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......Ooops.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/04/oil_...m_sun.html

What the article doesn't mention is that the alternative to domestic production is importing more oil in tankers, which is a decidedly higher risk proposition. More spills, more often, and bigger spills.

(04-26-2010 02:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]......Ooops.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/04/oil_...m_sun.html

This is why Florida has continually been against more drilling off its coast-Dems and Repubs. If this spill does reach the beaches in Florida, tourism $$$ will drop in that area for a LONG time. Florida rakes in huge amounts of money from tourism. Probably more than they could make from oil.

(04-27-2010 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-26-2010 02:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]......Ooops.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/04/oil_...m_sun.html

This is why Florida has continually been against more drilling off its coast-Dems and Repubs. If this spill does reach the beaches in Florida, tourism $$$ will drop in that area for a LONG time. Florida rakes in huge amounts of money from tourism. Probably more than they could make from oil.

All those beaches will be underwater in a few years anyways. Right, Al Gore?

(04-27-2010 08:45 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2010 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-26-2010 02:09 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]......Ooops.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/04/oil_...m_sun.html

This is why Florida has continually been against more drilling off its coast-Dems and Repubs. If this spill does reach the beaches in Florida, tourism $$$ will drop in that area for a LONG time. Florida rakes in huge amounts of money from tourism. Probably more than they could make from oil.

All those beaches will be underwater in a few years anyways. Right, Al Gore?

Eventually but it will probably take more than "a few years".

They shut off the manifold on the ocean floor and it stops the discharge.

They only way to do that if the platform is destroyed is to send a submarine down to shut it down on the bottom. That takes time to get the submarine and equipment in place.

The CG is going to burn the slick. That ought to make an impressive photograph taken from space.

(04-28-2010 03:50 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]

What I find funny is that these rightwing posters are the same guys who said that with todays technology would keep oil spills from happening while drilling. Oops. These same guys recently said that new nuclear reactors are safe because of all the technology in them. Makes me feel safer already.

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/leaking_...afegu.html

I know the summer is coming, but gas prices are on the rise, watch out.

(04-29-2010 01:34 AM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ] What I find funny is that these rightwing posters are the same guys who said that with todays technology would keep oil spills from happening while drilling. Oops. These same guys recently said that new nuclear reactors are safe because of all the technology in them. Makes me feel safer already.

I don't know why I'm responding because, clearly, you're intellectually inferior to just about everyone on here, but I'll give it a try anyway.

Aside from this, and from Exxon Valdez, can you name another major accident on our coastline? Also, why don't you use what little bit of brain you have that hasn't been ate up with whatever it is that's causing that degenerative disease to contrast that with how much oil has been produced, how long we've been producing it, and how much impact it has had on the initiation of the industrial revolution.

Compared to our entire history of oil production and oil dependence, this is a drop in a very bigass bucket.

(04-29-2010 12:13 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2010 01:34 AM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ] What I find funny is that these rightwing posters are the same guys who said that with todays technology would keep oil spills from happening while drilling. Oops. These same guys recently said that new nuclear reactors are safe because of all the technology in them. Makes me feel safer already.

I don't know why I'm responding because, clearly, you're intellectually inferior to just about everyone on here, but I'll give it a try anyway.

Aside from this, and from Exxon Valdez, can you name another major accident on our coastline? Also, why don't you use what little bit of brain you have that hasn't been ate up with whatever it is that's causing that degenerative disease to contrast that with how much oil has been produced, how long we've been producing it, and how much impact it has had on the initiation of the industrial revolution.

Compared to our entire history of oil production and oil dependence, this is a drop in a very bigass bucket.

There was a blowout of a Mexican well in the Gulf back in 1980 that got Texas beaches pretty bad, but nothing since then. And it was a Mexican PEMEX well.

(04-29-2010 12:13 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2010 01:34 AM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ] What I find funny is that these rightwing posters are the same guys who said that with todays technology would keep oil spills from happening while drilling. Oops. These same guys recently said that new nuclear reactors are safe because of all the technology in them. Makes me feel safer already.

I don't know why I'm responding because, clearly, you're intellectually inferior to just about everyone on here, but I'll give it a try anyway.

Aside from this, and from Exxon Valdez, can you name another major accident on our coastline? Also, why don't you use what little bit of brain you have that hasn't been ate up with whatever it is that's causing that degenerative disease to contrast that with how much oil has been produced, how long we've been producing it, and how much impact it has had on the initiation of the industrial revolution.

Compared to our entire history of oil production and oil dependence, this is a drop in a very bigass bucket.

As usual, you missed the point. I shouldn't be shocked though, you miss them all the time. Not sure if it is because you can't read or if it is just you are incapable of thinking though.

(04-29-2010 01:09 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]As usual, you missed the point. I shouldn't be shocked though, you miss them all the time. Not sure if it is because you can't read or if it is just you are incapable of thinking though.

...and, as usual, you demonstrate your lack of the ability to pen a coherent sentence.

Burning should have started a week ago

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/burning_...ted_a.html

Will just be a very large expense on BP's books (and reputation). Costs to tourism, fishing, help from the Navy, will be large and all should be charged to BP as a cost of doing business. Might be a drop in the bucket to them but I would think it'd be quite a hit. Plus possible fines. And to think it wasn't a ship that caused the problem. Stock dropped 8% just today.

(04-29-2010 04:21 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]Burning should have started a week ago

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/burning_...ted_a.html

which suggests the obvious change in thread title.

This free market guy thinks that BP has clearly committed two gross violations of its duties to its stakeholders. Either that, or this coming on the heels of Texas City means it is the victim of unbelievably bad luck. Unbelievably, as in I don't believe.

The thing that I find particularly troubling about this one is that the well was being drilled without some safety features that could have been present (at a cost of about $500,000), and those features arguably would have kicked in and solved the problem almost immediately. Norway and Brasil (the two countries with probably the most deep water drilling experience) both require the use of such equipment, and so should the US. Shell has brought Petrobras in as a joint venturer on several projects it has going in the area, in order to make use of Petrobras's experience in Santos, Campos, and Espirito Santo.

What will be really tragic is if this malfeasance (and there simply is not another way to describe it) on the part of one player causes a reaction to curtail instead of expand offshore drilling. Deep water drilling is a decidedly more expensive and higher risk proposition than shallow water drilling, but it's still less risky than importing oil from overseas in tankers. But there simplly is no excuse for not having technologically feasible safety equipment in place.

I've posted before that places like Norway and New Zealand, both of which enjoy considerably "greener" reputations than we do, allow more offshore drilling than we do. But they do it in a way that gives environmental issues much more consideration up front. We should abandon our approach and adopt theirs, but I doubt it will ever happen. This well would be drilled in either Norwegian or New Zealand waters, but it would have been drilled with every safety feature included. That is the prudent way to go--in fact, the only way to go.

But if BP didn't fry for Texas City, they certainly should for this. If that's guilty until proven innocent thinking, I apologize. But I know a thing or two about offshore drilling, and it's going to be very hard for me to decide that they aren't grossly negligent here.

There are some conspiracy theorists who are wanting to attribute this to sabotage by green activists. Even if that proved true, BP would still be guilty of gross negligence. They're probably spending $50 million on this project, or more; in that context, what's another $500,000 for enhanced safety?

Free market means you don't give people a free ride when they screw up, whether their name is BP or Goldman or something else. Particularly, you don't give people who screwed up as badly as BP a free ride.

This may turn out to be Obama's Katrina. Economic loses could be devastating.

(04-29-2010 01:14 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2010 01:09 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]As usual, you missed the point. I shouldn't be shocked though, you miss them all the time. Not sure if it is because you can't read or if it is just you are incapable of thinking though.

...and, as usual, you demonstrate your lack of the ability to pen a coherent sentence.

How about this. Ther will not be any major nuclear accidents because the technology is so good. At the same time. Oil drilling is really safe because of the technology. Then you bash GTS for his belief on nuclear plants, yet this oil spill proves that no matter how much technology you have, accidents happen.

(04-29-2010 04:21 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]Burning should have started a week ago

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/burning_...ted_a.html

I think that the response was to slow in general(from all sides-government and private). Yes dipshit cons, that includes federal govt.