Interesting.
http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12292833
Gee, I wonder why they are interested in Shulman. Don't they know ETSU only lost to Pitt by 10 points but Chattanooga lost their game in the 2009 NCAAs by 60 to UConn?
Or might UNC-W actually be looking at relevant factors, such as age, difficulty of conference, etc.?
Note Bartow's name was never mentioned in the story. So while he may have been contacted, he didn't make the first cut.
I hate to use the greater probability of a coach leaving to show conference or program strength, but this really is telling as to how far the perception of ETSU basketball has fallen.
And also, folks, let me assure you-
Murry Bartow is NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER leaving ETSU directly for a head basketball coaching job at a superior college basketball program.
It's also my belief that in the future, maybe the near future, the Johnny Come Lately types who don't know any better will start calling Bartow the greatest ETSU coach of all time. They'll say pre-1973 doesn't count and point to his longevity and NCAA appearances.
I think UNCW's administration may be dumber than ours. They are going on 3 months without a basketball coach. Their fans on the CAAZONE.com are ticked.
Don't I remember hearing on here that UNC-W asked to speak with Bartow?
Yes, but they didn't go through with an interview.
And trust me, Bartow would love to move up from ETSU.
Again, so what? If I'm a UNCW fan, I would say "Why are we interviewing this guy?"
The CAA is a bit tougher than the SoCon, and Shulman has what, one NCAA appearance out of the SoCon?
Oh yeah, and let's all remember that the ASun is so non-competitive w/ the SoCon, ETSU is 5-2 versus the league in the past 3 years, and the ASun had a 4-3 record vs. the SoCon this year. This argument is the most ridiculous thing that keeps coming up on this board, and that's saying something. But ignoring facts is what message boards are all about.
So, if this league is so bad, how could that happen? Shouldn't this league & the Bucs be 0 fer versus such a distinguished league?
(04-12-2010 07:30 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]Again, so what? If I'm a UNCW fan, I would say "Why are we interviewing this guy?"
The CAA is a bit tougher than the SoCon, and Shulman has what, one NCAA appearance out of the SoCon?
Oh yeah, and let's all remember that the ASun is so non-competitive w/ the SoCon, ETSU is 5-2 versus the league in the past 3 years, and the ASun had a 4-3 record vs. the SoCon this year. This argument is the most ridiculous thing that keeps coming up on this board, and that's saying something. But ignoring facts is what message boards are all about.
So, if this league is so bad, how could that happen? Shouldn't this league & the Bucs be 0 fer versus such a distinguished league?
Statement issued today, he's not interested in the job.
They have a full out cluster going on at Wilmington. Can't give the job away, Murray might still have a shot!
(04-12-2010 07:43 PM)straightfromthehorsesmouth Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2010 07:30 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]Again, so what? If I'm a UNCW fan, I would say "Why are we interviewing this guy?"
The CAA is a bit tougher than the SoCon, and Shulman has what, one NCAA appearance out of the SoCon?
Oh yeah, and let's all remember that the ASun is so non-competitive w/ the SoCon, ETSU is 5-2 versus the league in the past 3 years, and the ASun had a 4-3 record vs. the SoCon this year. This argument is the most ridiculous thing that keeps coming up on this board, and that's saying something. But ignoring facts is what message boards are all about.
So, if this league is so bad, how could that happen? Shouldn't this league & the Bucs be 0 fer versus such a distinguished league?
Statement issued today, he's not interested in the job.
They have a full out cluster going on at Wilmington. Can't give the job away, Murray might still have a shot!
I suspect Shulman to be on the hot seat. He will have to deliver the goods in 2010-2011 or else.
(04-12-2010 07:30 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]Again, so what? If I'm a UNCW fan, I would say "Why are we interviewing this guy?"
The CAA is a bit tougher than the SoCon, and Shulman has what, one NCAA appearance out of the SoCon?
Oh yeah, and let's all remember that the ASun is so non-competitive w/ the SoCon, ETSU is 5-2 versus the league in the past 3 years, and the ASun had a 4-3 record vs. the SoCon this year. This argument is the most ridiculous thing that keeps coming up on this board, and that's saying something. But ignoring facts is what message boards are all about.
So, if this league is so bad, how could that happen? Shouldn't this league & the Bucs be 0 fer versus such a distinguished league?
What exactly does ETSU going 5-2 vs the SOCON have to do with the A-Sun vs the SOCON? At least for now ETSU is still a SOCON caliber team, ETSU went 15-1 vs the SOCON in 03/04 why shouldn't we expect to beat SOCON teams on a regular basis? Not sure what going 4-3 vs the SOCON this past year has to do with the A-SUN vs the SOCON, especially since 2 of those wins are credited to ETSU.
Match the teams up top to bottom and there is no contest. There is no contest when it comes to the conference RPI, there is no contest when it comes to the conference SOS, and there is no conference when it comes to the quality of the teams.
A 1 game series means very little, especially if we're talking about a home game where is suppose to be won anyone. Put any of the A-Sun teams into the SOCON for an entire year and watch what happens.
My point was, Nut, that the claim that ETSU has fallen doesn't make much sense when ETSU is beating teams from their former league. If they had only played the bottom dwellers, I might give that one to you, but App State, UTC, and Charleston are not bottom dwellers.
This comparison is just ridiculous. Yes, the ASun has a lower RPI, certainly, but the SoCon isn't good enough to be a multi-bid league either, and although it was discussed when Davidson had Curry, it still didn't happen. The differences here are small, but some folks on here want to make them massive. Simply not true.
Regardless, I want ETSU in a multi-bid league, and neither the ASun or SoCon qualifies.
4-3 is hardly a demostrative statement that the SoCon is a weaker conference than the A-Sun.
There were years past where the ACC had a winning record against the SEC. But what does Clemson beating Kentucky in a bowl game, or for that matter Duke beating Vanderbilt, really mean?
I'm not saying that Shulman is this great coach. But I am saying that if he's getting an interview and Bartow is not, then it speaks volumes about what others perceptions are about the A-Sun, ETSU, Bartow, etc.
I suspect Shulman to be on the hot seat. He will have to deliver the goods in 2010-2011 or else.
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He might be on the hot seat but UTC doesn't have the money to buy out a coach. If he isn't getting extensions (and I really have no idea what his terms are) he might see the writing on the totem pole and try to find higher ground, but they ain't paying nobody to leave.
But wait a minute... didn't Cliff Warren, coach of Jacksonville of the lowly ASun, who couldn't even win the league tournament, get an interview @ frickin' Clemson??? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Clemson is in the ACC. UNCW is in the CAA. So what does that say, spin doctor?
It means people are more impressed with turning a program around the way Warren did than catching lightning in a bottle or squeaking by the 4, 6, and 7 seeds in the A-Sun after inheriting a winner and regressing it as Bartow has.
Regressing? Getting to the NCAA 3 times and NIT once in 7 years is regressing?
Newsflash Pitt: In mid-major conferences like the ASun and SoCon, it's a ONE bid league. Not multi. ONE. So you gotta win the conference tournament. I know Davidson was oh-so-close last year to getting that multi-bid from the SoCon, but alas, they didn't get it.
So I guess you can interpret this as: Clemson wants a decent regular season coach that can't win the game when everything's on the line.
Amazingly, you cease to give any credit to Bartow whatsoever -- I complained about the guy, I'll admit it -- but he came through at the precise time I thought he wouldn't this year, and that was after the death of a team member and losing your best player to injury. It's also interesting that you don't value winning the conference tournament on the host team's home court. That same team had throttled the Bucs just what, a month before that, on that very court. Those are facts, Pitt, not spin. It's you that's spinning, but we all know that's nothing new.
I would guess Warren got an interview at Clemson because he was an assistant under Hewitt for 9 years including the 2004 run to the National championship game by Georgia Tech. He has ACC ties. But before the A-Sun people jump on the fact that an A-Sun coach interviewed for an ACC job and the SoCon coach only got an interview with a CAA school, *Cough GoBucsGo cough.* Clemson is also interested in Woffords coach he was interviewed before Warren.
Those are the cold hard facts. Much more...ETSU is in position to not only make the tournament in 2011...but win a game...I think Sweet 16 is a possibility.
Next week is crucial. If Murry and company sign a difference maker or two... Murry could run for congress and win. Murry could be the next Brad. Without the expense of football...ETSU will be able to fork over huge chunks of change to keep him in the fold.
I'm predicting all of this becomes reality. We will know in a year.
Now we need an AD that will turn out the crowds and get rid of the stupid crowd restrictions. Smooooze the Fire Marshall now. Let's get back to where we were with Les and Alan.
I wonder who makes more...Shulman or Murry? Shulman's base is $125,000.
(04-13-2010 08:24 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]Regressing? Getting to the NCAA 3 times and NIT once in 7 years is regressing?
Newsflash Pitt: In mid-major conferences like the ASun and SoCon, it's a ONE bid league. Not multi. ONE. So you gotta win the conference tournament. I know Davidson was oh-so-close last year to getting that multi-bid from the SoCon, but alas, they didn't get it.
So I guess you can interpret this as: Clemson wants a decent regular season coach that can't win the game when everything's on the line.
Amazingly, you cease to give any credit to Bartow whatsoever -- I complained about the guy, I'll admit it -- but he came through at the precise time I thought he wouldn't this year, and that was after the death of a team member and losing your best player to injury. It's also interesting that you don't value winning the conference tournament on the host team's home court. That same team had throttled the Bucs just what, a month before that, on that very court. Those are facts, Pitt, not spin. It's you that's spinning, but we all know that's nothing new.
Spin is you trying to paint me as a Bartow basher, when at times I've been his only friend on here and to this day say he should be retained as ETSU head coach, or that a 5th place A-Sun team is the equal of a regular season SoCon Champ projected to go to the Sweet 16 by SI.
That's the fact, Jack.
Do you really think anyone takes you seriously, Go?
(04-13-2010 09:08 AM)Mister Jennings Wrote: [ -> ]Those are the cold hard facts. Much more...ETSU is in position to not only make the tournament in 2011...but win a game...I think Sweet 16 is a possibility.
Next week is crucial. If Murry and company sign a difference maker or two... Murry could run for congress and win. Murry could be the next Brad. Without the expense of football...ETSU will be able to fork over huge chunks of change to keep him in the fold.
I'm predicting all of this becomes reality. We will know in a year.
Now we need an AD that will turn out the crowds and get rid of the stupid crowd restrictions. Smooooze the Fire Marshall now. Let's get back to where we were with Les and Alan.
I wonder who makes more...Shulman or Murry? Shulman's base is $125,000.
Murry.
This is a post from:
http://news.collegesportsinfo.com It's old but notice the hierarchy....SoCon and CAA are mentioned as an improvement.
Murry Bartow - ETSU coach
Bartow might fall into the "retread" category as he was the coach at UAB prior to ETSU. But with 3 seasons with 20 or more wins, and back-to-back NCAA tourney bids, Bartow could turn his current job at an Atlantic Sun school to one in the SoCon or CAA.
I think this is true...The Southern and CAA are a move up. Much more...ETSU is in the worst league in the nation by perception. I know we have a marginally better record in head to head matchups...but the bottom line is seeding. The ASun is a solid 16...or 19 if the tournament expands... Meanwhile the Southern and OVC are 14 and 13.
Make no mistake about it... ETSU plays in the worst conference in America. Thanks ETSU executives for getting rid of football. Five years down the path can you at least admit the mistake and begin to rectify? My school has blown it...ASun stinks. ETSU needs to change plans and begin anew. What has been done is not working...our backward progression must be stopped. Demand change. Our school is hurting.
(04-13-2010 08:24 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]Regressing? Getting to the NCAA 3 times and NIT once in 7 years is regressing?
Newsflash Pitt: In mid-major conferences like the ASun and SoCon, it's a ONE bid league. Not multi. ONE. So you gotta win the conference tournament. I know Davidson was oh-so-close last year to getting that multi-bid from the SoCon, but alas, they didn't get it.
So I guess you can interpret this as: Clemson wants a decent regular season coach that can't win the game when everything's on the line.
Amazingly, you cease to give any credit to Bartow whatsoever -- I complained about the guy, I'll admit it -- but he came through at the precise time I thought he wouldn't this year, and that was after the death of a team member and losing your best player to injury. It's also interesting that you don't value winning the conference tournament on the host team's home court. That same team had throttled the Bucs just what, a month before that, on that very court. Those are facts, Pitt, not spin. It's you that's spinning, but we all know that's nothing new.
