CSNbbs

Their game plan is simple. Jack up threes (they're 10-19), and if they miss rebound it for a lay up.

Of course we have some world class flopping going on as well, but that's to be expected.

Yeah, who could like a bunch of kids who are fundamentally sound (including defensive positioning to take charges), play together, are good at what they do, go to class and graduate, and don't show up on the police blotter?

Jealousy doesn't become you Dipper.

(04-04-2010 09:12 AM)MajorHoople Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, who could like a bunch of kids who are fundamentally sound (including defensive positioning to take charges), play together, are good at what they do, go to class and graduate, and don't show up on the police blotter?

Jealousy doesn't become you Dipper.

So you've bought into the fallacy that Duke is clean? Sucker. "American Tobacco U" aka Duke has had a history of getting parents of recruits, jobs that they weren't qualified for. This program is as tainted as any, and Mr. Clean Jean Coach Kazjjcaiuduski ain't the saint he's portrayed as.

(To quote a famous man on this board):

Link?

Seriously, you haven't read this story? I think SI did a feature on it. ESSS linked it again awhile back. But, you probably haven't. As the main stream sports media was quick to bury it.

A three-month investigation by The Times-Picayune found:

Chris Duhon's mother, Vivian Harper, landed a job working for a Duke booster; co-workers say the job opening was never posted and that Harper was overpaid and lacked qualifications. When a manager at the company asked why Harper was moving from Louisiana, supervisors informed him that her son, one of the nation's top recruits, had signed to play at Duke.

Harper found a job at NCM Capital Management Group, a billion-dollar money management firm owned by Maceo Sloan, who displays in his office the basketball he received as a gift from Duke's 1991 national championship team.

How Harper learned of the NCM job is unclear, because the full-time position she got in its operations department was never posted, according to several former employees. No details were available from Harper, who initially offered to provide her resume to prove her qualifications for the position. When contacted later, she said, 'I'm not interested in talking to you.' Attempts to reach Duhon were unsuccessful.

Robert Sinclair, former manager of operations at the NCM, said Harper was the only candidate for the position. He also said when his supervisors gave him Harper's resume and he questioned her move from Louisiana to Durham, his supervisors explained, 'Her son is going to play at Duke.'
Well, let's hire her

Sinclair said he recalls Harper having some banking experience, but lacking a Series 7 General Securities license, which allows agents to sell stocks, bonds and other investment vehicles.

Justin Beckett, a former Duke football player who represented former Duke basketball stars Christian Laettner and Brian Davis when the players turned pro, was the company's No. 2 executive when Harper was hired. Beckett did not return several phone messages.
No, no connection to Duke basketball. They're clean as a whistle

Sinclair and two other former employees said Harper started at a higher salary than other account specialists and got a significant raise in her first few months on the job. Sinclair declined to provide details, other than to say, 'She didn't make entry level.'

Kaye Wrenn, a former employee who filed a sexual harassment complaint when she left the company in 2001, claims she saw documents showing Harper got a raise of $10,000 to $14,000 within four months of Harper's arrival that increased her salary to at least $42,000. Wrenn and other former employees said entry-level salary for account specialists was about $28,000 a year.

Cindy Mandel, the company's payroll and benefits administrator when Harper arrived but who no longer is with the company, said, 'I know she was making more than me, and I was making $35,000.'
$$$$$$$$$ Thanks for overpaying me sir.............I'm sure it has nothing to do with who my son is or where he plays.

Similar story about Carlos Boozer and his family if you'd like to read it

Yeah, there are tons of examples of cronyism and pushing the limits from Dook's boosters. Good thing they don't like football.

(04-04-2010 10:52 AM)MajorHoople Wrote: [ -> ](To quote a famous man on this board):

Link?

Thanks. I'm with CD on this one. It's pretty much common knowledge Puke has been doing this for years. While, for some reason, I don't hate this year's edition of Puke, I DO hate the fact DC turns into Puke country during the tournament.

Thanks for posting the story, Dipper. I do remember reading it now.

However - Kryzewski is not mentioned in it at all. Boozer last played at Duke in '02, Duhon '04.

If there was a continuing story here, in this day and age of reporters-writers-broadcasters trying to make their Woodward and Bernstein names for themselves - there would'nt have been some kind of follow-up (not to mention a Myles Brand-NCAA investigation)?

Again - Duke basketball players are fundamentally sound, play together, go to class and graduate (unless drafted into NBA) and do not wind up in the police briefs-legal section of newspapers.

And when they win, message board posters whine about them, their coach, and school.

Quote:However - Kryzewski is not mentioned in it at all. Boozer last played at Duke in '02, Duhon '04.

Oh come on. Do you really think Kaoiuujcski wasn't aware of this? This guy knows when his players have a bowel movement (Assistant Coach Johnson in charge of tracking team bowel movements). As for it being just Duhon and Boozer, those are just the ones where they got caught.

^ I get it - like Cheney, Rove, W. et al "knew" there were WMDs in Iraq

"Got caught"? Duke has not been been found guilty (even NCAA-investigated) much less penalized.

And - once AGAIN - what do your allegations have to do with how well their kids play basketball and comport themselves on campus?

From your OP, your biggest complaint seems to be they are good three-point shooters, play with second effort (offensive rebounds), and are in position defensively to take advantage of out-of-control dribble-drivers.

What a terrible way to play basketball. Man, those are some renegade 18-22 year olds.

Duke is bad, but nothing is as bad as Butler and Eli Lilly's dough. Talk about corrupt. UGH.

(04-04-2010 05:26 PM)DesertBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Duke is bad, but nothing is as bad as Butler and Eli Lilly's dough. Talk about corrupt. UGH.

Evangeline Lilly went to Butler? I did not know that.

And I would take her money to do whatever she wanted...

Rowwrrr.

Quote:^ I get it - like Cheney, Rove, W. et al "knew" there were WMDs in Iraq

No, nothing like that.

He even tries to connect Duke cheating to Bush

Before we went to war in Iraq, what did DEMOCRATS say about the connection between Saddam and WMDs?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

(04-04-2010 05:26 PM)DesertBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Duke is bad, but nothing is as bad as Butler and Eli Lilly's dough. Talk about corrupt. UGH.

Seriously, DB, I do not know: What does Eli Lilly and Co. have to do with Pfizer?

You're so easy, Dipper; I knew I could get you going with that line.

You can go back to "scouting" HS basketball prospects now.

(04-04-2010 05:45 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: [ -> ]You're so easy, Dipper; I knew I could get you going with that line.

You can go back to "scouting" HS basketball prospects now.

No, you were wrong on both counts. But rather than admit that you were wrong on Duke, or that the idea of WMD's was embraced by Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and others, you resort to............."I was baiting you." Come on, you're the smartest guy in the room, I expect more.

wow...all of you guys are wrong. chipdip- you can not tell me that duke is the only team that does it...USC for instance and OJ Mayo, majorhoople im sure it has happened in duke.

Majorhoople I agree 100% percent with you. duke is a classy, well taught, fundemantaly sound, group of winners. Chipdip how can you not like duke? besides your accusation...

Translated: Cheating is fine because other people do it.

[quote='Chipdip' pid='5333684' dateline='1270424747']
Translated: Cheating is fine because other people

ok, great answer to my question.

(04-04-2010 06:48 PM)JBStemp5 Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Chipdip' pid='5333684' dateline='1270424747']
Translated: Cheating is fine because other people

ok, great answer to my question.

Maybe you got that because it was an incredibly stupid as in ASININE question.

"How could you not like Duke?".

Here's a question for you. How could you not like (liver/salmon/insert whatever your pleasure is here)? I mean, really?