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This is how this thread first started:
SIR: Could a 17 team conference be the BE's future?...
2 divisions - 9 football-teams, 8 non-football playing teams?...

THEN, it grew legs, evolved, stuff like that...

I don't how to edit the poll. What if all new voters vote on:
Could a 20 team conference be the BE's future?...

Me my self personally, I think 17 is a tipping point - 1 too many. But whatever it takes to remain a viable BCS conference with top shelf basketball is fine by me.

(05-18-2010 06:32 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]2 divisions - 9 football-teams, 8 non-football playing teams?...

I heard a suggestion to add another non-football member to get to 18 even.

If we are starting our own network, 18 (10 FB, 8 Olympic) might be the answer.

(05-18-2010 07:12 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote: [ -> ]If we are starting our own network, 18 (10 FB, 8 Olympic) might be the answer.

Why 10 for football?...

(05-18-2010 07:16 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2010 07:12 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote: [ -> ]If we are starting our own network, 18 (10 FB, 8 Olympic) might be the answer.

Why 10 for football?...

Cable subscribers would be my guess.

Temple, UCF, and Memphis would be the 3 choices if we was starting up a network. ECU, UCF, and Memphis if football was the #1 reason in expanding.

(05-18-2010 07:22 AM)animus Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2010 07:16 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2010 07:12 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote: [ -> ]If we are starting our own network, 18 (10 FB, 8 Olympic) might be the answer.

Why 10 for football?...

Cable subscribers would be my guess.

Temple, UCF, and Memphis would be the 3 choices if we was starting up a network. ECU, UCF, and Memphis if football was the #1 reason in expanding.

Yep, you need inventory!! You need games to feed your network.

Or maybe this idea which has been floated before:

"Who is to say we couldn’t go to 20 teams in basketball, but not have one 20-team league, but a league with pods of four or five teams?’’ said Marinatto. “You have to think strategic alliances - what strategic alliances could we create?"

"Northeast pod
Syracuse
UConn
Providence
St. John's
Seton hall

Mid-Atlantic pod
Georgetown
Villanova
Pitt
WVU
ECU

Mid-west pod
UC
UL
ND
Depaul
Marquette

Southern pod
Memphis
USF
UCF
TCU
Houston

Basketball plays home and home with each member of their division (8 games), 5 road games against a second division, 5 home games against a third division. The out of division games rotate through the 3 divisions, playing 2 divisions a year out of your own division.

Football would be separated into 2 divisions.
Northern
Syracuse
UConn
WVU
Pitt
UC
UL

Southern
Memphis
ECU
UCF
USF
TCU
Houston

Media markets:
NYC, NJ, PA, DC, Chicago, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, Dallas, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Hartford, Syracuse/Buffalo, Morgantown. ND would be required to play 4 BE games a year to access the bowl line-up.

Need a plan that includes Rutgers as well? ECU to Southern Pod, Rutgers to Mid-Atlantic, Houston (or TCU) out.

The advantage of having 20 teams for the Big East would be the ease of always having programming on a new Big East Network (B.E.N) in such huge TV markets. With 20 teams playing in effect 20 conference games, you have a serious inventory during any season, and should have plenty of marquee games to sell to ESPN and keep on the network. Since they would have 20 teams, and roughly 20 weekdays in a month, give each school 4 hour programming one weekday per month to do whatever they want with it. It is certainly better than what the B10 Network does with basically being an ESPN Classic lite (where they only show games that they win! Ha).

-Notre Dame with mandated contract to play all BE teams rotated 2 or 3 home/homes with their home games on NBC and road games on B.E.N.
-Champ game for football in Giants Stadium or Fed Ex Field
-4 Pod Champs for basketball get byes, 12 more get in to MSG Big East Tourney

B.E.N. covers:
-Football games not on ESPN all day Saturday
-Basketball games not on ESPN
-Spring Games including Notre Dame
-Baseball first priority to all other non rev sports
-Weekly coaches shows move from local channel to B.E.N.
-Weekly conference wide show
-Reruns like NFL network of weekly BE and Notre Dame games
-Signing Day specials for football
-AAU tourneys of bball in the spring/summer (since the BE is a basketball junkie conference they might as well see what they have coming)
-lineup for the B.E.N. to try to keep interest year around

Lacrosse is huge in the Northeast. With only 8 Lacrosse playing members, you could even entertain showing a few other league's games in a game of the week type format, just to get more live programming. Since some of the best Lacrosse schools are not good at other sports.

During the summers, they could televise some minor league baseball, and maybe even host some streetball tournaments or something. At night, I think you could just leave a live camera on Rucker Park and call it a day.

Tons of opportunity if the Big East goes to 20."

(05-18-2010 08:42 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe this idea which has been floated before:

"Who is to say we couldn’t go to 20 teams in basketball, but not have one 20-team league, but a league with pods of four or five teams?’’ said Marinatto. “You have to think strategic alliances - what strategic alliances could we create?"

"Northeast pod
Syracuse
UConn
Providence
St. John's
Seton hall

Mid-Atlantic pod
Georgetown
Villanova
Pitt
WVU
ECU

Mid-west pod
UC
UL
ND
Depaul
Marquette

Southern pod
Memphis
USF
UCF
TCU
Houston

Basketball plays home and home with each member of their division (8 games), 5 road games against a second division, 5 home games against a third division. The out of division games rotate through the 3 divisions, playing 2 divisions a year out of your own division.

Football would be separated into 2 divisions.
Northern
Syracuse
UConn
WVU
Pitt
UC
UL

Southern
Memphis
ECU
UCF
USF
TCU
Houston

Media markets:
NYC,NJ,PA,DC,Chicago,Tampa,Orlando,Houston,Dallas,Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis,Pittsburgh,Hartford,Syracuse/Buffalo,Morgantown. ND would be required to play 4 BE games a year to access the bowl line-up.

Need a plan that includes Rutgers as well? ECU to Southern Pod, Rutgers to Mid-Atlantic, Houston (or TCU) out.

The advantage of having 20 teams for the Big East would be the ease of always having programming on a new Big East Network (B.E.N) in such huge TV markets. With 20 teams playing in effect 20 conference games, you have a serious inventory during any season, and should have plenty of marquee games to sell to ESPN and keep on the
network. Since they would have 20 teams, and roughly 20 weekdays in a month, give each school 4 hour programming one weekday per month to do whatever they want with it. It is certainly better than what
the B10 Network does with basically being an ESPN Classic lite (where they only show games that they win! Ha).

-Notre Dame with mandated contract to play all BE teams rotated 2 or 3 home/homes with their home games on NBC and road games on B.E.N.
-Champ game for football in Giants Stadium or Fed Ex Field
-4 Pod Champs for basketball get byes, 12 more get in to MSG Big East Tourney

B.E.N. covers:
-Football games not on ESPN all day Saturday
-Basketball games not on ESPN
-Spring Games including Notre Dame
-Baseball first priority to all other non rev sports
-Weekly coaches shows move from local channel to B.E.N.
-Weekly conference wide show
-Reruns like NFL network of weekly BE and Notre Dame games
-Signing Day specials for football
-AAU tourneys of bball in the spring/summer (since the BE is a basketball junkie conference they might as well see what they have coming)
-lineup for the B.E.N. to try to keep interest year around

Lacrosse is huge in the Northeast. With only 8 Lacrosse playing members, you could even entertain showing a few other league's games in a game of the week type format, just to get more live programming. Since some of the best Lacrosse schools are not good at other sports.

During the summers, they could televise some minor league baseball, and maybe even host some streetball tournaments or something. At night, I think you could just leave a live camera on Rucker Park and call it a day.

Tons of opportunity if the Big East goes to 20."

Den, is one of the best posts I have read on here, hands down. The big thing is that you have thought of a way to make scheduling work in BB...

The southern division of that FB conference would take some time to earn some national respect, but that would come sooner than some think IMO. Don't forget 4 of those 6 have been ranked in the Top 25 over the past few years and 5 of the 6 have recieved votes at some point. 2 of the 6 have been ranked in the Top 10. However, that's all perception stuff.

The real question is, can that conference make money, that's probrably why they brought in Tagliabue, to help them find that answer...

"Or maybe this idea which has been floated before:

"Who is to say we couldn’t go to 20 teams in basketball, but not have one 20-team league, but a league with pods of four or five teams?’’ said Marinatto. “You have to think strategic alliances - what strategic alliances could we create?" "


Great post. Thanks. Maybe even throw in some college hockey too. Did Marinatto propose this? Or is his quote just from the first paragraph?

(05-18-2010 09:37 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Great post. Thanks. Maybe even throw in some college hockey too. Did Marinatto propose this? Or is his quote just from the first paragraph?

First of all, I didn't create this, so I won't take 1 ounce of credit, another Pirate did. That's why the entire post is a quote. It's a compilation of 4-5 different ideas that are already out there. The opening paragraph that I quoted is indeed Marinatto's, but the first paragraph only. Hockey'd be great too. Whatever draws a crowd...

(05-18-2010 08:42 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe this idea which has been floated before:

"Who is to say we couldn’t go to 20 teams in basketball, but not have one 20-team league, but a league with pods of four or five teams?’’ said Marinatto. “You have to think strategic alliances - what strategic alliances could we create?"

"Northeast pod
Syracuse
UConn
Providence
St. John's
Seton hall

Mid-Atlantic pod
Georgetown
Villanova
Pitt
WVU
ECU

Mid-west pod
UC
UL
ND
Depaul
Marquette

Southern pod
Memphis
USF
UCF
TCU
Houston

Basketball plays home and home with each member of their division (8 games), 5 road games against a second division, 5 home games against a third division. The out of division games rotate through the 3 divisions, playing 2 divisions a year out of your own division.

Football would be separated into 2 divisions.
Northern
Syracuse
UConn
WVU
Pitt
UC
UL

Southern
Memphis
ECU
UCF
USF
TCU
Houston

Media markets:
NYC, NJ, PA, DC, Chicago, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, Dallas, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Hartford, Syracuse/Buffalo, Morgantown. ND would be required to play 4 BE games a year to access the bowl line-up.

Need a plan that includes Rutgers as well? ECU to Southern Pod, Rutgers to Mid-Atlantic, Houston (or TCU) out.

The advantage of having 20 teams for the Big East would be the ease of always having programming on a new Big East Network (B.E.N) in such huge TV markets. With 20 teams playing in effect 20 conference games, you have a serious inventory during any season, and should have plenty of marquee games to sell to ESPN and keep on the
network. Since they would have 20 teams, and roughly 20 weekdays in a month, give each school 4 hour programming one weekday per month to do whatever they want with it. It is certainly better than what the B10 Network does with basically being an ESPN Classic lite (where they only show games that they win! Ha).

-Notre Dame with mandated contract to play all BE teams rotated 2 or 3 home/homes with their home games on NBC and road games on B.E.N.
-Champ game for football in Giants Stadium or Fed Ex Field
-4 Pod Champs for basketball get byes, 12 more get in to MSG Big East Tourney

B.E.N. covers:
-Football games not on ESPN all day Saturday
-Basketball games not on ESPN
-Spring Games including Notre Dame
-Baseball first priority to all other non rev sports
-Weekly coaches shows move from local channel to B.E.N.
-Weekly conference wide show
-Reruns like NFL network of weekly BE and Notre Dame games
-Signing Day specials for football
-AAU tourneys of bball in the spring/summer (since the BE is a basketball junkie conference they might as well see what they have coming)
-lineup for the B.E.N. to try to keep interest year around

Lacrosse is huge in the Northeast. With only 8 Lacrosse playing members, you could even entertain showing a few other league's games in a game of the week type format, just to get more live programming. Since some of the best Lacrosse schools are not good at other sports.

During the summers, they could televise some minor league baseball, and maybe even host some streetball tournaments or something. At night, I think you could just leave a live camera on Rucker Park and call it a day.

Tons of opportunity if the Big East goes to 20."

I really like this.

The football divisions are strong, and balanced.

The basketball division aren't as balanced, but they are well thought out. The Mid-Atlantic Pod is BRUTAL. The Mid-West is solid. As a U of L fan, I like the home-home with Cincy, ND, and Marquette.

Well thought out.

I could really live with that.

The KEY is the BIG EAST NETWORK. This conference structure does a lot for a network. Lots of content. Lots of big markets. Lots of big names.

I hope that the league office is considering something like this.

Good work DEN.

Tags ain't there just to drink coffee with Marinatto...

(05-18-2010 09:40 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2010 09:37 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Great post. Thanks. Maybe even throw in some college hockey too. Did Marinatto propose this? Or is his quote just from the first paragraph?

First of all, I didn't create this, so I won't take 1 ounce of credit, another Pirate did. That's why the entire post is a quote. It's a compilation of 4-5 different ideas that are already out there. The opening paragraph that I quoted is indeed Marinatto's, but the first paragraph only. Hockey'd be great too. Whatever draws a crowd...

This should have its own new thread with the heading "20 Team Big East" or something. One of the best proposals I've read on this site.

(05-18-2010 09:44 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2010 09:40 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2010 09:37 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Great post. Thanks. Maybe even throw in some college hockey too. Did Marinatto propose this? Or is his quote just from the first paragraph?

First of all, I didn't create this, so I won't take 1 ounce of credit, another Pirate did. That's why the entire post is a quote. It's a compilation of 4-5 different ideas that are already out there. The opening paragraph that I quoted is indeed Marinatto's, but the first paragraph only. Hockey'd be great too. Whatever draws a crowd...

This should have its own new thread with the heading "20 Team Big East" or something. One of the best proposals I've read on this site.

Why don't you do that so I don't get smacked here for posting the same thing twice? ...

If I'm so good, gimme some rep love ...

Quote:This should have its own new thread with the heading "20 Team Big East" or something. One of the best proposals I've read on this site.

I think I just did what you suggested without starting a new thread. I do like the flexibility of this board.

(05-18-2010 09:55 AM)Den Wrote: [ -> ][quote}
This should have its own new thread with the heading "20 Team Big East" or something. One of the best proposals I've read on this site.

I think I just did what you suggested without starting a new thread. I do like the flexibility of this board.
[/quote]

Ok, I gave you kudos in the rating thing. Can you adjust the poll question too?

Quote:Ok, I gave you kudos in the rating thing. Can you adjust the poll question too?

This format is VERY new to me, so I don't know if I can adjust the poll or not. Let me try a few things, ok? Maybe someone can tell me how...

I think there is a shot the BEAST could pull BC back with something like this. Maybe Maryland also. Perhaps Miami. They aren't nearly as happy in the ACC as they expected to be.

If so, the proposal only gets stronger.

Question is, does the league office have the time to pull this together? Also, will the hoops schools go along with something like this that puts them in a permanent minority? They haven't been willing to do this in the past which is precisely why the ACC was able to raid the BEAST instead of the other way around which is what should have happened.