-Presidents ususally make the decision on whether a school will move from conference A to conference B. The TAMU president wants the SEC.
-TAMU to the SEC is a potential game changer in realignment. That will push at least 1 more school into the SEC and possibly 2 more as the SEC desires to keep up with the Joneses. A major piece of the Texas market like TAMU is too much to pass up.
-Despite the Big Ten rejection, largely based on academics, Missouri would have a strong shot at landing in the SEC as it borders Arkansas, Kentucky, and Tennesse.
-Florida State and Virginia Tech are the most mentioned schools to join the SEC from the East. That would leave the ACC with several openings for Pitt, WVU and other stragglers out of the Big East.
-The PAC-10 in response is looking to add Kansas most likely as the 16th, which probably will add more to the table with its basketball name recognition than anything TAMU can bring.
-MWC is looking at K-State and Baylor probably as 11th and 12th members. I-State will not have much in the way of options.
The latest says the SEC offer for TAMU is off the table. It was contingent upon either UT or OU accepting an invite to the SEC.
Texas definitely doesn't want the SEC. Oklahoma has decided to stick with Texas......so TAMU looks like its heading West.
http://insidetexas.com/news/story.php?article=2432
Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas, K-State are going to be heading to the Big East where there is basketball money and a BCS bid. The Big XII moves will be pushed forward for the 2011-12 season so they'll have no other choice but then to except the Big East by the end of the month.
With all the BCS conference at 12, the MWC will be compelled to expand in like and take Baylor and Houston to go to 12.
This will conclude the "Nebraska" round of expansion.
(06-11-2010 09:23 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]The latest says the SEC offer for TAMU is off the table. It was contingent upon either UT or OU accepting an invite to the SEC.
Texas definitely doesn't want the SEC. Oklahoma has decided to stick with Texas......so TAMU looks like its heading West.
http://insidetexas.com/news/story.php?article=2432
Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas, K-State are going to be heading to the Big East where there is basketball money and a BCS bid. The Big XII moves will be pushed forward for the 2011-12 season so they'll have no other choice but then to except the Big East by the end of the month.
With all the BCS conference at 12, the MWC will be compelled to expand in like and take Baylor and Houston to go to 12.
This will conclude the "Nebraska" round of expansion.
Why would the Big East add 4 teams to go to a 20 member conference?
think of the conference schedule. 19 games - one each - vs the rest of the league - plus 3 games in your 4 team regional pod (i.e. missouri, isu, kansas, ksu or depaul, marquette, notre dame, cincy). then, a 16 team 4 round conf tourney. that would be guaranteed big time basketball.
i does mwc add baylor and houston or houston and utep or utep and baylor or houston and nevada. that's a league w good options right now.
Big12 leftovers will NOT be going to join the BigEast(8/16). Too much distance, too many BB schools, too many partial memberships - what a mess that would be (and already is).
Let's assume that the PAC-10(16) gets its wish list (PAC-10 + Colorado, Oklahoma, OklaState, Texas, TexasA&M and TexasTech)
Let's also assume, that the Big10(12) stays put with just Nebraska for now.
Then the Big12(5) is: IowaSt, Kansas, KansasSt, Missouri and Baylor.
What is to keep the Big12(5) from raiding either the MWC and C-USA for parts to get to 10 or 12? They could raid one (MWC) and go west or the other (C-USA) and work south
PLAN A: Grab 5-7 from MWC: ColState, AirForce, BYU, Utah, TCU, UNLV, BoiseSt
PLAN B: Grab 5-7 from C-USA/WAC: UTEP, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, SoMiss, La-Tech, UAB
PLAN C: Do both (minus a couple) to get a new 16 team conference with only 2 time zones
East: Houston, SoMiss, La-Tech, Memphis, Missouri, IowaSt, KansasSt, Kansas
West: Baylor, TCU, UTEP, ColSt, AirForce, BYU, Utah, BoiseSt
I kinda like the new Big12(16) myself
Remnants of WAC and MWC merge into a 11 team conference of their own:
Hawaii, SJSU, FresnoSt, SDSU, UNLV, Nevada,
UtahSt, Idaho, NewMexico, NMSU, Wyom
C-USA remnants merge with SunBelt:
WEST: SMU, UNT, Tulsa, Rice, ArkSt, La-Laff, La-Mon, Tulane
EAST: UAB, TroySt, UCF, FAU, FIU, WKU, MTSU, ECU
Perhaps Marshall, Army and Navy join the MAC with Temple, to get a MAC-16
EAST: Army, Navy, Temple, Marshall, Buffalo, Ohio, Akron, KentSt
WEST: Miami(OH) BGSU, Toledo, EMU, CMU, WMU, BallSt, NIU
(06-11-2010 11:47 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]Why would the Big East add 4 teams to go to a 20 member conference?
They wouldn't - but Kit-Cat hasn't bothered to ask the obvious questions from both the inviters and invitees viewpoints. This has always been the basic problem with his expansion threads.
Q1: Why would the BigEast invite 4 plains states all-sports teams to their 16 BB member/8 FB member conference on the east coast?
A: They wouldn't - the conference is unweildly now, and their costs would rise significantly trying to compete in all sports from the east coast to well past the Mississippi River.
And you could break it down further to:
Q2: why would the 8 BB schools allow it?
A: They wouldn't - it would tip the power in the conference forever in favor of FB
And finally:
Q3: Why would the Big12 remnants (assuming there are 5 when all the Pac-10(16) domminoes fall) want to travel to the east coast for all their sports when you could argue that either joining the MWC or inviting pieces of it makes a much better FB conference, with much lower costs, without all the partial member issues that the BigEast already has?
A: They wouldn't.
I like expansion threads now and then - but they have to be based on more than "Gosh, I would really like it if the team I care most about suddenly got invited to the Big10"
(06-12-2010 01:09 PM)nert Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2010 11:47 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]Why would the Big East add 4 teams to go to a 20 member conference?
They wouldn't - but Kit-Cat hasn't bothered to ask the obvious questions from both the inviters and invitees viewpoints. This has always been the basic problem with his expansion threads.
I've considered it.
I always factor in University point of view.....hence why I began to talk about TAMU looking at the SEC.
To be quite honest with you, its your threads that lack basic insight.
For instance the Big XII must retain 6 members or all of its NCAA units accrued will disolve. This is why most experts have KU/ISU/MU/KS scattering to the Big East. There have also been multiple reports that talks are in place between KU and the Big East.
Your plan B listed is an abosulute rediculous piece of rubbish. You have the Big XII potentially rebuilding with LaTech, UAB, and USM.
Marshall isn't coming back to the MAC under any circumstances. Its just not happening..
See, instead of wasting time making jabs at other posters on here like you appear to like, I spend time thinking through the realignments.
You aren't a stupid person by any means....but I make smart people look stupid (for a living).
The way around the NCAA units is to join the MWC instead of picking MWC teams.
But the Big12/BigEast nonsense is nonsense. Its so unstable that it couldn't work. And of course, you've ignored all the reasons that it woouldn't be proposed or accepted.
Perhaps you're the only one who thinks you make smart people look stupid. But I guess if you consider yourself smart - then you do make at least one "smart" person look stupid on a regular basis.
Chip Brown reported that TAMU declined the PAC-10's invite today.
(06-13-2010 04:29 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]Chip Brown reported that TAMU declined the PAC-10's invite today.
Its probably a good move. TAMU like Nebraska is sick of being the ***** of Texas.
(06-12-2010 01:50 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2010 01:09 PM)nert Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2010 11:47 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]Why would the Big East add 4 teams to go to a 20 member conference?
They wouldn't - but Kit-Cat hasn't bothered to ask the obvious questions from both the inviters and invitees viewpoints. This has always been the basic problem with his expansion threads.
Your plan B listed is an abosulute rediculous piece of rubbish. You have the Big XII potentially rebuilding with LaTech, UAB, and USM.
Huh???
This from the guy who posts realignment possiblities over and over and over again????
Is it just that YOUR realignment configurations are the only good ones? How can that be???
(06-13-2010 06:03 PM)warhawks22 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2010 01:50 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2010 01:09 PM)nert Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2010 11:47 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]Why would the Big East add 4 teams to go to a 20 member conference?
They wouldn't - but Kit-Cat hasn't bothered to ask the obvious questions from both the inviters and invitees viewpoints. This has always been the basic problem with his expansion threads.
Your plan B listed is an abosulute rediculous piece of rubbish. You have the Big XII potentially rebuilding with LaTech, UAB, and USM.
Huh??? This from the guy who posts realignment possiblities over and over and over again????
Is it just that YOUR realignment configurations are the only good ones? How can that be???
Yes because I actually stay up to speed with the latest rumors and consider the real alliances.
And...I only update when I have solid new info. The whole Texas/Texas A&M situation is so up in the air.
TAMU and UT are so closely intertwined. They split an endowment 1/3 TAMU, 2/3 Texas. I would be surprised if they split up into different conferences.
There is always the Big Ten option for UT/TAMU....or UT/TT if they worry about leaving behind TT for political reasons.
(06-13-2010 06:15 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]TAMU and UT are so closely intertwined. They split an endowment 1/3 TAMU, 2/3 Texas. I would be surprised if they split up into different conferences.
Not that big of a deal. We are talking athletic conferences here, which don't necessarily influence academics.
(06-14-2010 12:24 PM)CMUprof Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2010 06:15 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]TAMU and UT are so closely intertwined. They split an endowment 1/3 TAMU, 2/3 Texas. I would be surprised if they split up into different conferences.
Not that big of a deal. We are talking athletic conferences here, which don't necessarily influence academics.
No but its akward to have the two schools in a split conference given the endowment situation. I've never heard of a situation where two major institutions like that were so closely linked.
TAMU is UT's little brother, it will be a dreary Christmas when he's receiving gifts at the in-laws (20 million a year). My little brother pulls the same number so I know how it feels!
(06-11-2010 11:47 PM)owen Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2010 09:23 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ]The latest says the SEC offer for TAMU is off the table. It was contingent upon either UT or OU accepting an invite to the SEC.
Texas definitely doesn't want the SEC. Oklahoma has decided to stick with Texas......so TAMU looks like its heading West.
http://insidetexas.com/news/story.php?article=2432
Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas, K-State are going to be heading to the Big East where there is basketball money and a BCS bid. The Big XII moves will be pushed forward for the 2011-12 season so they'll have no other choice but then to except the Big East by the end of the month.
With all the BCS conference at 12, the MWC will be compelled to expand in like and take Baylor and Houston to go to 12.
This will conclude the "Nebraska" round of expansion.
Why would the Big East add 4 teams to go to a 20 member conference?
Marinatto said that would be an option.