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Would you guys be in favor of a football championship game for your conference? Just wondering. My personal take is that it would be on tv and more exposure can only be good.

I hear it would cost more than it's worth right now. Maybe in a few years.

(08-24-2010 06:05 PM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]Would you guys be in favor of a football championship game for your conference? Just wondering. My personal take is that it would be on tv and more exposure can only be good.

No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

I'd rather win a championship game and a bowl game than just a bowl game.

(08-24-2010 09:33 PM)UNTFlyer Wrote: [ -> ]I'd rather win a championship game and a bowl game than just a bowl game.

A BCS bowl game ain't just a bowl game and a good game or especially a win would do more for this conference than just about anything.

I'm anti-title game but if you have 12 there is no other decent way to declare a champ. Skipping one team, I can live with but even with a 9 game slate you are skipping 2 in a 12 team league

LSU got to play in the national championship because of winning the SEC championship game. its a huge boost in strength of schedule at the most important time. Plus it reinforces just how good your team is to the members voting in the polls which is a good % of the bcs ranking system. If you cant win your conference championship in a lower ranked conference you dont deserve a bcs game.

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

That's not true. If you're in the top 12, you have a shot at the BCS, now I'm not sure exactly how it works, I think the BCS only has to take one non-AQ in the top 12 and Utah was ahead of them, so maybe they wouldn't have been taken, but they had a BCS resume before losing the MAC title game.

(08-25-2010 10:58 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

That's not true. If you're in the top 12, you have a shot at the BCS, now I'm not sure exactly how it works, I think the BCS only has to take one non-AQ in the top 12 and Utah was ahead of them, so maybe they wouldn't have been taken, but they had a BCS resume before losing the MAC title game.

There was no way they could have passed Utah with their sos. The BCS does not have to take a non-AQ unless they are so high in the BCS standings. I'm not against Ball St. or anybody going to BCS games because I think it is great. But I do think Ball St. would have been exsposed like Hawaii instead of being able to win like TCU, Boise, and Utah have done.

BYU is talking with the WCC now says the BYU insider on the MWC board. So When they go, I propose that the MWC take Hawaii and Utah St. since Houston won't want to join and that the SBC takes NMSU and La Tech. La Tech can get 4th in the SBC and you guys can pick on them even more for saying they're above you. The bad thing is Idaho will be Indy for a couple of years then likely be readmitted to the Big Sky and SJSU will drop football and rejoin the Big West. This would also prevent UTSA, Texas St., CA schools and Montana from joining FBS which sucks for me since I like schools to move up and conf. to expand within reason i.e. 12 schools.

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

The rule for the BCS says "highest rated conference champion rated 12 or better". Until losing to Buffalo, Ball State was #12 in the BCS. They had that part down. What would have blocked them is that two conferences champions (Boise and Utah) were rated better than 12.

If Ball State had made it to a BCS bowl it would have been a worse ass-kicking than the Hawaii-Georgia fiasco. No matter who they would have played.

Hell, look at what Tulsa did to them in the GMAC.

(08-25-2010 11:41 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote: [ -> ]If Ball State had made it to a BCS bowl it would have been a worse ass-kicking than the Hawaii-Georgia fiasco. No matter who they would have played.

Hell, look at what Tulsa did to them in the GMAC.

Check still would have cleared.

(08-26-2010 07:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 11:41 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote: [ -> ]If Ball State had made it to a BCS bowl it would have been a worse ass-kicking than the Hawaii-Georgia fiasco. No matter who they would have played.

Hell, look at what Tulsa did to them in the GMAC.

Check still would have cleared.

Obviously. I was talking about football...on the field.

(08-25-2010 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

The rule for the BCS says "highest rated conference champion rated 12 or better". Until losing to Buffalo, Ball State was #12 in the BCS. They had that part down. What would have blocked them is that two conferences champions (Boise and Utah) were rated better than 12.

exactly, and there was no way Ball St. was passing those two.

(08-26-2010 11:48 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 07:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote: [ -> ]No, it'd would be a disaster if a Sun Belt team had an excellent season, undefeated or 11-1, ranked, and lost a meaningless championship game, to go to the New Orleans bowl if there was a chance to go to a BC$ bowl.

Absolutely not.

Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

The rule for the BCS says "highest rated conference champion rated 12 or better". Until losing to Buffalo, Ball State was #12 in the BCS. They had that part down. What would have blocked them is that two conferences champions (Boise and Utah) were rated better than 12.

exactly, and there was no way Ball St. was passing those two.

You're missing the point, Ball State still had a BCS bowl resume that year, despite not playing anyone, until their MAC title game loss. You are correct in saying they would not have gone to a BCS bowl due to Boise and Utah being ahead of them, but what if they hadn't been? If Boise and Utah had both dropped just one game somewhere along the way, Ball State would have been BCS bound until losing that MAC title game.

(08-26-2010 12:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-26-2010 11:48 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 03:08 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ]Which is why some MAC fans still hate on Buffalo for beating a 12-0, #12 ranked Ball St squad for the MAC title. Never before did they chalk up a championship as a 'fluke' so much, and as a detriment to the conference since they thought BSU had a chance at a BCS game.

Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

The rule for the BCS says "highest rated conference champion rated 12 or better". Until losing to Buffalo, Ball State was #12 in the BCS. They had that part down. What would have blocked them is that two conferences champions (Boise and Utah) were rated better than 12.

exactly, and there was no way Ball St. was passing those two.

You're missing the point, Ball State still had a BCS bowl resume that year, despite not playing anyone, until their MAC title game loss. You are correct in saying they would not have gone to a BCS bowl due to Boise and Utah being ahead of them, but what if they hadn't been? If Boise and Utah had both dropped just one game somewhere along the way, Ball State would have been BCS bound until losing that MAC title game.

What I am wondering is now that the MWC has Boise State, TCU, Fresno, Nevada and let's say BYU stays and they add Houston, how will any team qualify for a BCS birth? It is very unlikely that any team will go undefeated in conference and their top team will likely have at least 1 or 2 losses. Add to that the OOC BCS games they will play and that means the conference's top teams will likely have 1-3 losses. Since they are not a BCS conference already, they just diluted their national standing. Houston just might be going from a top C-USA school to a middle of the pack MWC school. Will loading up with top programs help the MWC achieve a BCS conference birth or hurt their chances given the scenario I just painted?

(08-26-2010 01:20 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-26-2010 12:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-26-2010 11:48 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2010 09:51 AM)stc Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah but Ball St. had no shot at a bcs game. They had literally played nobody. One of the easiest slate of games in the country. You have to atleast play one or two big out of conference games to have a shot. Most Sunbelt, CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams play atleast one or two big games. The MAC has teams that don't always follow that mold.

The rule for the BCS says "highest rated conference champion rated 12 or better". Until losing to Buffalo, Ball State was #12 in the BCS. They had that part down. What would have blocked them is that two conferences champions (Boise and Utah) were rated better than 12.

exactly, and there was no way Ball St. was passing those two.

You're missing the point, Ball State still had a BCS bowl resume that year, despite not playing anyone, until their MAC title game loss. You are correct in saying they would not have gone to a BCS bowl due to Boise and Utah being ahead of them, but what if they hadn't been? If Boise and Utah had both dropped just one game somewhere along the way, Ball State would have been BCS bound until losing that MAC title game.

What I am wondering is now that the MWC has Boise State, TCU, Fresno, Nevada and let's say BYU stays and they add Houston, how will any team qualify for a BCS birth? It is very unlikely that any team will go undefeated in conference and their top team will likely have at least 1 or 2 losses. Add to that the OOC BCS games they will play and that means the conference's top teams will likely have 1-3 losses. Since they are not a BCS conference already, they just diluted their national standing. Houston just might be going from a top C-USA school to a middle of the pack MWC school. Will loading up with top programs help the MWC achieve a BCS conference birth or hurt their chances given the scenario I just painted?

It's a double edged sword, in order to acquire AQ status, you need to make your conference as strong as possible, but it also probably helps to still have one team stronger than the rest to be crashing the BCS until you can get AQ status. Arkstfan can probably answer your question better than I can though...