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The crap that Bruce Pearl pulled over at Tennessee is really getting to setting new heights for NCAA violations. Not only did he acknowledge at the time they were happening to recruits that he, they, and the University were committing violations, he even worked with them to keep the story straight if the NCAA ever came snooping around. Unreal!

If Bruce Pearl survives this at Tennessee, it is clear evidence that even if a coach committs murder, if he's winning for the Vols, he will keep his job.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/st...id=5715172
(10-22-2010 11:43 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]The crap that Bruce Pearl pulled over at Tennessee is really getting to setting new heights for NCAA violations. Not only did he acknowledge at the time they were happening to recruits that he, they, and the University were committing violations, he even worked with them to keep the story straight if the NCAA ever came snooping around. Unreal!

If Bruce Pearl survives this at Tennessee, it is clear evidence that even if a coach committs murder, if he's winning for the Vols, he will keep his job.


No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.
(10-23-2010 08:48 AM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2010 11:43 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]The crap that Bruce Pearl pulled over at Tennessee is really getting to setting new heights for NCAA violations. Not only did he acknowledge at the time they were happening to recruits that he, they, and the University were committing violations, he even worked with them to keep the story straight if the NCAA ever came snooping around. Unreal!

If Bruce Pearl survives this at Tennessee, it is clear evidence that even if a coach committs murder, if he's winning for the Vols, he will keep his job.


No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.

I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers
(10-23-2010 08:59 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:48 AM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2010 11:43 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]The crap that Bruce Pearl pulled over at Tennessee is really getting to setting new heights for NCAA violations. Not only did he acknowledge at the time they were happening to recruits that he, they, and the University were committing violations, he even worked with them to keep the story straight if the NCAA ever came snooping around. Unreal!

If Bruce Pearl survives this at Tennessee, it is clear evidence that even if a coach committs murder, if he's winning for the Vols, he will keep his job.


No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.

I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers

A little bit harsh in our criticism? Ah come on Dr J! Let's just review:

1) Pearl invites recruites and their families to his home knowing at the time he was committing an NCAA violation.

2) He tells the recruites and their families at the time that it is an NCAA violation and eveybody needs to keep their mouth shut about it.

3) He flat out lies to the NCAA that the above happened.

4) He flat out lies to the NCAA that he even knows the wife of an assistant coach who has been with him for ten years, that was at the party at his home.

5) After he lies to the NCAA, he calls the families to remind them that they need to keep their mouth shut.

6) Only when he is absolutely caught red handed by photos taken at his home during the violations, which had not onlythe wife referred to above, but the recruit in them, does he tearfully confess, but not to this conspiracy, but to other violations that might seem minor.

7) Now, when all of the conspiracy and knowing violations come to light, he says, and I quote: "Everything we're dealing with is stuff we've known about for a long time." Yea think coach, since you have now admitted that you knew it was a violation when you cooked it up in the first place.

Of course all of the above is in addition to the other recruiting violations that he was caught doing.

You say he didn't pay any players. How in the hell do you know that, since he is clearly willing to knowingly commit violations, and only comes clean after lying about them when there is irrefutable evidence. There is no doubt in my mind given the above, the Pearl would pay a player if he thought he could get away with it. And since he's clearly willing to lie and cover up transgressions, who's to say that he hasn't paid players.

And since he held himself out as the poster boy for following the rules when he blew the whistle on other coaches when he was recruiting against them, but his "evidence" on the other coaches didn't hold up and it became clear that Pearl did it to gain a recruiting advantage for himself, it kind of reminds you of one of those sanctimonious preachers who gets caught in bed with a hooker or a little boy. The guy is full of it, an out an out liar, and hypocrite.
(10-23-2010 10:13 AM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:59 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:48 AM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2010 11:43 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]The crap that Bruce Pearl pulled over at Tennessee is really getting to setting new heights for NCAA violations. Not only did he acknowledge at the time they were happening to recruits that he, they, and the University were committing violations, he even worked with them to keep the story straight if the NCAA ever came snooping around. Unreal!

If Bruce Pearl survives this at Tennessee, it is clear evidence that even if a coach committs murder, if he's winning for the Vols, he will keep his job.


No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.

I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers

A little bit harsh in our criticism? Ah come on Dr J! Let's just review:

1) Pearl invites recruites and their families to his home knowing at the time he was committing an NCAA violation.

2) He tells the recruites and their families at the time that it is an NCAA violation and eveybody needs to keep their mouth shut about it.

3) He flat out lies to the NCAA that the above happened.

4) He flat out lies to the NCAA that he even knows the wife of an assistant coach who has been with him for ten years, that was at the party at his home.

5) After he lies to the NCAA, he calls the families to remind them that they need to keep their mouth shut.

6) Only when he is absolutely caught red handed by photos taken at his home during the violations, which had not onlythe wife referred to above, but the recruit in them, does he tearfully confess, but not to this conspiracy, but to other violations that might seem minor.

7) Now, when all of the conspiracy and knowing violations come to light, he says, and I quote: "Everything we're dealing with is stuff we've known about for a long time." Yea think coach, since you have now admitted that you knew it was a violation when you cooked it up in the first place.

Of course all of the above is in addition to the other recruiting violations that he was caught doing.

You say he didn't pay any players. How in the hell do you know that, since he is clearly willing to knowingly commit violations, and only comes clean after lying about them when there is irrefutable evidence. There is no doubt in my mind given the above, the Pearl would pay a player if he thought he could get away with it. And since he's clearly willing to lie and cover up transgressions, who's to say that he hasn't paid players.

And since he held himself out as the poster boy for following the rules when he blew the whistle on other coaches when he was recruiting against them, but his "evidence" on the other coaches didn't hold up and it became clear that Pearl did it to gain a recruiting advantage for himself, it kind of reminds you of one of those sanctimonious preachers who gets caught in bed with a hooker or a little boy. The guy is full of it, an out an out liar, and hypocrite.

He knowingly broke some rules and lied about it. I'm not defending him on that. I'm just saying that to bring murder into the equation is a little far fetched. But you're right. Not only did he break some rules, he was stupid in the way he did it. Why do people do stupid things? I don't pretend to understand crazy things that people do. If we could turn stupidity into energy, we'd totally eliminate the dependence on foreign oil.04-cheers
(10-23-2010 06:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 10:13 AM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:59 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:48 AM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2010 11:43 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]The crap that Bruce Pearl pulled over at Tennessee is really getting to setting new heights for NCAA violations. Not only did he acknowledge at the time they were happening to recruits that he, they, and the University were committing violations, he even worked with them to keep the story straight if the NCAA ever came snooping around. Unreal!

If Bruce Pearl survives this at Tennessee, it is clear evidence that even if a coach committs murder, if he's winning for the Vols, he will keep his job.


No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.

I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers

A little bit harsh in our criticism? Ah come on Dr J! Let's just review:

1) Pearl invites recruites and their families to his home knowing at the time he was committing an NCAA violation.

2) He tells the recruites and their families at the time that it is an NCAA violation and eveybody needs to keep their mouth shut about it.

3) He flat out lies to the NCAA that the above happened.

4) He flat out lies to the NCAA that he even knows the wife of an assistant coach who has been with him for ten years, that was at the party at his home.

5) After he lies to the NCAA, he calls the families to remind them that they need to keep their mouth shut.

6) Only when he is absolutely caught red handed by photos taken at his home during the violations, which had not onlythe wife referred to above, but the recruit in them, does he tearfully confess, but not to this conspiracy, but to other violations that might seem minor.

7) Now, when all of the conspiracy and knowing violations come to light, he says, and I quote: "Everything we're dealing with is stuff we've known about for a long time." Yea think coach, since you have now admitted that you knew it was a violation when you cooked it up in the first place.

Of course all of the above is in addition to the other recruiting violations that he was caught doing.

You say he didn't pay any players. How in the hell do you know that, since he is clearly willing to knowingly commit violations, and only comes clean after lying about them when there is irrefutable evidence. There is no doubt in my mind given the above, the Pearl would pay a player if he thought he could get away with it. And since he's clearly willing to lie and cover up transgressions, who's to say that he hasn't paid players.

And since he held himself out as the poster boy for following the rules when he blew the whistle on other coaches when he was recruiting against them, but his "evidence" on the other coaches didn't hold up and it became clear that Pearl did it to gain a recruiting advantage for himself, it kind of reminds you of one of those sanctimonious preachers who gets caught in bed with a hooker or a little boy. The guy is full of it, an out an out liar, and hypocrite.

He knowingly broke some rules and lied about it. I'm not defending him on that. I'm just saying that to bring murder into the equation is a little far fetched. But you're right. Not only did he break some rules, he was stupid in the way he did it. Why do people do stupid things? I don't pretend to understand crazy things that people do. If we could turn stupidity into energy, we'd totally eliminate the dependence on foreign oil.04-cheers

Sorry, I can't get too worked up about a coach inviting some kids over for a barbeque. There's worse problems in the world. I would guess a BCS coach that doesn't cheat is the exception. Big time athletics is a cesspool. I kind of like supporting little Ole UALR- a clean program, that does things the right way, and graduates almost all its players.
(10-23-2010 09:38 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 06:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 10:13 AM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:59 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:48 AM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.

I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers

A little bit harsh in our criticism? Ah come on Dr J! Let's just review:

1) Pearl invites recruites and their families to his home knowing at the time he was committing an NCAA violation.

2) He tells the recruites and their families at the time that it is an NCAA violation and eveybody needs to keep their mouth shut about it.

3) He flat out lies to the NCAA that the above happened.

4) He flat out lies to the NCAA that he even knows the wife of an assistant coach who has been with him for ten years, that was at the party at his home.

5) After he lies to the NCAA, he calls the families to remind them that they need to keep their mouth shut.

6) Only when he is absolutely caught red handed by photos taken at his home during the violations, which had not onlythe wife referred to above, but the recruit in them, does he tearfully confess, but not to this conspiracy, but to other violations that might seem minor.

7) Now, when all of the conspiracy and knowing violations come to light, he says, and I quote: "Everything we're dealing with is stuff we've known about for a long time." Yea think coach, since you have now admitted that you knew it was a violation when you cooked it up in the first place.

Of course all of the above is in addition to the other recruiting violations that he was caught doing.

You say he didn't pay any players. How in the hell do you know that, since he is clearly willing to knowingly commit violations, and only comes clean after lying about them when there is irrefutable evidence. There is no doubt in my mind given the above, the Pearl would pay a player if he thought he could get away with it. And since he's clearly willing to lie and cover up transgressions, who's to say that he hasn't paid players.

And since he held himself out as the poster boy for following the rules when he blew the whistle on other coaches when he was recruiting against them, but his "evidence" on the other coaches didn't hold up and it became clear that Pearl did it to gain a recruiting advantage for himself, it kind of reminds you of one of those sanctimonious preachers who gets caught in bed with a hooker or a little boy. The guy is full of it, an out an out liar, and hypocrite.

He knowingly broke some rules and lied about it. I'm not defending him on that. I'm just saying that to bring murder into the equation is a little far fetched. But you're right. Not only did he break some rules, he was stupid in the way he did it. Why do people do stupid things? I don't pretend to understand crazy things that people do. If we could turn stupidity into energy, we'd totally eliminate the dependence on foreign oil.04-cheers

Sorry, I can't get too worked up about a coach inviting some kids over for a barbeque. There's worse problems in the world. I would guess a BCS coach that doesn't cheat is the exception. Big time athletics is a cesspool. I kind of like supporting little Ole UALR- a clean program, that does things the right way, and graduates almost all its players.

Well I don't know about that. It's a slippery slope. Barbeque can lead to the hard stuff like chicken and dumplings. We have to protect our kids from all those unhealthy foods.04-cheers
(10-23-2010 09:38 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 06:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 10:13 AM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:59 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:48 AM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt he would be fired at most any school in the nation. Even at the University of Arkansas.

I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers

A little bit harsh in our criticism? Ah come on Dr J! Let's just review:

1) Pearl invites recruites and their families to his home knowing at the time he was committing an NCAA violation.

2) He tells the recruites and their families at the time that it is an NCAA violation and eveybody needs to keep their mouth shut about it.

3) He flat out lies to the NCAA that the above happened.

4) He flat out lies to the NCAA that he even knows the wife of an assistant coach who has been with him for ten years, that was at the party at his home.

5) After he lies to the NCAA, he calls the families to remind them that they need to keep their mouth shut.

6) Only when he is absolutely caught red handed by photos taken at his home during the violations, which had not onlythe wife referred to above, but the recruit in them, does he tearfully confess, but not to this conspiracy, but to other violations that might seem minor.

7) Now, when all of the conspiracy and knowing violations come to light, he says, and I quote: "Everything we're dealing with is stuff we've known about for a long time." Yea think coach, since you have now admitted that you knew it was a violation when you cooked it up in the first place.

Of course all of the above is in addition to the other recruiting violations that he was caught doing.

You say he didn't pay any players. How in the hell do you know that, since he is clearly willing to knowingly commit violations, and only comes clean after lying about them when there is irrefutable evidence. There is no doubt in my mind given the above, the Pearl would pay a player if he thought he could get away with it. And since he's clearly willing to lie and cover up transgressions, who's to say that he hasn't paid players.

And since he held himself out as the poster boy for following the rules when he blew the whistle on other coaches when he was recruiting against them, but his "evidence" on the other coaches didn't hold up and it became clear that Pearl did it to gain a recruiting advantage for himself, it kind of reminds you of one of those sanctimonious preachers who gets caught in bed with a hooker or a little boy. The guy is full of it, an out an out liar, and hypocrite.

He knowingly broke some rules and lied about it. I'm not defending him on that. I'm just saying that to bring murder into the equation is a little far fetched. But you're right. Not only did he break some rules, he was stupid in the way he did it. Why do people do stupid things? I don't pretend to understand crazy things that people do. If we could turn stupidity into energy, we'd totally eliminate the dependence on foreign oil.04-cheers

Sorry, I can't get too worked up about a coach inviting some kids over for a barbeque. There's worse problems in the world. I would guess a BCS coach that doesn't cheat is the exception. Big time athletics is a cesspool. I kind of like supporting little Ole UALR- a clean program, that does things the right way, and graduates almost all its players.

If John Pelphrey had done this stuff, you guys wouldn't be making light of it. Seems to me you are giving a pass to Pearl. I doubt the NCAA will.
(10-23-2010 10:55 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]If John Pelphrey had done this stuff, you guys wouldn't be making light of it. Seems to me you are giving a pass to Pearl. I doubt the NCAA will.

+1. PTJR, I gotta say that you are consistent in your disdain for those that do not follow rules. Good thing we've got an athletic department that knows and follows the same.
(10-23-2010 10:55 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 09:38 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 06:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 10:13 AM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2010 08:59 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]I think we're being a little harsh in our criticism here. Granted he broke some rules, which are probably stupid anyway, and then lied about it to protect himself, but hey guys. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't assault anyone. He didn't pay players to play (not that we know of). These are some of those stupid NCAA rules just like coaches not being allowed to openly criticize officials. Or not being able to talk about a closed scrimmage against another team. Those are just assinine, nit picky rules IMO. I believe there should be one major rule violation. Can't pay players. That just keeps the big boys somewhat honest. And limit practice times to protect the kids so they can get an education. All this other stuff is B.S. With that said, even if the rules are stupid, they are the rules. And don't people ever learn that the cover up is always worse than the original infraction. See Watergate.04-cheers

A little bit harsh in our criticism? Ah come on Dr J! Let's just review:

1) Pearl invites recruites and their families to his home knowing at the time he was committing an NCAA violation.

2) He tells the recruites and their families at the time that it is an NCAA violation and eveybody needs to keep their mouth shut about it.

3) He flat out lies to the NCAA that the above happened.

4) He flat out lies to the NCAA that he even knows the wife of an assistant coach who has been with him for ten years, that was at the party at his home.

5) After he lies to the NCAA, he calls the families to remind them that they need to keep their mouth shut.

6) Only when he is absolutely caught red handed by photos taken at his home during the violations, which had not onlythe wife referred to above, but the recruit in them, does he tearfully confess, but not to this conspiracy, but to other violations that might seem minor.

7) Now, when all of the conspiracy and knowing violations come to light, he says, and I quote: "Everything we're dealing with is stuff we've known about for a long time." Yea think coach, since you have now admitted that you knew it was a violation when you cooked it up in the first place.

Of course all of the above is in addition to the other recruiting violations that he was caught doing.

You say he didn't pay any players. How in the hell do you know that, since he is clearly willing to knowingly commit violations, and only comes clean after lying about them when there is irrefutable evidence. There is no doubt in my mind given the above, the Pearl would pay a player if he thought he could get away with it. And since he's clearly willing to lie and cover up transgressions, who's to say that he hasn't paid players.

And since he held himself out as the poster boy for following the rules when he blew the whistle on other coaches when he was recruiting against them, but his "evidence" on the other coaches didn't hold up and it became clear that Pearl did it to gain a recruiting advantage for himself, it kind of reminds you of one of those sanctimonious preachers who gets caught in bed with a hooker or a little boy. The guy is full of it, an out an out liar, and hypocrite.

He knowingly broke some rules and lied about it. I'm not defending him on that. I'm just saying that to bring murder into the equation is a little far fetched. But you're right. Not only did he break some rules, he was stupid in the way he did it. Why do people do stupid things? I don't pretend to understand crazy things that people do. If we could turn stupidity into energy, we'd totally eliminate the dependence on foreign oil.04-cheers

Sorry, I can't get too worked up about a coach inviting some kids over for a barbeque. There's worse problems in the world. I would guess a BCS coach that doesn't cheat is the exception. Big time athletics is a cesspool. I kind of like supporting little Ole UALR- a clean program, that does things the right way, and graduates almost all its players.

If John Pelphrey had done this stuff, you guys wouldn't be making light of it. Seems to me you are giving a pass to Pearl. I doubt the NCAA will.

I would. With all the horrible things going on in the world everyday, illegal barbeques don't rate very high on my list of things to be upset about. Oh oh. I just thought. We'd better be checking Coach Kleine's house for illegal Corky's barbeque parties for all our five star recruits.04-cheers
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