How ridiculous is it that Bonds and some of his buddies (Danny Glover, Jesse Jackson, etc) are playing the race card because baseball won't celebrate him becoming the #2 all-time HR leader?
Facts:
-Bonds took steroids (clear and cream)
-Bonds is a jerk to a lot of people
-He's not going to be #1, only #2. Since when do you celebrate 2nd place accomplishments in sports?
Myths:
-This is racist. No, just because he happens to be black doesn't mean this is racist. Racism will never die because people simply won't let it. Just because you don't get your way doesn't mean you are a victim of racism.
Playing the race card is ridiculous in this situation. Maybe if you weren't a jerk and didn't take ILLEGAL substances things could be different. Or maybe you should just become the ALL TIME HR leader, not #2, if you want people to celebrate your accomplishments.
Quote:Facts:
-Bonds took steroids (clear and cream)
-Bonds is a jerk to a lot of people
-He's not going to be #1, only #2. Since when do you celebrate 2nd place accomplishments in sports?
IMHO race has nothing to do with this. If you are an a-hole to people you are an a-hole no matter what the color of your skin.
Bonds is a a-hole plane and simple. I have a feelig that if this was Griffy in stead of Bondhole, people would be treating this differently.
I do think they might treat it a bit differently if it was Griffey but that is for a few reasons: 1. Griffey is not a known jerk 2. Griffey didn't take steroids
STLouis Blazer Wrote:-He's not going to be #1, only #2. Since when do you celebrate 2nd place accomplishments in sports?
This is what kills me. When Cal Ripken passed the guy
before Lou Gehrig, did anyone care?
Without looking it up, can anyone actually name that person?
Bonds gets talked about because ESPN is a whore.
He'll never be thought of in the same light ast Ruth, or Aaron for that matter.
Why? Because the public perception is that he's a jerk and a cheater. And nobody likes a jerk or a cheater.
I myself do not hold Bonds in high esteem. However, I do view things in a different way. We all have been given a free will to do whatever we want to do. Nature allows us to do whatever we want to do as long as we do not harm others in doing so. If we want to injure ourselves for the glory of obtaining the eyes of the world then that is our business. If we want to treat ourselves like animals and shoot oursleves with steriods (they shoot horses don't they?) then that is our consequences. If you take steriods, does that harm the person next to you? No, so why does it upset us? We have the free will to not respect such a person. We have the free will to not attend any games played by such a person. We can say that for a person to shoot himself with steriods is an unfair advantage to the law abiding players but if we look into the truth, we are the one who created the game of sports. We are the ones who are encouraging the players to better themselves in their performances. Some of us do not care if steriods are being used but, as for me, I do not care either way what a player does except to have no respect for those who do not care for themselves, healthwise. If a player chooses to shortened their lives then they will be the ones to have to live with the consequences, not me. If the fans want to treat Bonds as the Queen of the decade, then fine. Or, if the fans do not want to treat Bonds as King of the decade, then fine. It makes no difference to me. If someone takes the bull by the horn and clean up the steriods business then I'll be the first one to sing praises but I don't ever expect to see that happening. Everything that I see happening in life is exactly what is meant to happen. How else are we going to learn what is not good unless we see what happens when we do these things?
Blazzy Wrote:We have the free will to not attend any games played by such a person.
and this happened in the last 7 games at home. Bonds is on the verge of making history by hitting 714, then maybe 715, at home. How many of those 7 games were sellouts?
0 just shows me how respected he is and people aren't that in awe of him tying/passing Ruth.
btw, WAY TO GO JUAN PIERRE!!!
I am a big Bonds critic and I know for a fact, by only looking at his appearance over the last 8 years, that Bonds had to use some kind of drug or he had to move into a gym to get as big as he has over the last few years.
No matter how much people hate Bonds, hitting 700+ homeruns is something that should be celebrated. BTW, of all of the drug tests Bonds has taken, he has passed them all and that includes the new tests that were recently implemented to detect the "new" drugs.
At the time he was taking steroids MLB did not have the policies they have in place and it was a substance that could not be detected by the tests they were using.
Performance enhancing drugs will probably always be one step ahead of testing.
i dont think bonds should be celebrated if he hits 756. baseball records have a sense of majesty to them. i definitely dont look at 73 the same way i did 61. if bonds surpasses 755, whatever his final tally is for hr's will not have the same aura around it has aaron's mark. he will forever be looked at as a cheater even if he passes a million drug tests. remember, he admitted to a grand jury that he "unknowingly" applied the cream and the clear. come on. he is a jerk who seems infatuated with himself you want me to believe him that he didnt know what he was putting into his body (substance from a known roid user). i'm not a smart man, but that is common sense. he cheated plain and simple and i think his records should be null and void. end of story.
rafael palmeiro had hall of famer numbers. a consistent power hitter who i think was destined for the hall. now, i dont want him in. it minimizes the accomplishments of those already in the hall. i grew up outside of oakland during the bash brother days with mcgwire and canseco and idolized them. i dont want them in the hall either.
tceaz Wrote:i dont think bonds should be celebrated if he hits 756. baseball records have a sense of majesty to them. i definitely dont look at 73 the same way i did 61. if bonds surpasses 755, whatever his final tally is for hr's will not have the same aura around it has aaron's mark. he will forever be looked at as a cheater even if he passes a million drug tests. remember, he admitted to a grand jury that he "unknowingly" applied the cream and the clear. come on. he is a jerk who seems infatuated with himself you want me to believe him that he didnt know what he was putting into his body (substance from a known roid user). i'm not a smart man, but that is common sense. he cheated plain and simple and i think his records should be null and void. end of story.
rafael palmeiro had hall of famer numbers. a consistent power hitter who i think was destined for the hall. now, i dont want him in. it minimizes the accomplishments of those already in the hall. i grew up outside of oakland during the bash brother days with mcgwire and canseco and idolized them. i dont want them in the hall either.
You mentioned not wanting Bonds, Conseco, etc. in the Hall and I understand that argument, but what about Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Fielder, Darryl Strawberry, etc. Those guys did as much wrong as Bonds and the others who used or might have used steroids.
StunnerJR Wrote:what about Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Fielder, Darryl Strawberry, etc. Those guys did as much wrong as Bonds and the others who used or might have used steroids.
They're not in the HOF, either.
also, fielder, strawberry, and joe jackson really dont have the credentials to get in the hall. jackson didnt throw that series. although he signed his "mark" to the deal (he was illiterate) he batted .400 in the series. hate to see him in the series if he wasnt throwing the game. rose is a whole different story. based on his stats, he undoubtedly should be a first ballot hall of famer. he bet on baseball namely his own team according to certain reports. i am not completely aware of all the ins and outs of his case, but i think his punishment fits the crime. he tainted the sanctity of the game by his actions. all those fans who spent hard earned money to go to a game that wasnt decided by the best team but by rose's actions to help him earn a buck. i love the way he played the game. he didnt have as much talent as others, but he earned his nickname. for a lack of a better term, he f*ed up and now he is paying for it.
StunnerJR Wrote:tceaz Wrote:i dont think bonds should be celebrated if he hits 756. baseball records have a sense of majesty to them. i definitely dont look at 73 the same way i did 61. if bonds surpasses 755, whatever his final tally is for hr's will not have the same aura around it has aaron's mark. he will forever be looked at as a cheater even if he passes a million drug tests. remember, he admitted to a grand jury that he "unknowingly" applied the cream and the clear. come on. he is a jerk who seems infatuated with himself you want me to believe him that he didnt know what he was putting into his body (substance from a known roid user). i'm not a smart man, but that is common sense. he cheated plain and simple and i think his records should be null and void. end of story.
rafael palmeiro had hall of famer numbers. a consistent power hitter who i think was destined for the hall. now, i dont want him in. it minimizes the accomplishments of those already in the hall. i grew up outside of oakland during the bash brother days with mcgwire and canseco and idolized them. i dont want them in the hall either.
You mentioned not wanting Bonds, Conseco, etc. in the Hall and I understand that argument, but what about Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Fielder, Darryl Strawberry, etc. Those guys did as much wrong as Bonds and the others who used or might have used steroids.
Shoeless Joe gave back the money and hit like an SOB in that series. Don't lump him in there.
Over the eight games in the 1919 World Series, Joe went 12 for 32 (.375)
True, he was guilty of knowing about the fix and not speaking up, but let's face it: would YOU want to be the one who was going to rat out some of Chicago's biggest gamblers of the day? In the end, it's baseball, not worth dying for.
tceaz Wrote:also, fielder, strawberry, and joe jackson really dont have the credentials to get in the hall. jackson didnt throw that series. although he signed his "mark" to the deal (he was illiterate) he batted .400 in the series. hate to see him in the series if he wasnt throwing the game. rose is a whole different story. based on his stats, he undoubtedly should be a first ballot hall of famer. he bet on baseball namely his own team according to certain reports. i am not completely aware of all the ins and outs of his case, but i think his punishment fits the crime. he tainted the sanctity of the game by his actions. all those fans who spent hard earned money to go to a game that wasnt decided by the best team but by rose's actions to help him earn a buck. i love the way he played the game. he didnt have as much talent as others, but he earned his nickname. for a lack of a better term, he f*ed up and now he is paying for it.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jacksjo01.shtml
A career average of .356 and one of the top 5 players of his day. 1772 hits in 9 full years. 6 of his 9 seasons he was in the top 3 in number of hits. 6 of his 9 seasons he was in the top 5 in RBI's. Commissioner Landis scapegoated him and the rest of the Black Sox to save Baseball.
Joe Jackson is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer should he become eligible.
rose should get in b/c of his on the field play. hell, there is one guy in the HOF who killed another person. ty cobb was the biggest SOB around, and he's in.
i cant stand bonds. he's just trying to bring more attention to himself. i applaud selig for not celebrating the #2 person.
dfarr Wrote:rose should get in b/c of his on the field play. hell, there is one guy in the HOF who killed another person. ty cobb was the biggest SOB around, and he's in.
i cant stand bonds. he's just trying to bring more attention to himself. i applaud selig for not celebrating the #2 person.
Don't applaud Selig. If he had a backbone the league policy would have had teeth years ago.
He fiddled while Rome burned.
dfarr Wrote:rose should get in b/c of his on the field play. hell, there is one guy in the HOF who killed another person. ty cobb was the biggest SOB around, and he's in.
i cant stand bonds. he's just trying to bring more attention to himself. i applaud selig for not celebrating the #2 person.
As of 7:22 CST, Bonds is one HR behind Ruth.