'll see if WMU's progress is an illusion, or if the young pups are growing up and maturing.

(10-24-2010 07:08 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention that WMU has won 2 MAC road games in a row, neither of which was remotely close. Granted, the opponents were not having good seasons........but c'mon. Give them a break.

I actually agree with either OBJ's rankings or UofToledofans. I think that, records aside, Miami and WMU are pretty much a toss-up right now.

Rankings are just opinions. But as each week goes by, there is more evidence on which to base those.

Not having good seasons?

You've beaten the two MAC squads who lost to a IAA team and have a combined record of 2-14. They are awful teams, bloody awful teams.

I wish Kent would play up to its full potential and stop laying eggs when they should win. I have no arguments with the current ranking of Kent since they managed to lose games they should have won.

All you can do is line up and play the schedule you've been given. Yes, those two teams are bad but the Broncos won both games on the road by a combined score of 101-26. What more should a "decent team" do? You've got a CMU team ranked ahead of WMU that lost to that same BSU team at CMU. Can't let go of that pre-season nod to the Chips? I've seen almost all of the CMU games and the only game in which they looked pretty good was at Temple. It's been downhill from there. Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting healthy and better.

After opening with a loss at still unbeaten #7 Michigan State and a blowout win against an FCS team Nicholls St., the Broncos opened MAC play with a loss at home to Toledo. Here is what you might not know. WMU spotted them a 21-0 lead before scoring. Despite 6 turnovers, WMU outgained UT 416 to 268. We couldn't run the ball (still having problems there) so we had to throw it a lot. Carder, in his 3rd career start threw 4 ints. and fumbled twice. Growing pains.

Next came another bad home loss in which the team did much the same as in the Toledo game, spot the other team a lead and turn the ball over a bunch. Losing at home to Idaho in that manner was embarassing. Had you ranked them 8th at this point, it would have been generous.

After a loss at Notre Dame in which WMU had 3 turnovers, they now have won 2 MAC games in a row on the road. The trend is on the upswing, not only because the schedule, but because they are doing a much better job not turning the ball over and our D is doing a better job of not giving up the big play. No turnovers at BSU and one fumble lost late against Akron.

The defense is gelling under a new defensive staff, many young guys are getting lots of playing time. I didn't do a lot of woofing about our team early because I knew this year might be a tough one. I figured 6-6 but thought if this team got to 7-5 it would be a good year. I've watched a lot of MAC football on TV this year and find it strange that you believe that 7 MAC teams are better than WMU is playing right now, crappy competition or not.

BTW, NIU won at Akron 50-14. WMU won at Akron 56-10 and it should have been a shutout, as our D gave up 0 points. I think you and others are basing your evaluation on the trainwreck that our team was just a few short weeks ago and not on where they are today.

Not saying our team is great (or even good) but they are certainly better than 8th out of 13.

With all of that long winded screed said, I'll grant you that it is tough to rank teams when you don't see them all. This ain't personal. I just think that WMU has earned a second look. We'll see next Saturday when NIU comes to town.

(10-24-2010 09:25 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]All you can do is line up and play the schedule you've been given. Yes, those two teams are bad but the Broncos won both games on the road by a combined score of 101-26. What more should a "decent team" do? You've got a CMU team ranked ahead of WMU that lost to that same BSU team at CMU. Can't let go of that pre-season nod to the Chips? I've seen almost all of the CMU games and the only game in which they looked pretty good was at Temple. It's been downhill from there. Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting healthy and better.

After opening with a loss at still unbeaten #7 Michigan State and a blowout win against an FCS team Nicholls St., the Broncos opened MAC play with a loss at home to Toledo. Here is what you might not know. WMU spotted them a 21-0 lead before scoring. Despite 6 turnovers, WMU outgained UT 416 to 268. We couldn't run the ball (still having problems there) so we had to throw it a lot. Carder, in his 3rd career start threw 4 ints. and fumbled twice. Growing pains.

Next came another bad home loss in which the team did much the same as in the Toledo game, spot the other team a lead and turn the ball over a bunch. Losing at home to Idaho in that manner was embarassing. Had you ranked them 8th at this point, it would have been generous.

After a loss at Notre Dame in which WMU had 3 turnovers, they now have won 2 MAC games in a row on the road. The trend is on the upswing, not only because the schedule, but because they are doing a much better job not turning the ball over and our D is doing a better job of not giving up the big play. No turnovers at BSU and one fumble lost late against Akron.

The defense is gelling under a new defensive staff, many young guys are getting lots of playing time. I didn't do a lot of woofing about our team early because I knew this year might be a tough one. I figured 6-6 but thought if this team got to 7-5 it would be a good year. I've watched a lot of MAC football on TV this year and find it strange that you believe that 7 MAC teams are better than WMU is playing right now, crappy competition or not.

BTW, NIU won at Akron 50-14. WMU won at Akron 56-10 and it should have been a shutout, as our D gave up 0 points. I think you and others are basing your evaluation on the trainwreck that our team was just a few short weeks ago and not on where they are today.

Not saying our team is great (or even good) but they are certainly better than 8th out of 13.

With all of that long winded screed said, I'll grant you that it is tough to rank teams when you don't see them all. This ain't personal. I just think that WMU has earned a second look. We'll see next Saturday when NIU comes to town.

Toledo went to a prevent defense starting late in the 2nd quarter against the Broncos. That's why Carder started to accumulate passing yardage. Rockets were up 31-7 in the 3rd quarter. The game was over at that point. Btw, when your offense has a short field to score because of opponent's turnovers-you don't rack up as much yardage.

(10-25-2010 05:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2010 09:25 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]All you can do is line up and play the schedule you've been given. Yes, those two teams are bad but the Broncos won both games on the road by a combined score of 101-26. What more should a "decent team" do? You've got a CMU team ranked ahead of WMU that lost to that same BSU team at CMU. Can't let go of that pre-season nod to the Chips? I've seen almost all of the CMU games and the only game in which they looked pretty good was at Temple. It's been downhill from there. Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting healthy and better.

After opening with a loss at still unbeaten #7 Michigan State and a blowout win against an FCS team Nicholls St., the Broncos opened MAC play with a loss at home to Toledo. Here is what you might not know. WMU spotted them a 21-0 lead before scoring. Despite 6 turnovers, WMU outgained UT 416 to 268. We couldn't run the ball (still having problems there) so we had to throw it a lot. Carder, in his 3rd career start threw 4 ints. and fumbled twice. Growing pains.

Next came another bad home loss in which the team did much the same as in the Toledo game, spot the other team a lead and turn the ball over a bunch. Losing at home to Idaho in that manner was embarassing. Had you ranked them 8th at this point, it would have been generous.

After a loss at Notre Dame in which WMU had 3 turnovers, they now have won 2 MAC games in a row on the road. The trend is on the upswing, not only because the schedule, but because they are doing a much better job not turning the ball over and our D is doing a better job of not giving up the big play. No turnovers at BSU and one fumble lost late against Akron.

The defense is gelling under a new defensive staff, many young guys are getting lots of playing time. I didn't do a lot of woofing about our team early because I knew this year might be a tough one. I figured 6-6 but thought if this team got to 7-5 it would be a good year. I've watched a lot of MAC football on TV this year and find it strange that you believe that 7 MAC teams are better than WMU is playing right now, crappy competition or not.

BTW, NIU won at Akron 50-14. WMU won at Akron 56-10 and it should have been a shutout, as our D gave up 0 points. I think you and others are basing your evaluation on the trainwreck that our team was just a few short weeks ago and not on where they are today.

Not saying our team is great (or even good) but they are certainly better than 8th out of 13.

With all of that long winded screed said, I'll grant you that it is tough to rank teams when you don't see them all. This ain't personal. I just think that WMU has earned a second look. We'll see next Saturday when NIU comes to town.

Toledo went to a prevent defense starting late in the 2nd quarter against the Broncos. That's why Carder started to accumulate passing yardage. Rockets were up 31-7 in the 3rd quarter. The game was over at that point. Btw, when your offense has a short field to score because of opponent's turnovers-you don't rack up as much yardage.

Actually the game was over when you returned the ko for a TD in the 4th qtr.. WMU has grown up big and played well against UT but for the to's (they count unfortunately) the game would've been differant. We are beating ND w/out 4 TO's in the first half. If we don't turnover the ball this week we are in it. Turnovers are WMU's story.

That being said UT won and has played great winning football since. I like their team alot and how they are playing. They seem the team of destiny this year. Congrats !