http://www.810whb.com/article/3527
Big Ten makes initial offer to Big 12 pair
The Big Ten Conference has extended initial offers to join the league to four universities including Missouri and Nebraska from the Big 12, according to multiple sources close to the negotiations.
While nothing can be approved until the Big Ten presidents and chancellors meet the first week of June in Chicago, the league has informed the two Big 12 schools, Notre Dame and Rutgers that it would like to have them join. It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.
In order for the University of Missouri to join the Big Ten, the Missouri Board of Regents will still have to approve the move. Sources close to the governing body say the Big Ten has told officials that Mizzou could add $1.3 million per month in revenue to the lucrative Big Ten Television Network. The Big Ten Network is currently offered on basic cable to very few of over 7 million residents living in Missouri television markets and adding it throughout the state will be a windfall for the conference.
Big Ten representatives have also told Missouri officials they would like to have the entire expansion process wrapped up this summer with a formal announcement coming no later than July.
The University of Missouri is currently under contract with the Big 12 conference and will have to pay a stiff penalty to leave the Big 12. The Big 12 charter states any member will lose between 50 and 100 percent of its shared annual revenue depending on the length of notice any school gives. According to published reports, Missouri receives around $9 million annually in shared football revenue from the Big 12. According to sources, it seems likely Missouri would give one- year notice. It is projected that Missouri's football revenues would increase by $10 million or more per year when it joins the Big Ten versus what it currently receives in the Big 12.
it would be great if this were true, then we can stop speculating and start the ball rolling as to "what will happen..."
though, some KC sports radio knows before ESPN and others?
Agree,
I just want it over with at this point. All this endless speculating. I stopped caring a while ago.
It all boils down to this.
FAU will be playing football for a confrence, and I will be attending the games.
Thats the only given I have at this point.
(05-10-2010 02:04 PM)NCowl Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2010 01:58 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa World running the same story
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ar...imgs561257
yeah, but the tulsa paper links to the KC sports radio... so that doesn't validate it.
Until Lee Corso says it, ain't noth'n happen'n
It's going to happen. The question is when. I want this over very soon so I will know where my school stands when the dominoes fall. A long as ASU has a conference then I will be fine.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100510/BI...th-big-ten
Quote:“The University of Nebraska has not been offered any opportunity to move from the Big 12. We remain committed to the success of the Big 12 Conference. Until the Big 10 Conference makes and announces its decision on expansion, the University of Nebraska will have no further comment and we do not intend to continue to respond further to questions or speculations on this subject.''
(05-10-2010 05:48 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.omaha.com/article/20100510/BI...th-big-ten
Quote:“The University of Nebraska has not been offered any opportunity to move from the Big 12. We remain committed to the success of the Big 12 Conference. Until the Big 10 Conference makes and announces its decision on expansion, the University of Nebraska will have no further comment and we do not intend to continue to respond further to questions or speculations on this subject.''
Missouri - "no comment"
Big 10 - "no comment"
"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"I did not have sex with that woman"
There are a lot of conferences schools that are shaking in their booties. Have read several websites' messageboards and posters seem upset about it happening. IMO, things will work themselves out and scrambling for higher ground isn't going to help. Personally, I feel it is a good thing. Some feel the SBC will suffer losses, but I believe it will help. Just my thoughts.
How would the Belt lose anything? If the domino effect starts, we will likely merge with another conference or maybe even start a new one. Nothing but good can come out of this for the Belt IMHO. Worst case scenario, we stay the way we are.... best case scenario, we add a couple of schools or do some school swapping. We might see an Eastern WAC at the end of this and the rest merged with CUSA. A big domino effect could really help the Belt. I hope that we end up with a full conference slate that makes it impossible for newbies to move up. The Div I FBS is big enough, we don't need any Roadrunners in it.
(05-10-2010 07:02 PM)stebo Wrote: [ -> ]How would the Belt lose anything? If the domino effect starts, we will likely merge with another conference or maybe even start a new one. Nothing but good can come out of this for the Belt IMHO. Worst case scenario, we stay the way we are.... best case scenario, we add a couple of schools or do some school swapping. We might see an Eastern WAC at the end of this and the rest merged with CUSA. A big domino effect could really help the Belt. I hope that we end up with a full conference slate that makes it impossible for newbies to move up. The Div I FBS is big enough, we don't need any Roadrunners in it.
I completely disagree...I'm not saying that this
will be bad for the Sun Belt, but it definitely could and to suggest that it couldn't possibly be bad for the Sun Belt is foolish, IMO. I'm all for unity among Belters, let's stick together and watch out for one another, but if a few Sun Belt schools are offered the opportunity to fill holes in C-USA I imagine they'll jump unless we strongly believe we can wrangle a few C-USA members or a merger is happening or if we all group together and sign something legally binding that we aren't leaving. Don't get me wrong, C-USA isn't much better than the Sun Belt right now as it is in actual talent and on the field product and a C-USA minus some of the top programs might be almost a complete wash, however, if MT gets an invite and I'm the one making the decision, I'm almost definitely taking it. While the difference between the current Sun Belt and a post raid C-USA might be non existent to negligible at most, I'd be afraid that if we didn't take the invite others would. So while I'd probably rather be in the current Sun Belt than a post raid C-USA, I'd rather be in the newly filled C-USA than in the Sun Belt after other schools don't follow our lead and reject the C-USA invite. So like I said, unless we can steal a few C-USA members, know that a merger is going to happen, or put an agreement on paper between all current Sun Belt members, I feel confident that the first round of invites from C-USA to Sun Belt will be accepted from fear of beign left in the Sun Belt that is now forced to turn to FCS/upstarts for new members.
(05-10-2010 07:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2010 07:02 PM)stebo Wrote: [ -> ]How would the Belt lose anything? If the domino effect starts, we will likely merge with another conference or maybe even start a new one. Nothing but good can come out of this for the Belt IMHO. Worst case scenario, we stay the way we are.... best case scenario, we add a couple of schools or do some school swapping. We might see an Eastern WAC at the end of this and the rest merged with CUSA. A big domino effect could really help the Belt. I hope that we end up with a full conference slate that makes it impossible for newbies to move up. The Div I FBS is big enough, we don't need any Roadrunners in it.
I completely disagree...I'm not saying that this will be bad for the Sun Belt, but it definitely could and to suggest that it couldn't possibly be bad for the Sun Belt is foolish, IMO. I'm all for unity among Belters, let's stick together and watch out for one another, but if a few Sun Belt schools are offered the opportunity to fill holes in C-USA I imagine they'll jump unless we strongly believe we can wrangle a few C-USA members or a merger is happening or if we all group together and sign something legally binding that we aren't leaving. Don't get me wrong, C-USA isn't much better than the Sun Belt right now as it is in actual talent and on the field product and a C-USA minus some of the top programs might be almost a complete wash, however, if MT gets an invite and I'm the one making the decision, I'm almost definitely taking it. While the difference between the current Sun Belt and a post raid C-USA might be non existent to negligible at most, I'd be afraid that if we didn't take the invite others would. So while I'd probably rather be in the current Sun Belt than a post raid C-USA, I'd rather be in the newly filled C-USA than in the Sun Belt after other schools don't follow our lead and reject the C-USA invite. So like I said, unless we can steal a few C-USA members, know that a merger is going to happen, or put an agreement on paper between all current Sun Belt members, I feel confident that the first round of invites from C-USA to Sun Belt will be accepted from fear of beign left in the Sun Belt that is now forced to turn to FCS/upstarts for new members.
Agree. This is an
unlikely scenario that was posted by Tallgrass on the CUSA board. If offered, we'd jump in a micro-second.
RE: Send out the invites: C-USA 16
Assuming Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt to Big Ten and Uconn (travel partner to Boston College) and West Va (travel partner to Maryland) to ACC, I have my fingers crossed that this is the outcome. It keeps travel costs low and keep them lower by playing 6 division games and only 2 crossover games within the conference:
CUSA/West with Travel Partner:
USM/Tulane
Houston/Rice
SMU/
UNT
Tulsa/UTEP
CUSA/East with Travel Partner:
Cincy/Louisville
ECU/Marshall
UCF/USF
Memphis/UAB
You guys have a point but the last shift saw all of us in a much more stable, regional conference. Our group of schools has proven that we will stick together if the situation isn't just right. The WAC will probably get a couple of teams pinched off if these dominos really start to fall. That would leave some opportunity to work with teams like NMSU and La Tech. Maybe the CUSA schools in Texas don't want to simply add some Belt schools to fill in the gaps - this might be the push this group of schools needs to get a Southwest Conference Light going. There could be some major shifts leaving some holes in conferences. I don't think that any Belt school is going to CUSA by itself... and it might be in everybody's best interest to take the Belt, what is left of the WAC, and what is left of CUSA and come up with two viable conferences. Maybe a school like ULM gets left out... maybe South Alabama is put into a bad position... but in the end, there should be a home for everyone.
In all of these scenarios, I see the MWC getting raided. Whether that be Colorado State to the Big 12, TCU to the Big 12, or possibly Utah/BYU going to PAC 10. If the MWC loses one or two schools, they will likely snag from the WAC. If the WAC loses two schools, they are stuck at 7 and have to play ball with the Belt/CUSA. This opens up major possibilities for reallignment - where all three conferences would need to sit at a table and figure something out. Just my opinion.
(05-10-2010 07:47 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2010 07:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2010 07:02 PM)stebo Wrote: [ -> ]How would the Belt lose anything? If the domino effect starts, we will likely merge with another conference or maybe even start a new one. Nothing but good can come out of this for the Belt IMHO. Worst case scenario, we stay the way we are.... best case scenario, we add a couple of schools or do some school swapping. We might see an Eastern WAC at the end of this and the rest merged with CUSA. A big domino effect could really help the Belt. I hope that we end up with a full conference slate that makes it impossible for newbies to move up. The Div I FBS is big enough, we don't need any Roadrunners in it.
I completely disagree...I'm not saying that this will be bad for the Sun Belt, but it definitely could and to suggest that it couldn't possibly be bad for the Sun Belt is foolish, IMO. I'm all for unity among Belters, let's stick together and watch out for one another, but if a few Sun Belt schools are offered the opportunity to fill holes in C-USA I imagine they'll jump unless we strongly believe we can wrangle a few C-USA members or a merger is happening or if we all group together and sign something legally binding that we aren't leaving. Don't get me wrong, C-USA isn't much better than the Sun Belt right now as it is in actual talent and on the field product and a C-USA minus some of the top programs might be almost a complete wash, however, if MT gets an invite and I'm the one making the decision, I'm almost definitely taking it. While the difference between the current Sun Belt and a post raid C-USA might be non existent to negligible at most, I'd be afraid that if we didn't take the invite others would. So while I'd probably rather be in the current Sun Belt than a post raid C-USA, I'd rather be in the newly filled C-USA than in the Sun Belt after other schools don't follow our lead and reject the C-USA invite. So like I said, unless we can steal a few C-USA members, know that a merger is going to happen, or put an agreement on paper between all current Sun Belt members, I feel confident that the first round of invites from C-USA to Sun Belt will be accepted from fear of beign left in the Sun Belt that is now forced to turn to FCS/upstarts for new members.
Agree. This is an unlikely scenario that was posted by Tallgrass on the CUSA board. If offered, we'd jump in a micro-second.
RE: Send out the invites: C-USA 16
Assuming Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt to Big Ten and Uconn (travel partner to Boston College) and West Va (travel partner to Maryland) to ACC, I have my fingers crossed that this is the outcome. It keeps travel costs low and keep them lower by playing 6 division games and only 2 crossover games within the conference:
CUSA/West with Travel Partner:
USM/Tulane
Houston/Rice
SMU/UNT
Tulsa/UTEP
CUSA/East with Travel Partner:
Cincy/Louisville
ECU/Marshall
UCF/USF
Memphis/UAB
Unlikely to the point of unimaginable. Why would three Big East teams leave that conference even with the defections predicted? BE basketball is a huge moneymaker and will continue to be so. The influence those schools have will keep them a BCS conference and they'll just pluck what they need from CUSA, the MAC and whoever else to keep the football side properly populated.
Stebo is correct. The last go round was very positive for the Sun Belt.
Let's war game this for a minute.
Notre Dame says no.
Big XII loses Mizzou, Nebraska to Big 10, Big East loses Rutgers.
Big East response? I say that if Villanova can be appeased or out-voted. Big East adds Temple as a full member. Big East is done.
ACC stands pat.
SEC stands pat (the way their TV deal is structured is different from the Big 10, they are less likely to gain as much expanding now and if Big 10 is only going to 14 less pressure to act).
Big XII loses Colorado to the Pac-10.
Big XII chooses whether to stick at 9 or go back to 12. If they choose 12, Louisville and Cincinnati could be on radar but they likely look west and take three of: BYU, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, and TCU (all go to the North division).
MWC loses Utah to the Pac-10.
MWC is down to five and barring help from the NCAA lose the auto bid. Question becomes do WAC schools join? If six come over they can get auto bid. Seven makes 12, who gets shafted? Probably La.Tech and a pick 'em of SJSU, Idaho, NMSU.
Sun Belt weighs inviting La.Tech, if NMSU is available they get an invite, if not probably add an FCS.
If WAC don't join a crippled MWC, then it probably absorbs all five and stops at 14 schools.
MAC stands pat
CUSA stands pat
Sun Belt stands pat.
What if the Pac-10 doesn't pull the trigger and roughing out the numbers, I'm not convinced they will because I'm not convinced its benefical.
Big XII has two slots to fill both come from MWC, and probably don't include CSU or AFA. Probably a pool of New Mexico, BYU, TCU.
MWC is down to 7 and probably take Boise State, Fresno State, and stops or goes to 10 with Hawaii, or 12 with Nevada, and either Utah State or San Jose State.
TCU to the BXII...looks like you are finally coming around.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.810whb.com/article/3527
Big Ten makes initial offer to Big 12 pair
The Big Ten Conference has extended initial offers to join the league to four universities including Missouri and Nebraska from the Big 12, according to multiple sources close to the negotiations.
While nothing can be approved until the Big Ten presidents and chancellors meet the first week of June in Chicago, the league has informed the two Big 12 schools, Notre Dame and Rutgers that it would like to have them join. It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.
In order for the University of Missouri to join the Big Ten, the Missouri Board of Regents will still have to approve the move. Sources close to the governing body say the Big Ten has told officials that Mizzou could add $1.3 million per month in revenue to the lucrative Big Ten Television Network. The Big Ten Network is currently offered on basic cable to very few of over 7 million residents living in Missouri television markets and adding it throughout the state will be a windfall for the conference.
Big Ten representatives have also told Missouri officials they would like to have the entire expansion process wrapped up this summer with a formal announcement coming no later than July.
The University of Missouri is currently under contract with the Big 12 conference and will have to pay a stiff penalty to leave the Big 12. The Big 12 charter states any member will lose between 50 and 100 percent of its shared annual revenue depending on the length of notice any school gives. According to published reports, Missouri receives around $9 million annually in shared football revenue from the Big 12. According to sources, it seems likely Missouri would give one- year notice. It is projected that Missouri's football revenues would increase by $10 million or more per year when it joins the Big Ten versus what it currently receives in the Big 12.
Big Ten commish denies!
(05-11-2010 10:07 AM)JoeJag Wrote: [ -> ]
Big Ten commish denies!
Of course he does. He's not ready to answer questions about this and the i's and t's have yet to be finallized. But we all know it's coming.
What is more interesting now is how the other conferences respond.
(05-11-2010 10:04 AM)FIUFan Wrote: [ -> ]TCU to the BXII...looks like you are finally coming around.
Even with a Big XII opening, TCU ain't a done deal. Smaller, private school that doesn't even fill their stadium with a Top 10 team. Big XII will be much more interested in a larger, public school to fill any opening.
(05-11-2010 11:11 AM)MeanGreen61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2010 10:04 AM)FIUFan Wrote: [ -> ]TCU to the BXII...looks like you are finally coming around.
Even with a Big XII opening, TCU ain't a done deal. Smaller, private school that doesn't even fill their stadium with a Top 10 team. Big XII will be much more interested in a larger, public school to fill any opening.
You might be right, however, I'm surprised to see arksf' put TCU into the BXII in any scenario given our previous discussions.
