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(08-18-2010 12:02 PM)wmu2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5473151

This is very fascinating.

Genius in some ways.

A shot in the arm for the WAC, in non-football sports.

And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:02 PM)wmu2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5473151

This is very fascinating.

Genius in some ways.

A shot in the arm for the WAC, in non-football sports.

And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

This obviously hurts the MWC's AQ quest greatly if it comes to pass (its looking 75% certain at this point). There is no way that BYU can pick up any significant TV money in the MWC with the PAC-12 now in the Salt Lake City market so marketing national as an Indy is a logical way to go.

It could help with the lawsuit and a guaranteed automatic berth to the highest finishing non-AQ school.

The MWC is looking at Houston and UTEP as potential replacements for 2012. The conference still has an outside chance at landing an AQ bid if Houston rolls through CUSA in 10 and 11 before joining the MWC.

-That would open up a spot in CUSA, likely for our favorite school Temple which would benefit in the CUSA structure.

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

Why a slam dunk?

BYU getting an "Notre Dame solo option" would also shut up that Utah senator who was raging against the BCS - Utah is in the PAC-10 now.
The majority of his constituents would be content.

(08-18-2010 12:50 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:02 PM)wmu2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5473151

This is very fascinating.

Genius in some ways.

A shot in the arm for the WAC, in non-football sports.

And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

This obviously hurts the MWC's AQ quest greatly if it comes to pass (its looking 75% certain at this point). There is no way that BYU can pick up any significant TV money in the MWC with the PAC-12 now in the Salt Lake City market so marketing national as an Indy is a logical way to go.

It could help with the lawsuit and a guaranteed automatic berth to the highest finishing non-AQ school.

The MWC is looking at Houston and UTEP as potential replacements for 2012. The conference still has an outside chance at landing an AQ bid if Houston rolls through CUSA in 10 and 11 before joining the MWC.

-That would open up a spot in CUSA, likely for our favorite school Temple which would benefit in the CUSA structure.

Only problem is that C-USA is not likely to take Temple for just football. If they say all sports or nothing, I'm not sure Temple would take it. Why move other sports to C-USA when the ultimate goal is the BE and they could still get to the BE from the MAC. I think if C-USA loses anyone and looks to add someone, either a SBC school or possibly a couple of other MAC schools are more likely than Temple......because of the all sports debate.

(08-18-2010 01:38 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

Why a slam dunk?

I agree with MacLord.

BYU's tradition in their football program, having one a national championship in the 80's, gives them the advantage. The BCS can't say that you don't have the historical signifiance. Sure, ND has more tradition, but BYU (except for maybe TCU and Army/Navy) has the best tradition of a non-bcs school and I would think that would win them any lawsuit.

Quote:Brigham Young University will leave the Mountain West Conference, go independent in football and rejoin the Western Athletic Conference in all non-football sports beginning in the fall of 2011, The Salt Lake Tribune confirmed Wednesday morning.

According to a source in the WAC office, BYU will seek final approval for the moves from its owner, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, either today or Thursday. Pending approval, a press conference is planned for early next week. But because of media reports that broke late Tuesday night, that timetable may change.

“In light of the media leaks, it may be expedited a bit,” the source told The Tribune.

BYU’s move to leave the MWC, become a football independent and rejoin the WAC — which it belonged to for nearly four decades before departing with Utah and six other schools to joint the Mountain West — has been in the works for the past month, according to the source

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/501...e.html.csp

(08-18-2010 02:51 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:50 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:02 PM)wmu2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5473151

This is very fascinating.

Genius in some ways.

A shot in the arm for the WAC, in non-football sports.

And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

This obviously hurts the MWC's AQ quest greatly if it comes to pass (its looking 75% certain at this point). There is no way that BYU can pick up any significant TV money in the MWC with the PAC-12 now in the Salt Lake City market so marketing national as an Indy is a logical way to go.

It could help with the lawsuit and a guaranteed automatic berth to the highest finishing non-AQ school.

The MWC is looking at Houston and UTEP as potential replacements for 2012. The conference still has an outside chance at landing an AQ bid if Houston rolls through CUSA in 10 and 11 before joining the MWC.

-That would open up a spot in CUSA, likely for our favorite school Temple which would benefit in the CUSA structure.

Only problem is that C-USA is not likely to take Temple for just football. If they say all sports or nothing, I'm not sure Temple would take it. Why move other sports to C-USA when the ultimate goal is the BE and they could still get to the BE from the MAC. I think if C-USA loses anyone and looks to add someone, either a SBC school or possibly a couple of other MAC schools are more likely than Temple......because of the all sports debate.

The latest rumor has BYU going Indy and Air Force possibly following as basketball members in the WAC.

The MWC has officially got a problem on its hands.....only 6 schools will have been in the MWC 6 years or more (SDSU, UNLV, CSU, WY, UNM, TCU). If the MWC loses any one of those school they lose their NCAA autobid.

The WAC would be 8 in FB, 10 in basketball w/ AFA/BYU. To prevent more schools leaving for the WAC, the MWC will most likely look toward the WAC.

Nevada and Utah St. despite the hits taken by the MWC and the buyout fee would probably move if offered to the MWC as its lower travel costs (no Hawaii or LaTech). That would bridge the geography together for the MWC, they need to have a Utah school involved.

The WAC then would no longer have enough schools to field a football conference.

If WAC schools won't move to the MWC than the MWC will have to convince Texas schools to join which may also not be possible.

CUSA may end up courting TCU, New Mexico, and Colorado State to join their conference. I don't think they'll be looking at SBC or MAC schools when they can land some bigger fish (TCU football, UNM basketball).

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Show me 1 of your supposed "rumors" that has ever played out!!! New Mexico and East Carolina WTF?? Have you no pride?

(08-18-2010 02:54 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 01:38 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

Why a slam dunk?

I agree with MacLord.

BYU's tradition in their football program, having one a national championship in the 80's, gives them the advantage. The BCS can't say that you don't have the historical signifiance. Sure, ND has more tradition, but BYU (except for maybe TCU and Army/Navy) has the best tradition of a non-bcs school and I would think that would win them any lawsuit.

You're running contrary to yourself here. Since Army has as much "tradition" as ND, and they don't get a special deal, that will work against BYU.

Better to point out that BYU has tradition since the change to Div IA, and some of the scholarship reductions. That's how they parallel ND.

Seems like the lawsuit is critical here. Otherwise I don't see the advantage for BYU. The MWC has a real shot at the AQ to the BCS...BYU has to be assured of something better to leave.

The whole situation plays out like a bad soap opera

BYU believes it's in line for the PAC10 expansion, and probably already received its blessing from the very institution that scuttled its chances the Church of LDS... Meanwhile Boisie St takes the bait to move into the MWC to effectively create a new BCS conference w/ BYU, Utah, and TCU. It must have been pretty interesting as Utah sat there in discussions knowing it would probably leave and BYU "knowing" it would as well. Then the unthinkable happens and only Utah is selected. No problem, it's all good with TCU, BYU and BSU still in play. Except BYU is upset their sister was already sleeping with the phd down the street. So what's the jilted party to do? Throw a fit, slap everyone across the face, storm out of the room and try to go to the ball all by herself

Basically put, this is what it is, a selfless attempt by BYU to regain some precieved grandeur that it imagined it once had, and when it doesn't come that fall will hit even harder! (Anyone doubt they courted the b12 first?)

(08-18-2010 04:11 PM)WallyB Wrote: [ -> ]Show me 1 of your supposed "rumors" that has ever played out!!! New Mexico and East Carolina WTF?? Have you no pride?

I was on early with the idea of Nebraska going to the Big Ten as the 12th school a few years ago. I also thought it would make more sense for the PAC-10 to consider Texas first before settling with Colordao/Utah which they did.

Sounds like after BYU is hitting the road next will be AFA. The MWC is toast. Boise can go back to the WAC if i wants with no penalty. UNLV/SDSU are rumored back to WAC.

That leaves Wyoming, CSU, TCU, New Mexico to figure it out and CUSA has already assured TCU that they can come back if they want. New Mexico will want in CUSA with UTEP already there.

I'm less sure about what will happen to Colorado State and Wyoming as they may want to go as a pair somewhere.

(08-18-2010 04:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 02:54 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 01:38 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

Why a slam dunk?

I agree with MacLord.

BYU's tradition in their football program, having one a national championship in the 80's, gives them the advantage. The BCS can't say that you don't have the historical signifiance. Sure, ND has more tradition, but BYU (except for maybe TCU and Army/Navy) has the best tradition of a non-bcs school and I would think that would win them any lawsuit.

You're running contrary to yourself here. Since Army has as much "tradition" as ND, and they don't get a special deal, that will work against BYU.

Better to point out that BYU has tradition since the change to Div IA, and some of the scholarship reductions. That's how they parallel ND.

Seems like the lawsuit is critical here. Otherwise I don't see the advantage for BYU. The MWC has a real shot at the AQ to the BCS...BYU has to be assured of something better to leave.

Its all about money and BYU will be able to make a ton more with its TV networks than being part of the MWC. The potential of the MWC was greater with both major Utah schools in the fold but now the networks will refuse to pay the MWC for the Salt Lake market since Utah is carrying that for the BCS in the PAC-10.

As far as the non-revenue sports go and basketball, a WAC with BYU would be just as profitable as a MWC with BYU.

BYU will be entitled to a full 6 million dollar share as a BCS at-large participant just like ND. The only other thing is that ND is getting 1.3 million every year from the BCS, equivalent to a non-AQ conference base share and I can't see how BYU is entitled to that.

That isn't equitable treatment and will lead ultmately for pushes to make the system equitable across all Independents and non-AQ and an automatic bid for each group.

(08-18-2010 04:47 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 04:11 PM)WallyB Wrote: [ -> ]Show me 1 of your supposed "rumors" that has ever played out!!! New Mexico and East Carolina WTF?? Have you no pride?

I was on early with the idea of Nebraska going to the Big Ten as the 12th school a few years ago. I also thought it would make more sense for the PAC-10 to consider Texas first before settling with Colordao/Utah which they did.

Sounds like after BYU is hitting the road next will be AFA. The MWC is toast. Boise can go back to the WAC if i wants with no penalty. UNLV/SDSU are rumored back to WAC.

That leaves Wyoming, CSU, TCU, New Mexico to figure it out and CUSA has already assured TCU that they can come back if they want. New Mexico will want in CUSA with UTEP already there.

I'm less sure about what will happen to Colorado State and Wyoming as they may want to go as a pair somewhere.

mmm hmmm mmm hmmmmm yeah, but what about the other teams that you were early on about for the b10? can't call all of them!

Seriously though, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO sense to break up the conference closest to attaining BCS status, let alone have the best teams individually filter back to their old conferences that have NO CHANCE! I call POWER PLAY pure and simple, and this is where stubborn mormon pride gets in the way of common sense New ? does ND ask the pope or diocese for permission to change athletic assoiations?

(08-18-2010 04:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 02:54 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 01:38 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

Why a slam dunk?

I agree with MacLord.

BYU's tradition in their football program, having one a national championship in the 80's, gives them the advantage. The BCS can't say that you don't have the historical signifiance. Sure, ND has more tradition, but BYU (except for maybe TCU and Army/Navy) has the best tradition of a non-bcs school and I would think that would win them any lawsuit.

You're running contrary to yourself here. Since Army has as much "tradition" as ND, and they don't get a special deal, that will work against BYU.

In theory I see your point, but the answer is "not really." Army is not a factor today, despite the history, and therefore has never even thought about a lawsuit. That said, if Navy and Army wanted to be in the same situation as ND and filed a lawsuit.....they would have a pretty strong case for some sort of inclusion. Problem is, neither school really wins enough or has a tough enough SOS to make it without upgrading their schedule. It's not like they are playing USC, Michigan, Boston College, Michigan State, etc. With 9 or 10 wins (whatever ND's agreement is), Notre Dame is ranked high enough due to their SOS and current prestige in the eyes of the pollsters. Army and Navy are not. Heck, nothing against the MAC but Army tends to play 2 or 3 MAC schools a year, and other non-AQ schools as well.

If BYU went Independent, they would obviously be okay with the current prestige in the eyes of the pollsters, and there is not reason to think they won't schedule good enough to have a good SOS.

(08-18-2010 04:47 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 04:11 PM)WallyB Wrote: [ -> ]Show me 1 of your supposed "rumors" that has ever played out!!! New Mexico and East Carolina WTF?? Have you no pride?

I was on early with the idea of Nebraska going to the Big Ten as the 12th school a few years ago.

The reason that KC has been right about expansion rumors is because he has already suggested nearly every type of expansion possible.

(08-18-2010 05:00 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 04:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 02:54 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 01:38 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 12:24 PM)MacLord Wrote: [ -> ]And BYU goes independent, sets up their TV deal, then a lawsuit is a slam dunk for why ND would be included as a solo option in BCS and not BYU.

Why a slam dunk?

I agree with MacLord.

BYU's tradition in their football program, having one a national championship in the 80's, gives them the advantage. The BCS can't say that you don't have the historical signifiance. Sure, ND has more tradition, but BYU (except for maybe TCU and Army/Navy) has the best tradition of a non-bcs school and I would think that would win them any lawsuit.

You're running contrary to yourself here. Since Army has as much "tradition" as ND, and they don't get a special deal, that will work against BYU.

Better to point out that BYU has tradition since the change to Div IA, and some of the scholarship reductions. That's how they parallel ND.

Seems like the lawsuit is critical here. Otherwise I don't see the advantage for BYU. The MWC has a real shot at the AQ to the BCS...BYU has to be assured of something better to leave.

Its all about money and BYU will be able to make a ton more with its TV networks than being part of the MWC. The potential of the MWC was greater with both major Utah schools in the fold but now the networks will refuse to pay the MWC for the Salt Lake market since Utah is carrying that for the BCS in the PAC-10.

As far as the non-revenue sports go and basketball, a WAC with BYU would be just as profitable as a MWC with BYU.

BYU will be entitled to a full 6 million dollar share as a BCS at-large participant just like ND. The only other thing is that ND is getting 1.3 million every year from the BCS, equivalent to a non-AQ conference base share and I can't see how BYU is entitled to that.

That isn't equitable treatment and will lead ultmately for pushes to make the system equitable across all Independents and non-AQ and an automatic bid for each group.

Ahh yes, i remember Akrons glory days as a member of the MCC and independent in football.... the money just poured in

BYU does not equal Notre Dame period! They will NOT achieve BSC :bcs: status by simply going IND in football!....... but they are welcome to try! Thinking this will be the straw that breaks the BCS' back is pure fantasy!

(08-18-2010 05:05 PM)WallyB Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 04:47 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 04:11 PM)WallyB Wrote: [ -> ]Show me 1 of your supposed "rumors" that has ever played out!!! New Mexico and East Carolina WTF?? Have you no pride?

I was on early with the idea of Nebraska going to the Big Ten as the 12th school a few years ago. I also thought it would make more sense for the PAC-10 to consider Texas first before settling with Colordao/Utah which they did.

Sounds like after BYU is hitting the road next will be AFA. The MWC is toast. Boise can go back to the WAC if i wants with no penalty. UNLV/SDSU are rumored back to WAC.

That leaves Wyoming, CSU, TCU, New Mexico to figure it out and CUSA has already assured TCU that they can come back if they want. New Mexico will want in CUSA with UTEP already there.

I'm less sure about what will happen to Colorado State and Wyoming as they may want to go as a pair somewhere.

mmm hmmm mmm hmmmmm yeah, but what about the other teams that you were early on about for the b10? can't call all of them!

Seriously though, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO sense to break up the conference closest to attaining BCS status, let alone have the best teams individually filter back to their old conferences that have NO CHANCE! I call POWER PLAY pure and simple, and this is where stubborn mormon pride gets in the way of common sense New ? does ND ask the pope or diocese for permission to change athletic assoiations?

Nebraska was my original choice for the B10. I was updating names on here as rumors flew but I always thought they made more sense than Missouri and more likely than Notre Dame.

Why BYU is doing this now goes back to my other posts and threads about the history of TV deals, ect.......basically if you look at the fact that CUSA has shown no growth in TV revenue since its inception there is no way the MWC will be able to pick up a real deal with out sole ownership of 1 major market like it had with Salt Lake City.

In the early 90's the WAC, SWC, ACC, SEC, Big East all made the SAME amount of money for conference deals. The MWC and CUSA (former WAC, SWC for the mos part) are making basically the same amount of money as they were back 20 years ago. This is while the SEC and ACC have really taken off.

BYU had to go Indy with its own network and local deal if it wanted a shot at BCS level TV money (or even half as much).

Mormon ego is a part of it but only a very small factor.

(08-18-2010 05:16 PM)WallyB Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 05:00 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 04:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 02:54 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2010 01:38 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Why a slam dunk?

I agree with MacLord.

BYU's tradition in their football program, having one a national championship in the 80's, gives them the advantage. The BCS can't say that you don't have the historical signifiance. Sure, ND has more tradition, but BYU (except for maybe TCU and Army/Navy) has the best tradition of a non-bcs school and I would think that would win them any lawsuit.

You're running contrary to yourself here. Since Army has as much "tradition" as ND, and they don't get a special deal, that will work against BYU.

Better to point out that BYU has tradition since the change to Div IA, and some of the scholarship reductions. That's how they parallel ND.

Seems like the lawsuit is critical here. Otherwise I don't see the advantage for BYU. The MWC has a real shot at the AQ to the BCS...BYU has to be assured of something better to leave.

Its all about money and BYU will be able to make a ton more with its TV networks than being part of the MWC. The potential of the MWC was greater with both major Utah schools in the fold but now the networks will refuse to pay the MWC for the Salt Lake market since Utah is carrying that for the BCS in the PAC-10.

As far as the non-revenue sports go and basketball, a WAC with BYU would be just as profitable as a MWC with BYU.

BYU will be entitled to a full 6 million dollar share as a BCS at-large participant just like ND. The only other thing is that ND is getting 1.3 million every year from the BCS, equivalent to a non-AQ conference base share and I can't see how BYU is entitled to that.

That isn't equitable treatment and will lead ultmately for pushes to make the system equitable across all Independents and non-AQ and an automatic bid for each group.

Ahh yes, i remember Akrons glory days as a member of the MCC and independent in football.... the money just poured in

BYU does not equal Notre Dame period! They will NOT achieve BSC :bcs: status by simply going IND in football!....... but they are welcome to try! Thinking this will be the straw that breaks the BCS' back is pure fantasy!

-Akron is not a 65,000 plus type of program with a national championship in FBS and many top 25 finishes. Or is it the holy grail of schools for a major religion. Mormonism isn't as big as Catholcism overall but BYU is the major school for it period, not just in football.

-BYU already has its own network available on direct TV and the capacity to broadcast games in HD. A large subscriber base is already there.

-In this day and age BYU could really play a national schedule like ND. Many big names have played at Provo in the past. This is just not something a MAC school can pull off.

-BYU I expect has been thinking about going Independent since winning that national championship in 1984. The WAC and later MWC has always held BYU back from its potential.