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It wouldn't be a normal day on this board or any other conference board if some jerk didn't come on and post an outrageous rumor.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=449472

(08-28-2010 10:34 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]It wouldn't be a normal day on this board or any other conference board if some jerk didn't come on and post an outrageous rumor.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=449472

Outrageous rumor? This isnt some outrageous rumor. Actually its been talked about quite a bit on this board the last week or so. There were several articles with quotes from the commisioners from both conferences stating that a merger or partnership type deal was being talked about between the two conferences.

(08-28-2010 12:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 10:34 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]It wouldn't be a normal day on this board or any other conference board if some jerk didn't come on and post an outrageous rumor.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=449472

Outrageous rumor? This isnt some outrageous rumor. Actually its been talked about quite a bit on this board the last week or so. There were several articles with quotes from the commisioners from both conferences stating that a merger or partnership type deal was being talked about between the two conferences.

You're right WVUeer. This is getting more and more interesting. . . . . .

(08-28-2010 01:46 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 12:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 10:34 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]It wouldn't be a normal day on this board or any other conference board if some jerk didn't come on and post an outrageous rumor.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=449472

Outrageous rumor? This isnt some outrageous rumor. Actually its been talked about quite a bit on this board the last week or so. There were several articles with quotes from the commisioners from both conferences stating that a merger or partnership type deal was being talked about between the two conferences.

You're right WVUeer. This is getting more and more interesting. . . . . .

I think what it comes down to is the fact that the BCS is getting some pressure on them from various directions including from the political level. So what does the BCS do to ease the talk? Its simple......you take the two best non-AQ leagues, allow the champion of each league to play each other for the chance to play in a BCS game. Will it be one of the more presitgious BCS bowl games that the champion advances too? Probably not. But it would be a BCS bowl that those schools could make it to. I have no problem with that. In recent years the MWC has been better in football but you have to remember that CUSA has some very good markets they are in that could help maximize the two of them. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN, if it has the power that people say it does, pushed for a BE/ACC football merger of some sort down the road; fewer conferences to make deals with; have a decent football product and would be the best men's basketball conference

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

What gives you any idea that we would ever be told to join a MWC/CUSA merger? You lost me on that one.

Question #2.....why would CUSA want any WAC or SBC schools? They already have 12 teams. I'm not quite sure I understand that. If they wanted to bring them in they most definitely could.

The best non-AQ conferences are in this order:

1. MWC
2. CUSA
3. SunBelt
4. WAC
5. MAC

Even though CUSA is behind the MWC on the playing field as of right now, they have some qualities that the MWC simply doesnt have. What I'm talking about is the Markets. One could make the argument that when its all said and done that the MAC could move ahead of the WAC if the WAC survives.

(08-28-2010 06:19 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 01:46 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 12:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 10:34 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]It wouldn't be a normal day on this board or any other conference board if some jerk didn't come on and post an outrageous rumor.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=449472

Outrageous rumor? This isnt some outrageous rumor. Actually its been talked about quite a bit on this board the last week or so. There were several articles with quotes from the commisioners from both conferences stating that a merger or partnership type deal was being talked about between the two conferences.

You're right WVUeer. This is getting more and more interesting. . . . . .

I think what it comes down to is the fact that the BCS is getting some pressure on them from various directions including from the political level. So what does the BCS do to ease the talk? Its simple......you take the two best non-AQ leagues, allow the champion of each league to play each other for the chance to play in a BCS game. Will it be one of the more presitgious BCS bowl games that the champion advances too? Probably not. But it would be a BCS bowl that those schools could make it to. I have no problem with that. In recent years the MWC has been better in football but you have to remember that CUSA has some very good markets they are in that could help maximize the two of them. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Exactly, the MWC has played the best football but C-USA has the far better markets. If you could combine those you could have a pretty good league and it looks like that is what they're doing.

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

Your post makes absolute no sense whatsoever. Why would the BCS tell the Big East to join something that doesn't even concern us? That would be like demanding that the Big 12 adds teams or join the merger. And why would C-USA expand past 12 teams by adding WAC and SBC teams?

Quick solution: Move the good football programs from the MWC to the cities of the bad C-USA programs.

Boise State to New Orleans, etc.

(08-28-2010 08:09 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

Your post makes absolute no sense whatsoever. Why would the BCS tell the Big East to join something that doesn't even concern us? That would be like demanding that the Big 12 adds teams or join the merger. And why would C-USA expand past 12 teams by adding WAC and SBC teams?

I think the poster is saying that for instance if ECU and Marshall left for the BE, that C-USA would be inclined to stay at 10 instead of backfilling with SB schools.

(08-28-2010 08:03 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:19 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 01:46 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 12:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 10:34 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]It wouldn't be a normal day on this board or any other conference board if some jerk didn't come on and post an outrageous rumor.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=449472

Outrageous rumor? This isnt some outrageous rumor. Actually its been talked about quite a bit on this board the last week or so. There were several articles with quotes from the commisioners from both conferences stating that a merger or partnership type deal was being talked about between the two conferences.

You're right WVUeer. This is getting more and more interesting. . . . . .

I think what it comes down to is the fact that the BCS is getting some pressure on them from various directions including from the political level. So what does the BCS do to ease the talk? Its simple......you take the two best non-AQ leagues, allow the champion of each league to play each other for the chance to play in a BCS game. Will it be one of the more presitgious BCS bowl games that the champion advances too? Probably not. But it would be a BCS bowl that those schools could make it to. I have no problem with that. In recent years the MWC has been better in football but you have to remember that CUSA has some very good markets they are in that could help maximize the two of them. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Exactly, the MWC has played the best football but C-USA has the far better markets. If you could combine those you could have a pretty good league and it looks like that is what they're doing.

I think you are exactly right CatsClaw. If that indeed ends up being the case, it would be a smart move on their part. Just take a look at how the football schools in general would look on paper:

1. Boise St.
2. Houston
3. ECU
4. TCU
5. Marshall
6. Soutern Miss
7. SMU
8. BYU
9. Air Force


Those teams right there alone have had some good football success at the Mid Major level at some point. Obviously there are more than that in those two conferences but those are the ones that I can think of off the top of my head with some football success.

This might sound crazy but we've all heard this "super conference" talk and how its going to be the norm in the near future.......Wouldnt it be something if these two come together and create the first "super conference". I would never have guessed that they would be the first. I would have guessed the Big Ten or Sec but its looking possible that it could end up being the collaboration of these two conferences that create the first superconference. IMO, it would be a no brainer on their part especially if the BCS people are open to the idea which apparantly they are.


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(08-28-2010 09:12 PM)UABGrad Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 08:09 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

Your post makes absolute no sense whatsoever. Why would the BCS tell the Big East to join something that doesn't even concern us? That would be like demanding that the Big 12 adds teams or join the merger. And why would C-USA expand past 12 teams by adding WAC and SBC teams?

I think the poster is saying that for instance if ECU and Marshall left for the BE, that C-USA would be inclined to stay at 10 instead of backfilling with SB schools.

Well, maybe I am misunderstanding it. The way I took it is that he is articulating a scenario where the BCS is advising the BE to add teams or else join the MWC/CUSA setup which makes no sense to me. Maybe Airport will come back on and explain if we are indeed taking it wrong.

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(08-28-2010 07:30 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

What gives you any idea that we would ever be told to join a MWC/CUSA merger? You lost me on that one.

What makes ANYONE think the other BCS conferences will make rules such that another BCS conference MUST include a bunch of non-BCS schools to keep their BCS AQ status. That's stupidity at its finest...

(08-28-2010 09:12 PM)UABGrad Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 08:09 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

Your post makes absolute no sense whatsoever. Why would the BCS tell the Big East to join something that doesn't even concern us? That would be like demanding that the Big 12 adds teams or join the merger. And why would C-USA expand past 12 teams by adding WAC and SBC teams?

I think the poster is saying that for instance if ECU and Marshall left for the BE, that C-USA would be inclined to stay at 10 instead of backfilling with SB schools.

No, he was saying that the Big East would be "threatened" by the BCS to expand or be thrown into the non-BCS pot, which is ridiculous.

(08-29-2010 09:03 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 07:30 PM)WVUeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

What gives you any idea that we would ever be told to join a MWC/CUSA merger? You lost me on that one.

What makes ANYONE think the other BCS conferences will make rules such that another BCS conference MUST include a bunch of non-BCS schools to keep their BCS AQ status. That's stupidity at its finest...

For some reason it's hard for some of these posters to believe that the Big East is a powerbroker in the BCS as well. To them, they don't think the Big East deserves a BCS bid so they assume that all of the BCS conferences feel the same which is obviously not true and it's just their bias showing through on this subject.

(08-29-2010 10:10 AM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 09:12 PM)UABGrad Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 08:09 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-28-2010 06:43 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]What if the BE is then told well you better add some more teams by the BCS or join the MWC/CUSA merger? That could really make things funky.

Also I think for the WAC/SBC schools looking to maybe join CUSA that a merger would be bad news for them because if anybody from the MWC/CUSA left they would just contract from 22-24 teams to 18-20 teams. There would be no reason to let anyone else into the party.

Your post makes absolute no sense whatsoever. Why would the BCS tell the Big East to join something that doesn't even concern us? That would be like demanding that the Big 12 adds teams or join the merger. And why would C-USA expand past 12 teams by adding WAC and SBC teams?

I think the poster is saying that for instance if ECU and Marshall left for the BE, that C-USA would be inclined to stay at 10 instead of backfilling with SB schools.

No, he was saying that the Big East would be "threatened" by the BCS to expand or be thrown into the non-BCS pot, which is ridiculous.

Yes, this is a ridiculous notion. The LAST thing that other conferences want to do it to set a precedent about how members a conference needs to have, etc. They all want COMPLETE autonomy over that issue and it would be disingenuous for the other BCS conferences to all of the sudden tell the Big East to expand. If anything, the BCS conferences want to keep the club as small as possible since they don't want "undesirable" schools to make it to BCS bowls (which is bad for ratings and, therefore, bad for the BCS TV contracts).

As a college football fan, what I really like about the idea of the MWC/CUSA alliance for AQ is that these two leagues can function as the new criteria for inclusion into the BCS. Maybe an unbeaten MAC or Sun Belt team can still qualify, but that would just be a one hit wonder type of deal.

Two additional leagues brings lots of programs. As the conference re-alignment continues at the top, this alliance can provide some consistency in the middle. If a team or two gets picked up, then the MWC or CUSA can add a replacement thats warranted based on their performance at the lower level. The Sun Belt/MAC/WAC can be the entry level leagues into D-1...once you have succeeded at that level and can show a real committment based on either facilities/attendance or both, then you can move into the alliance.