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-No teams to be dropped
-No teams in talks with Big Ten.....(Cough cough bull$hit cough cough)
-We are in fact expanding
-We are open to any teams for expansion...B12 is still a conference but we will certainly have interest

I assume from this the fullcourt press is on for the B12 teams and the 12/20 setup is just about a done deal coming from the BE front office...just a matter of who is coming in and who is leaving if any.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports...16244.html

If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

(06-12-2010 01:45 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

I bet your school would be willing to do it.

(06-12-2010 01:38 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]-No teams to be dropped
-No teams in talks with Big Ten.....(Cough cough bull$hit cough cough)
-We are in fact expanding
-We are open to any teams for expansion...B12 is still a conference but we will certainly have interest

I assume from this the fullcourt press is on for the B12 teams and the 12/20 setup is just about a done deal coming from the BE front office...just a matter of who is coming in and who is leaving if any.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports...16244.html

Thank god, if true, that they aren't going to lose teams because of the hybrid. But, at least we know that we're in darn good shape when it's time to split. As far as no one talking to the Big Ten, I agree with you. I think that is more of a case of the Big Ten saying thank but we're not interested. Which is fine.

(06-12-2010 01:50 PM)wvufanfrommd Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-12-2010 01:45 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

I bet your school would be willing to do it.

Yes, but we're not discussing my school.

(06-12-2010 01:45 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

They would only split the basketball money 20 ways, the football part of the contract (the Big East's contract is split into a football and basketball TV deal) would be split 12 ways. Again, as I mentioned, if we can get a 600+ million dollar basketball contract over 5 years we're looking at around 6 million dollars per team. The key is to triple our football contract. It's worth 96 million right now, we need to get it to 300 to 350 million over 5 years. That is the deal that would push us over the top. That would guarantee at least 12 million dollars per team (that is before bowl money, regional contracts, tournament money and the Big East Network). That's what we have to do. And we have to look at 5 year deals with the TV contracts. We would be sacrificing a year of security on the TV deal but we would be adding more money to the coffers, and a chance to build up our programs and bowl tie-ins and build up the Big East Network. Because, if we get a contract like that, and the Big East Network gives us a profit of 7 to 10 million dollars per team, we're looking at 20 million dollar payouts per team on TV/BE Network money alone. I read up on Tagliabue and I like his style. He thinks big and he thinks like a winner. I'm a business major so I'm kind of sensitive to these things, but I love his moxy. For people who didn't read the article on his ideas for the Big East Network I'll provide a link in a minute. Needless to say, it's heady stuff.

(06-12-2010 01:45 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

By Tuesday there won't be a Big 12 or a Big 12 Commissioner. It isn't about basketball either.

So Kansas doesn't want to be a 20 team basketball league, but will join the Pac 10 and in a 16 team football and basketball conference. What's the difference really?

(06-12-2010 02:07 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote: [ -> ]So Kansas doesn't want to be a 20 team basketball league, but will join the Pac 10 and in a 16 team football and basketball conference. What's the difference really?

Texas, USC, UCLA, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc, etc.

(06-12-2010 01:52 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-12-2010 01:50 PM)wvufanfrommd Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-12-2010 01:45 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

I bet your school would be willing to do it.

Yes, but we're not discussing my school.

Well, is there really a big difference between spliting money 16 ways compared to 20 ways when you would be playing in the best basketball conference in the history of college basketball. And would a school like Kansas make more money playing in 12 team conference with Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, and SDSU, etc. The exposure that this 20 team BE conference would get on ESPN, CBS, and a possible new BEN would be amazing. That exposure would translate into more money for the conference that could be split 20 ways and produce a higher pay out per team than they are getting now.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/i...dia-future

Big East thinking big about media future

By Brian Bennett

Big East commissioner John Marinatto was riding in a cab in New York City with Paul Tagliabue a couple of weeks ago when he mentioned the new offices the league had moved into in Providence, R.I.

There was enough space in the new building, Marinatto suggested, to erect a studio for a possible Big East Network. Tagliabue quickly corrected him.

"John," he said, "we're not building a studio in Providence. We'll build a studio next to the 'Today' show in Rockefeller Center. You'll look out and see people in downtown New York City. That will be our studio."

Tagliabue, the former NFL commissioner, is helping the Big East as a consultant and adviser on its future, especially in terms of TV deals and opportunities. And Marinatto said that studio idea is one way he's prompting the league to think big.

The Big East knows it may need to take bold steps to survive with the possibility looming that the Big Ten swipes one or more of its teams in the coming months. And even if that doesn't happen, the conference must address the significant revenue gap that is growing between itself and mega-leagues like the Big Ten and SEC.

The Big Ten has become an intimidating monster because of its Big Ten Network, which is spewing money into that league's coffers. The Big East is exploring ways to come up with a similar cable channel for its product despite the many challenges that exist in doing so.

For one, Big East football isn't nearly as popular as the Big Ten, and with only eight football teams currently, there aren't as many games to show on a network. But the Big East does have 16 basketball teams and a highly entertaining hoops circuit.

And then there is the league's location, which encompasses many of the top markets in the Northeast. That's a major reason why Marinatto thinks a Big East Network could succeed.

"Because we have so much of the nation's population and households, it seems like we're in a position to take advantage of that more than some of the other conferences, maybe," he said. "That could allow us to be unique as the Big Ten has been."

Could Big East sports alone be enough to entice cable subscribers? Maybe not. But Marinatto says the league has access to "other alliances that could drive that concept." He declined to give specifics, but when I asked him if by "alliances" he meant other college sports, pro sports or even entertainment programming, he said, "all of the above."

"Because we're sitting where we are in the Northeast corridor, we have people from our schools who are involved in the business world who are working at the right places," he said. "Maybe that can help create some partnerships that would make us unique."

Could you envision a Big East sports and entertainment network that includes not only league games but also concerts, Broadway musicals and Major League and NBA games from cities like Philadelphia and Washington D.C.? Who knows. Marinatto said "everything is on the table."

And don't forget the appeal of Notre Dame to such a network. Sure, there wouldn't be Irish football games on such a network, but the channel could show Notre Dame basketball and other non-revenue sports that could draw eyeballs from a national alumni base.

It's important to note that the Big East's current media agreement with ESPN lasts until 2013, and the league is keenly interested in remaining a viable partner with ESPN. All ideas about a new network and media opportunities are based on looking beyond the expiration of that contract. No one knows what the league will even look like in 2014.

But at least the Big East is thinking big.

(06-12-2010 01:45 PM)KnightTower Wrote: [ -> ]If I were a Big 12 AD, already coming out of a bad revenue sharing deal, I would not want to be stuck in another one. Splitting money 20 ways is a very unappetizing proposition.

The revenue sharing thing is a ruse IMO. Only one team earned more than $1 million less than what even revenue sharing would have paid (Baylor). The schools that complained the loudest (Nebraska and Missouri) were actually making more under the current plan than with equal revenue sharing. To me it seems more like a complaint made that would resonate with others, but was really a platform to complain about other issues.

(06-12-2010 02:07 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote: [ -> ]So Kansas doesn't want to be a 20 team basketball league, but will join the Pac 10 and in a 16 team football and basketball conference. What's the difference really?

4 less They'd have 16 fb members, no hybrid and have 5 other current B12 members in their conf(the better ones)

(06-12-2010 02:12 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-12-2010 02:07 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote: [ -> ]So Kansas doesn't want to be a 20 team basketball league, but will join the Pac 10 and in a 16 team football and basketball conference. What's the difference really?

4 less They'd have 16 fb members, no hybrid and have 5 other current B12 members in their conf(the better ones)

You missed what he was talking about, he was asking why Kansas would complain about a 20 team conference instead of a 16 team conference. Obviously, Kansas was just trying to form a new All-Sports Conference and, god bless them, I hope the Big East works something out. But what he was saying was Kansas complaining about splitting 20 different ways would make no sense if you're jumping to a conference that would split 16 different ways.

(06-12-2010 02:24 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-12-2010 02:12 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-12-2010 02:07 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote: [ -> ]So Kansas doesn't want to be a 20 team basketball league, but will join the Pac 10 and in a 16 team football and basketball conference. What's the difference really?

4 less They'd have 16 fb members, no hybrid and have 5 other current B12 members in their conf(the better ones)

You missed what he was talking about, he was asking why Kansas would complain about a 20 team conference instead of a 16 team conference. Obviously, Kansas was just trying to form a new All-Sports Conference and, god bless them, I hope the Big East works something out. But what he was saying was Kansas complaining about splitting 20 different ways would make no sense if you're jumping to a conference that would split 16 different ways.

travel, school talent, safeness

travel-1 road cross over game a year in the P16 the rest a are Big 6/ASU,UA. In bball 2 cross over road games
BE travel-lots of trips back east

school talent-Big 6>Missouri, ISU, Baylor, KSU

safeness-P16=safe and more $$$$
BE safe? Rutgers B10? Syracuse B10 or ACC? UConn ACC? SEC raids ACC? ACC raids BE?

Basketball will be the death of the big east

Well, fortunately for you, Fresno State need not worry about choosing between the Pac 10 and the Big East.

(06-12-2010 03:04 PM)Bearcat 1984 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, fortunately for you, Fresno State need not worry about choosing between the Pac 10 and the Big East.

So I give actual reason why they would choose the P16 and you come back with that lame a$$ sh*t. you are pathetic. MWC is our goal. I hope we get it some day.

(06-12-2010 01:38 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]-No teams to be dropped
-No teams in talks with Big Ten.....(Cough cough bull$hit cough cough)


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports...16244.html

No teams dropped, they leave on their own.

No one talking with B10 because b10 hasn't decided who they wish to talk to.

I think this dude is making all of this up to drive traffic. This is not the Washington Post. It's a free paper distributed in Subway stations.