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Okay, I have had a day to calm down and get over the fact that my personal e-mails were read on air. That hurt some people and caused some problems among friends.

My response yesterday was personal. I was mad. For those who care, I went back to the OP and deleted a couple of the personal insults to Wolken. I don't take back anything else I said, though.

I had not yet listened to the show, so I could not respond to points Wolken made. Today, I managed to listen to the archive, so here is my response:

Wolken's basic argument is that purported message board posters (mainly me), who pretend to be insiders, get the fan base all riled up for nothing, and then they are disappointed, and now won't look forward to playing Tulsa. He says this is emotional abuse, and says this makes the university look bad. His example was McMurphy clowning us for believing the rumors. Dan also implied this might hurt our chances of getting into the Big East, although Harry disagreed with him.

He implied that KSR might have gotten their info from my e-mail. He characterized my posts as a "lie, hoax, fabrication, bunch of crap." He accused Strat and me of "not denying the KSR rumor, and in fact (subtly) encouraging it."

He called my friends to whom I communicate by e-mail the Cult of 32, and then said he was not trying to make this personal. He was corrected by Harry and Roser, I think, whoever was there.

He then proceeded to read verbatim from various e-mails, saying this was raising false hopes, b/c I have no connections and don't know what I'm talking about, as he does. He also said I am not trained to be a professional.

He said I could not expect privacy if I sent an e-mail to 32 people, and that I gave up any right to it by saying I was going to leak info, anyway.

My points:

1. I never posted a word about conference expansion on here since sometime in late June, I think, certainly not for about 4 weeks. I did not post anything encouraging it, or discouraging it. I just didn't post about it.

2. I am not the one who posted the thread that we would be in the BE on August 3. That was Dak10, whom Wolken never mentioned. I have never posted that the BE was a done deal. And the last time the info was false, it was the Orlando TV reporter who said done deal, not me. "Done deal" threads in the past have been posted by several others, never me, yet Wolken kept implying it was me.

3. I am not Matt Jones of Kentucky Sports Radio, who made the report. Dan implied that e-mails like mine turn up in places like that. Hey, that is on KSR, not me. And if legit media pick it up, then that is on them, too.

4. Dan labeled my e-mail chain the "Cult of 32." Those are my personal friends, whom I know face-to-face and choose to associate with. In person. Our e-mails are no different than going to a bar together and talking Tiger sports, except they were PRIVATE. I have the right to say whatever I want to my friends, in private. I'm sure nobody in here, including Wolken, would want their private e-mails read aloud on local radio.

5. I do not purport to be an insider. I very clearly state my info is second hand, at best. I also qualify almost everything I post. But my info is also not from "the friend of a cousin of my uncle," or circular, as Wolken implied.

6. Dan kept harping on message boards, but all he read were my personal e-mails. Two different things. I posted nothing publicly to stir people up.

7. Dan says he would be pilloried if he put out info as I did. I'm not the CA beat writer. I think Wolken does not differentiate between newspaper articles and message boards. Big difference. Newspapers report facts. Message board posters discuss rumors, among other things.

8. Having Memphis fans excited b/c Dak10 and Matt Jones claimed Memphis to the BE is not going to prevent us from actually getting into the BE, if and when it ever happens. It is about money and many other things, not about how eager or gullible fans are to believe they are getting into a new conference.

9. I never said I was going to leak info for any purpose. That is wrong, and out of context to a description of others perhaps doing that.
There is not a single word of above that is false to the best of my knowledge.
Nope. That would all be true.
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Enough already...
Andy, in my view, you have always been very careful to indicate that your info is TIFWIW, and that you are posting stuff that might not be factual, but you try to cut out as much of the junk info as you can. I absolutley agree that message board poster and CA beat writer are not equivalent, and I do not hold you to the level of verification of info required for the Media.

I appreciate your input when you chose to post.

Thank you.
Either post is okay with me. You are a good and decent man in my book.
(08-04-2010 02:58 PM)Memphis17 Wrote: [ -> ][Image: enough%20already.bmp.jpg]
Enough already...

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TripleA,

You got used by a little man to get some ratings. I feel so much worse for the pain you must have felt than about anything that happened yesterday. So sorry, but proud to be on a board of dreamers with you.

Rick
(08-04-2010 03:02 PM)transitt Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-04-2010 02:58 PM)Memphis17 Wrote: [ -> ][Image: enough%20already.bmp.jpg]
Enough already...

Don't like it? Don't click on the link.

he's not that smart
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Andy, those of us that know you personally, love and respect you.....that should be all that really matters when it really comes down to it.
Memphis17...Why are you such a staunch defender of Wolken? Im not saying AAA didnt do anything wrong, the perpetuating of false hope was wrong but Im not sure he knew it was false when delivering it. You on the other hand have defended Wolkens every move. If this email had been circulating as much as Wolken claims then why didnt any other sports "personality" make it a top story on their show? Probably because spending an entire radio show reading private emails and disparaging message board rumors is juvenile and not the actions of a professional journalist. But defend him if you want, I just dont have a lot of respect for people that publicly bash someone for personal enjoyment.
Andy- While everything you wrote is 100% true, this won't matter to the Wolkenites.
Wolken needed something to talk about because August is a slow month in the beginning. He also can't get guest like Parrish can to carry the show through the slow months. This because easy ratings, hence the twitter line to listen to his show because he's got something juicy.
Good post 3A!!!
Triple A--- Go TIGERS--- you know the rest
(08-04-2010 03:06 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis17...Why are you such a staunch defender of Wolken? Im not saying AAA didnt do anything wrong, the perpetuating of false hope was wrong but Im not sure he knew it was false when delivering it. You on the other hand have defended Wolkens every move. If this email had been circulating as much as Wolken claims then why didnt any other sports "personality" make it a top story on their show? Probably because spending an entire radio show reading private emails and disparaging message board rumors is juvenile and not the actions of a professional journalist. But defend him if you want, I just dont have a lot of respect for people that publicly bash someone for personal enjoyment.
I'm not a "defender of Wolken". His show bores me, more than most local radio shows. Unlike many drama queens here though, I think most local media enjoy and hope our local sports do well; while at the same time trying to stand back from their Blue Glasses and provide some perspective.

I agreed with Wolken's point, and its not isolated to this website; Memphis; or AAA. Perpetuating yourself as an "Insider" (self-appointed or not) with historically inaccurate and second or third-hand information is more rampant here than most places, however.
(08-04-2010 03:09 PM)TigerBill Wrote: [ -> ]Andy- While everything you wrote is 100% true, this won't matter to the Wolkenites.
I did not write it for them.
(08-04-2010 03:14 PM)Memphis17 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-04-2010 03:06 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis17...Why are you such a staunch defender of Wolken? Im not saying AAA didnt do anything wrong, the perpetuating of false hope was wrong but Im not sure he knew it was false when delivering it. You on the other hand have defended Wolkens every move. If this email had been circulating as much as Wolken claims then why didnt any other sports "personality" make it a top story on their show? Probably because spending an entire radio show reading private emails and disparaging message board rumors is juvenile and not the actions of a professional journalist. But defend him if you want, I just dont have a lot of respect for people that publicly bash someone for personal enjoyment.
I'm not a "defender of Wolken". His show bores me, more than most local radio shows. Unlike many drama queens here though, I think most local media enjoy and hope our local sports do well; while at the same time trying to stand back from their Blue Glasses and provide some perspective.

I agreed with Wolken's point, and its not isolated to this website; Memphis; or AAA. Perpetuating yourself as an "Insider" (self-appointed or not) with historically inaccurate and second or third-hand information is more rampant here than most places, however.


NOT EVEN CLOSE...see Catspause, etc.
screw 'em
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