Today’s conference realignment rumor comes to you courtesty of an anonymous coach at the Mid-American Conference meetings, and no, it doesn’t involve some conspiracy theory involving the Big East. So sorry to all the Memphis, East Carolina or Marshall fans who can calm down for a bit and stop blowing kisses on Big East message boards and sending e-mails to Mike Tranghese.
This one won’t cause a tremor on the Realignment Richter Scale.
Western Kentucky and Temple to the MAC for all sports? Eh, OK.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_...berns.html
-Temple to the MAC for basketball is/was a lot closer possiblity than what most MAC fans realize.
-With Rick Cryst leaving last year, that has slowed the push to get a 14th on board. He decided to finalize the TV agreement with ESPN first before leaving.
-Everyone now I think is waiting until the Big 10 and PAC-10 make their expansion selections. There is no point in the MAC making any more moves until things shake out.
and the oscar for smartest man in the world goes to ....congrats
As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
(03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
(03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
(03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
(03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
It is not just basketball, but 'all sports' that will have ti be considered, not only by Temple, but the other MAC schools. What would be the cost to each MAC school to send the tiddly-winks team or the dance team to Philly every other year? This is part of the calculation. $$$ is a very big factor in how the other MAC presidents woul;d view any expansion. FB only by Temple is a non-issue, because the MAC team would travel to another in conference or out of conference game. The picture gets muddier if you add W Kentucky and Temple to the mix, for all sports.
(03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
Is that a serious question? Akron and Kent compared to X and UD is laughable.
And no, it has not been 'seriously considered'. It's been 'seriously considered' as much as submitting a bid to the Big Ten.
If you think joining the MAC for basketball would make no difference in recruiting, then you're an idiot and know zero about recruiting and how these kids think.
What an absolutely awful and utterly clueless post by you. Just awful.
Airport KC knows more about conference realignment then just about anyone. Apparently it's all he thinks about all day long. I'd be shocked if Temple hasn't given some consideration to going to the MAC for all sports. They may have even thought of going to the A10 for all sports.
(03-07-2010 10:43 PM)NIUGAHuskie Wrote: [ -> ]Airport KC knows more about conference realignment then just about anyone. Apparently it's all he thinks about all day long. I'd be shocked if Temple hasn't given some consideration to going to the MAC for all sports. They may have even thought of going to the A10 for all sports.
This is not really a realignment discussion.
What I know the most about is what makes a conference tick and what makes a program succeed.
JGH sees the A10 on TV and sees multiple A10's in the tourney and thinks based on those 2 facts that Temple would not consider a move down AND that the A10 is closer to the level of the Big East than the MAC. That is not an unreasonable assumption.
The reality of the situation is if Dayton and Xavier decided to move to the MAC, the MAC would be stronger than the A10 in the post season and TV. Or, more realistically they decided to move to the MVC the MVC would pass the A10.
This is all I'm trying to say, the A10 is a mid major conference that in most years can play like a major due to a few national programs.
(03-07-2010 11:08 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 10:43 PM)NIUGAHuskie Wrote: [ -> ]Airport KC knows more about conference realignment then just about anyone. Apparently it's all he thinks about all day long. I'd be shocked if Temple hasn't given some consideration to going to the MAC for all sports. They may have even thought of going to the A10 for all sports.
This is not really a realignment discussion.
What I know the most about is what makes a conference tick and what makes a program succeed.
JGH sees the A10 on TV and sees multiple A10's in the tourney and thinks based on those 2 facts that Temple would not consider a move down AND that the A10 is closer to the level of the Big East than the MAC. That is not an unreasonable assumption.
The reality of the situation is if Dayton and Xavier decided to move to the MAC, the MAC would be stronger than the A10 in the post season and TV. Or, more realistically they decided to move to the MVC the MVC would pass the A10.
This is all I'm trying to say, the A10 is a mid major conference that in most years can play like a major due to a few national programs.
And the MAC is a low-major one bid league, so?
We're not killing our bread and butter. Period.
(03-07-2010 11:29 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:08 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 10:43 PM)NIUGAHuskie Wrote: [ -> ]Airport KC knows more about conference realignment then just about anyone. Apparently it's all he thinks about all day long. I'd be shocked if Temple hasn't given some consideration to going to the MAC for all sports. They may have even thought of going to the A10 for all sports.
This is not really a realignment discussion.
What I know the most about is what makes a conference tick and what makes a program succeed.
JGH sees the A10 on TV and sees multiple A10's in the tourney and thinks based on those 2 facts that Temple would not consider a move down AND that the A10 is closer to the level of the Big East than the MAC. That is not an unreasonable assumption.
The reality of the situation is if Dayton and Xavier decided to move to the MAC, the MAC would be stronger than the A10 in the post season and TV. Or, more realistically they decided to move to the MVC the MVC would pass the A10.
This is all I'm trying to say, the A10 is a mid major conference that in most years can play like a major due to a few national programs.
And the MAC is a low-major one bid league, so?
We're not killing our bread and butter. Period.
The way the system is today:
High Major: BE, SEC, ACC, B10, B12, PAC10
Mid Major: A10, MVC, MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC, SBC, WCC, CAA, Horizon
Low Major: Everyone else
By virtue of having FBS football the MAC is at least recognized as a mid-major conference. Other non-FBS conferences are in because they have a recent tradition of getting multiple teams into the NCAA tournament.
You may want to get a subscription to glasses, or consider a tutor for reading comprehension. I said KSU/Akron aren't that much worse than Dayton/Xavier.
I don't understand why you have such a personal vendetta against anything that I post.
I have read what you have posted when you're trying to put forth sensible discussion and quite frankly have not found anything you've had to say very insightful.
Edited to remove unapproved post
(03-07-2010 10:26 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
Is that a serious question? Akron and Kent compared to X and UD is laughable.
And no, it has not been 'seriously considered'. It's been 'seriously considered' as much as submitting a bid to the Big Ten.
If you think joining the MAC for basketball would make no difference in recruiting, then you're an idiot and know zero about recruiting and how these kids think.
What an absolutely awful and utterly clueless post by you. Just awful.
For whatever reason you don't think the MAC is doing very well at all in recruiting.
Kent State has averaged 23 wins a year over the past 11 seasons. How many A10 programs can say that? At most maybe 3.
The A-10 was 1 bid recently. Its not that great of a conference. Its a full tier below the Big East.
(03-08-2010 12:18 AM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 10:26 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
Is that a serious question? Akron and Kent compared to X and UD is laughable.
And no, it has not been 'seriously considered'. It's been 'seriously considered' as much as submitting a bid to the Big Ten.
If you think joining the MAC for basketball would make no difference in recruiting, then you're an idiot and know zero about recruiting and how these kids think.
What an absolutely awful and utterly clueless post by you. Just awful.
For whatever reason you don't think the MAC is doing very well at all in recruiting.
Kent State has averaged 23 wins a year over the past 11 seasons. How many A10 programs can say that? At most maybe 3.
The A-10 was 1 bid recently. Its not that great of a conference. Its a full tier below the Big East.
Yeah, playing EMU, Ball State, CMU, etc. woop dee doo? There is no comparison between the A10 and MAC. NONE. That includes programs, recruiting, support, etc. The A10 is not a major conference, and we're not claiming it to be, but it's the best non-Big Six conference. Also, if the A10 is 'not that great of a conference', what do you call the MAC, which is comparable to the SoCon and MAAC, while the A10 is comparable to the Big Ten, MWC and Pac 10.
Seriously, you're just making yourself look stupid.
(03-08-2010 12:34 AM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2010 12:18 AM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 10:26 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
Is that a serious question? Akron and Kent compared to X and UD is laughable.
And no, it has not been 'seriously considered'. It's been 'seriously considered' as much as submitting a bid to the Big Ten.
If you think joining the MAC for basketball would make no difference in recruiting, then you're an idiot and know zero about recruiting and how these kids think.
What an absolutely awful and utterly clueless post by you. Just awful.
For whatever reason you don't think the MAC is doing very well at all in recruiting.
Kent State has averaged 23 wins a year over the past 11 seasons. How many A10 programs can say that? At most maybe 3.
The A-10 was 1 bid recently. Its not that great of a conference. Its a full tier below the Big East.
Yeah, playing EMU, Ball State, CMU, etc. woop dee doo? There is no comparison between the A10 and MAC. NONE. That includes programs, recruiting, support, etc. The A10 is not a major conference, and we're not claiming it to be, but it's the best non-Big Six conference. Also, if the A10 is 'not that great of a conference', what do you call the MAC, which is comparable to the SoCon and MAAC, while the A10 is comparable to the Big Ten, MWC and Pac 10.
Seriously, you're just making yourself look stupid.
The MAC is comparable to the Horizon and CAA, not the SoCon and MAAC. The MAC has a long tradition of putting players into the NBA and making runs in the tourney.
The A10 is comparable to MWC, MVC, and CUSA. It consists of mostly second tier programs.
(03-08-2010 01:05 AM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2010 12:34 AM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2010 12:18 AM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 10:26 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
Is that a serious question? Akron and Kent compared to X and UD is laughable.
And no, it has not been 'seriously considered'. It's been 'seriously considered' as much as submitting a bid to the Big Ten.
If you think joining the MAC for basketball would make no difference in recruiting, then you're an idiot and know zero about recruiting and how these kids think.
What an absolutely awful and utterly clueless post by you. Just awful.
For whatever reason you don't think the MAC is doing very well at all in recruiting.
Kent State has averaged 23 wins a year over the past 11 seasons. How many A10 programs can say that? At most maybe 3.
The A-10 was 1 bid recently. Its not that great of a conference. Its a full tier below the Big East.
Yeah, playing EMU, Ball State, CMU, etc. woop dee doo? There is no comparison between the A10 and MAC. NONE. That includes programs, recruiting, support, etc. The A10 is not a major conference, and we're not claiming it to be, but it's the best non-Big Six conference. Also, if the A10 is 'not that great of a conference', what do you call the MAC, which is comparable to the SoCon and MAAC, while the A10 is comparable to the Big Ten, MWC and Pac 10.
Seriously, you're just making yourself look stupid.
The MAC is comparable to the Horizon and CAA, not the SoCon and MAAC. The MAC has a long tradition of putting players into the NBA and making runs in the tourney.
The A10 is comparable to MWC, MVC, and CUSA. It consists of mostly second tier programs.
Yes, 2nd tier programs, not 4th tier programs. And we're at the top of the 2nd tier, which puts us a helluva lot closer to the Big Six...
(03-08-2010 01:08 AM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2010 01:05 AM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2010 12:34 AM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2010 12:18 AM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 10:26 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:52 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:19 PM)Airport KC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 08:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there's a better chance we join the Pac 10.
If I'm looking 5 years down the road for Temple I say here are the odds:
25%- Rejoin the Big East
25%- Join CUSA in some capacity
25%- Join MAC for all sports
25%- Maintain status quo MAC FB/A-10 BB
Its not easy to say what is going to happen with all the shaking going on but I will say its likely Temple does make some change by 2015.
MAC BB is more highly thought of than what you might realize. ESPN2 was willing to put on Kent State vs. Akron on a Friday night. This year the MAC had a game of the week Saturday at Noon on ESPNU for the first time.
Is the A-10 a step ahead of MAC hoops? Nobody would argue against that. Is that step a critical one, no. Take a look at the Horizon conference, Butler is managing a national program just fine out of there.
You can't give me any evidence that says a move to the MAC for basketball would damage the program.
Do you know anything about recruiting? Butler and Gonzaga are very different situations from ours. That's not our goal. We want to be a top program in a top conference. Butler and Gonzaga are not. No one thinks highly of MAC basketball and no one thinks highly of MAC football. That's pure crap.
Highly is in relative terms.
What I think is pure crap is the idea that it will make a difference in recruiting whether you play in the MAC or the A10.
Would playing Buffalo be worse than St. Bonaventure?
Would playing Kent-Akron be that much worse than playing Xavier-Dayton?
I hate to tell you this but BE level players should not be even going to the A-10 and only do so at some schools like Xavier, Dayton, Temple because of the winning over the weak bottom of the A-10.
From what I have noticed in print, Temple would not be coming into the MAC for hoops unless a 14th school adding another market was also part of the equation and vice/versa.
All the right conditions for the MAC to add Temple basketball would have to come together but I can assure you that it has been seriously considered by the Temple administration.
Is that a serious question? Akron and Kent compared to X and UD is laughable.
And no, it has not been 'seriously considered'. It's been 'seriously considered' as much as submitting a bid to the Big Ten.
If you think joining the MAC for basketball would make no difference in recruiting, then you're an idiot and know zero about recruiting and how these kids think.
What an absolutely awful and utterly clueless post by you. Just awful.
For whatever reason you don't think the MAC is doing very well at all in recruiting.
Kent State has averaged 23 wins a year over the past 11 seasons. How many A10 programs can say that? At most maybe 3.
The A-10 was 1 bid recently. Its not that great of a conference. Its a full tier below the Big East.
Yeah, playing EMU, Ball State, CMU, etc. woop dee doo? There is no comparison between the A10 and MAC. NONE. That includes programs, recruiting, support, etc. The A10 is not a major conference, and we're not claiming it to be, but it's the best non-Big Six conference. Also, if the A10 is 'not that great of a conference', what do you call the MAC, which is comparable to the SoCon and MAAC, while the A10 is comparable to the Big Ten, MWC and Pac 10.
Seriously, you're just making yourself look stupid.
The MAC is comparable to the Horizon and CAA, not the SoCon and MAAC. The MAC has a long tradition of putting players into the NBA and making runs in the tourney.
The A10 is comparable to MWC, MVC, and CUSA. It consists of mostly second tier programs.
Yes, 2nd tier programs, not 4th tier programs. And we're at the top of the 2nd tier, which puts us a helluva lot closer to the Big Six...
No you are about equal to the MVC, MWC, and CUSA, not very close at all to the big 6 aside from the RPI ratings. Not close from a financial perspective or TV top to bottom as the Big 6. The A-10 is almost equal to the MVC on those accounts.
The A10 is closer to the MAC than Big 6 in terms of money and prestige. The A10 has only slightly more prestige than the MAC, enough to make it significant but hardly program changing it its own right.