Okay, none of us posting in here get to make any decisions about who will be joining the BE or any other BCS conference. That being said, I have a question for all the current BE fans. Who among the reasonable canidates for expansion who do you want to see added? Which teams do you feel would benefit the most in football since that's what BCS expansion is really supposed to be about anyways? Ignore DMA's, financials, and all that other BS. If the BE had to add one, two, three, or more teams right now, which additions would strengthen the football conference? I'm just curious to see how BE fans feel about the actual football programs and not the markets and money in the programs. For me, If I were a fan of a current BE program that gets left behind in expansion I would definately be more concerned about strengthening the conference on the field than marketshares.
No need to be jumping down anybody's throat, just a simple thread posting a simple question. Just for the sake of it, assume that no current BCS team is available to fill any vacant spots.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, none of us posting in here get to make any decisions about who will be joining the BE or any other BCS conference. That being said, I have a question for all the current BE fans. Who among the reasonable canidates for expansion who do you want to see added? Which teams do you feel would benefit the most in football since that's what BCS expansion is really supposed to be about anyways? Ignore DMA's, financials, and all that other BS. If the BE had to add one, two, three, or more teams right now, which additions would strengthen the football conference? I'm just curious to see how BE fans feel about the actual football programs and not the markets and money in the programs. For me, If I were a fan of a current BE program that gets left behind in expansion I would definately be more concerned about strengthening the conference on the field than marketshares.
No need to be jumping down anybody's throat, just a simple thread posting a simple question. Just for the sake of it, assume that no current BCS team is available to fill any vacant spots.
If we only need 1 school - Temple with stipulations. Specifically, Temple would HAVE to include their BB program and other sports in the BE and it would have to enter into a contractual agreement to spend the money needed to make their FB program competitive. I know they made the strides on FB so far, but I would like to see the commitment continue
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Who among the reasonable canidates for expansion who do you want to see added?
If no Big East team is taken by the Big 10, then none.
If one Big East team is taken by the Big Ten, I'd lean towards UCF due to overall facilities and location.
If multiple Big East teams are taken, then I hope UofL lands in a stable BCS league.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Which teams do you feel would benefit the most in football since that's what BCS expansion is really supposed to be about anyways?
Who cares. From our perspective (current BE members), it isn't about the benefits the incoming team receives. It is about the benefits we receive by inviting them (e.g. more money, better academics, prestige, etc).
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Ignore DMA's, financials, and all that other BS.
So basically you want us to ignore the most important aspects of expansion. Here is the thing, you can't say you want a realistic answer but leave out the biggest determining factor in any expansion scenario. That is like talking about Big Ten expansion and setting aside the academic aspect. It simply cannot be done. But if we are going to throw finances out the the window, then I vote for PSU, OSU, MI, and Maryland to join the conference. If I can't go the BCS route, then UMass, URI, New Hampshire, Vermont, Delaware, and Temple.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]If the BE had to add one, two, three, or more teams right now, which additions would strengthen the football conference?
ECU and UCF would probably strengthen the current league.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just curious to see how BE fans feel about the actual football programs and not the markets and money in the programs.
Again, you can't leave financial aspect out of it because expansion is all about maximizing $$$$.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]For me, If I were a fan of a current BE program that gets left behind in expansion I would definately be more concerned about strengthening the conference on the field than marketshares.
What separates the Big East/ACC from C-USA and the Big Ten/SEC from the Big East/ACC? Money. The less you have of it, the lower on the totem pole of college athletics you are going to be.
I can't ignore the hard data, but here are my feelings on the teams in question.
ECU- I would be happy with them in our conference. When we played them in C-USA they probably brought the best road crowd to Papa Johns in that conference, they travel better than most Big East teams. I think they have great fan support and because of that would be a solid team in the football conference. Basketball, however, is an issue. Don't forget that even some of the football schools, like Louisville, still make more money in basketball than football. Overall I would be happy with them in our conference.
UCF- All I know about UCF is what I've read on message boards. From most accounts I believe this is the top pick from those that matter. I would support them in our conference because I think two Florida schools help the Big East in an important market. The size and ability of the school to be the "Orlando" school is promising, Big East affiliation would help that as well.
Memphis- Memphis has the potential to like Louisville. The problem is that in order to achieve that potential they need a similar "decade of success" in football. As they are now, I don't care for them as a future member. I feel like they are a program in decline and I just don't see any excitement out of them.
Temple- I don't know much about Temple. How invested is the city of Philadelphia in the Temple football program, my assumption is "not very much".
(05-10-2010 01:58 PM)UofL07 Wrote: [ -> ][quote='200yrs2late' pid='5413143' dateline='1273516369']
Who among the reasonable canidates for expansion who do you want to see added?
If no Big East team is taken by the Big 10, then none.
If one Big East team is taken by the Big Ten, I'd lean towards UCF due to overall facilities and location.
If multiple Big East teams are taken, then I hope UofL lands in a stable BCS league.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Which teams do you feel would benefit the most in football since that's what BCS expansion is really supposed to be about anyways?
Who cares. From our perspective (current BE members), it isn't about the benefits the incoming team receives. It is about the benefits we receive by inviting them (e.g. more money, better academics, prestige, etc).
Thats exactly what I wanted everyone to ignore. Who would you rather be playing, what teams would make the big east a better football conference, not which team makes them the most money.
(05-10-2010 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, none of us posting in here get to make any decisions about who will be joining the BE or any other BCS conference. That being said, I have a question for all the current BE fans. Who among the reasonable canidates for expansion who do you want to see added?
This is a tough question to asnwer because there are so many variables. Are we getting serious about starting a conference TV network? Does the Big Ten expansion take away teams that threaten our future as a BCS conference? Is there a split from the Catholic schools? Each of these will change your criteria.
1) AQS in question - well then we need to find football schools. At that point, you see us reach out to a school like TCU (if they will accept). Next is Central Florida, then East Carolina. Then maybe Temple.
2) Split - Well if there is a split, now we lose 3/4 of our markets, and then we have to try to replace them with as big of markets as we can. Temple, Memphis, and Central Florida become top priorities. Then you maybe even look at Buffalo or Houston. You might even see fi Umass is interested in moving up.
3) Conference Network - now it gets interesting. This assumes no split, because the markets lost woudl make it impossible. Now because you already have such a big market, you are just looking for teams you can market. Memphis and Temple's basketball are big selling points, with Temple having the double benefit of strneghening a core market. These teams are alos more known in our general footprint. Most likely, that gets you to nine football, so you need one more. You go after Navy Strong, who much like TCU above may turn you down. Then you go to Central Florida, as Central and South Florida in one corridore woudl be a boon for a network, and maybe get you sports tier clearance in other parts of Florida.
In my three different scenarios, there are three teams I see popping up; Temple, Memphis, and Central Florida. Since we are likely to lose one, and woudl be optimal to have ten for football, I will stick with those three, with ECU next if we need four teams. Navy is an automatic if they would ever say "Yes."
(05-10-2010 03:04 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: [ -> ]Thats exactly what I wanted everyone to ignore. Who would you rather be playing, what teams would make the big east a better football conference, not which team makes them the most money.
The problem is you cannot separate the two. As the Big East is the lowest BCS conference in terms of financial strength, it is absolutely imperative that the conference focus on enhancing its revenue stream. Hell, the Big Ten is focused on enhancing its revenue stream and it is the riches conference in the entire country.
So to answer your question, I want Louisville to be in a conference with whichever teams maximize our conference revenue. More revenue = more stability, the ability to hire and retain good coaches, the ability to build better facilities, etc.
JHG722, last time I checked temple is not a big east member. OP just wants Big East member responses.
