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For those of you complaining about BE's conference leadership...take a look at this.

http://deseretnews.com/article/700059600...-over.html

That is an interesting article. In fact, the MWC did basically the same thing that the BE did back in the early 2000s - they trivialized the concerns of conference members. Now, the MWC is seeing the same thing happen to it with Utah and BYU leaving for situations that favor their individual schools. In fact, BSU is the "UL of the West" while Fresno and Nevada are playing the UC and USF of the group.

(08-24-2010 07:59 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]That is an interesting article. In fact, the MWC did basically the same thing that the BE did back in the early 2000s - they trivialized the concerns of conference members. Now, the MWC is seeing the same thing happen to it with Utah and BYU leaving for situations that favor their individual schools. In fact, BSU is the "UL of the West" while Fresno and Nevada are playing the UC and USF of the group.

Good analogy. And this illustrates why I always laugh at those who criticized Miami, VT and Boston College for leaving the Big East. Same thing with BYU; you can't blame them for wanting out of that trainwreck.

(08-24-2010 06:49 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]For those of you complaining about BE's conference leadership...take a look at this.

http://deseretnews.com/article/700059600...-over.html

Good article....shows how its TV $$$$ (or lack of it) which is behind ALL of the decisions regarding future conf membership for schools all over the country.

There are some schools and conf working on expanding and grabbing up tons of new TV $$$$...while there are others that are sitting idly by watching the rich get richer.

I wouldn't necessarily compare Boise to UL. We have been around for quiet some time mainly due to basketball and partially football. Boise is doing it purely on football and no other sports on or off the field. If you are talking football only and only a short time frame within the BCS years, then yes there are comparisons there.

(08-24-2010 10:26 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't necessarily compare Boise to UL. We have been around for quiet some time mainly due to basketball and partially football. Boise is doing it purely on football and no other sports on or off the field. If you are talking football only and only a short time frame within the BCS years, then yes there are comparisons there.

No offense intended. I was comparing the Petrino years of UL football to the recent success that BSU has been seeing over the past few years. BSU is one football coach departure away from going back to mediocre, right?

(08-24-2010 10:34 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 10:26 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't necessarily compare Boise to UL. We have been around for quiet some time mainly due to basketball and partially football. Boise is doing it purely on football and no other sports on or off the field. If you are talking football only and only a short time frame within the BCS years, then yes there are comparisons there.

No offense intended. I was comparing the Petrino years of UL football to the recent success that BSU has been seeing over the past few years. BSU is one football coach departure away from going back to mediocre, right?

Well they have never been mediocre throughout there entire history in 1A. Their worst record ever was the 01 season when they were 8-4. Also their success has stretched beyond just 1 coach. They have had 3 coaches leave for bigger programs, Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, and Dan Hawkins, and have still managed to remain very good and in fact reach greater heights with each new coach.

(08-24-2010 10:34 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 10:26 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't necessarily compare Boise to UL. We have been around for quiet some time mainly due to basketball and partially football. Boise is doing it purely on football and no other sports on or off the field. If you are talking football only and only a short time frame within the BCS years, then yes there are comparisons there.

No offense intended. I was comparing the Petrino years of UL football to the recent success that BSU has been seeing over the past few years. BSU is one football coach departure away from going back to mediocre, right?

Touche....As is Pitt 1990's and parts of 2000's right? Tough to remember the past I guess.

Boise has gotten it done under Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, Dan Hawins and now Chris Petersen. They know what they're doing when it comes to hiring coaches.

Almost any school is one bad hire from mediocrity. What else is new?

Penn State needs to be careful after JoePa leaves. It's hard to follow a legend. Usually, it's best to be the man hired to replace the man who replaced the legend...

We'll find out shortly whether FSU made a good choice or not. I think Jimbo will do okay. But I doubt he'll match Bobby's early success. And I'm sure that's what the folks at FSU expect. He's got himself a tough road to hoe...

(08-24-2010 12:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Almost any school is one bad hire from mediocrity. What else is new?

Penn State needs to be careful after JoePa leaves. It's hard to follow a legend. Usually, it's best to be the man hired to replace the man who replaced the legend...

We'll find out shortly whether FSU made a good choice or not. I think Jimbo will do okay. But I doubt he'll match Bobby's early success. And I'm sure that's what the folks at FSU expect. He's got himself a tough road to hoe...

Don't know that anyone can duplicate the early success of Paterno or Bowden because as independents "back in the day" they usually didn't play tough schedules. Penn State, in particular, can't compare a Big Ten slate today to those schedules PSU played in the 1970s, which were just as soft as the schedules Boise State has been playing during their run of 10-win seasons.

(08-24-2010 11:23 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 10:34 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 10:26 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't necessarily compare Boise to UL. We have been around for quiet some time mainly due to basketball and partially football. Boise is doing it purely on football and no other sports on or off the field. If you are talking football only and only a short time frame within the BCS years, then yes there are comparisons there.

No offense intended. I was comparing the Petrino years of UL football to the recent success that BSU has been seeing over the past few years. BSU is one football coach departure away from going back to mediocre, right?

Touche....As is Pitt 1990's and parts of 2000's right? Tough to remember the past I guess.

Yep, same thing happened to Pitt in the early 90s during the Hackett era. This is one of the common themes that Pitt and UL share. I remember our past quite well. At least now UL fans won't be so quick to ridicule Pitt for "not carrying the BE" because UL is now in the same boat and can be equally ridiculed for not doing it's share of carrying the BE.

(08-24-2010 12:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Almost any school is one bad hire from mediocrity. What else is new?

Penn State needs to be careful after JoePa leaves. It's hard to follow a legend. Usually, it's best to be the man hired to replace the man who replaced the legend...

We'll find out shortly whether FSU made a good choice or not. I think Jimbo will do okay. But I doubt he'll match Bobby's early success. And I'm sure that's what the folks at FSU expect. He's got himself a tough road to hoe...

Penn State will end up with either Tom Bradley (I think this is smart because by many accounts a very large portion of the duties of running the program already fall to him plus he can be an "interim" guy for 8 to 10 years) or Al Golden.

Now I've heard something from a very very good source that Paterno is retiring after this season and that they've already reached out to Schiano to gauge his interest. He's already told them thanks but no thanks. My source has no reputation on the Penn State side of things, but I'd take it to the bank as anything they tell me that pertains to Schiano. I've actually alluded to this a couple of times over the last few weeks, but until now I've refrained from saying it outright.

(08-24-2010 12:11 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Penn State, in particular, can't compare a Big Ten slate today to those schedules PSU played in the 1970s, which were just as soft as the schedules Boise State has been playing during their run of 10-win seasons.

Actually I just looked it up almost every single one of its 1970s seasons were just as intense maybe more so than their current Big Ten slate.

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/PennState.htm

We'll find out whether or not your source has any rep left after the season ends, won't we?

(08-24-2010 12:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]We'll find out whether or not your source has any rep left after the season ends, won't we?

Yup, I'm confident on the latter part being the case because of who they are. Just not 100% on the part 1.

(08-24-2010 12:21 PM)brista21 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2010 12:11 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Penn State, in particular, can't compare a Big Ten slate today to those schedules PSU played in the 1970s, which were just as soft as the schedules Boise State has been playing during their run of 10-win seasons.

Actually I just looked it up almost every single one of its 1970s seasons were just as intense maybe more so than their current Big Ten slate.

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/PennState.htm

Maybe that's supposed to be a dig at the Big Ten, but if you're being serious, I don't agree. Those '70s schedules had Army and Navy almost every year when both were slumping, and Temple most years, and two or three ACC teams at a time when ACC football was no better than the WAC. They were playing only one or two top-notch teams a season -- just like Boise does now.

If BYU goes indy and plays real teams they'll be 8-4 and never make a BCS bowl. If they play sucky teams they'll go 11-1 and be on the cusp of getting a BCS game. Hmmm sounds similar to the current MWC and WAC.

(08-24-2010 12:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Usually, it's best to be the man hired to replace the man who replaced the legend...

That's the same thing my dad said. Of course at Ohio State that meant John Cooper, who is not exactly fondly remembered as a success story.

Although not practical, I like a "Best of the Rest" Option to create a western focused league that mixes the strongest available football/basketball programs, good rivalries and markets that could compete as the 7th BCS conference:

TCU -strong football/baseball, Texas recruiting, rival for UH
UH - good football, Texas recruiting, rival for TCU
BYU - strong football/basketball, SLC market, national following
UNM - good basketball, Flagship state school, brings all of NM
AFA - good football, strong academics,appeal of a Service Academy
CSU - Keeps market presence in Denver, largest mkt in MTNTZ, rival for WY
BSU - Strong Football, rival for wyo
WYO - rival for CSU/bsu, decent football
FSU - Good football/baseball, Cali recruiting, rival for SDSU
SDSU - ok basketball, rival for fresno, cali recruiting
UNLV - good basketball, keeps Vegas presence, rival for UNR
UNR -good basketball, ok football, seals up NV, rival for UNLV