From Irvine's article...
“He said anytime a team thinks the game is over, they can come on the floor,” Davis said. “That’s what he told. I’m not official but all I know is Washington State played Oregon, they ran on the floor and (Oregon) got two free throws.”
Davis said his team should have been shooting two free throws and then awarded the ball.
Amazing...
Davis called a time out...
Interesting. Although I have only read that the wild celebration began immediately following the dunk, and time was stopped to check the time remaining on the clock. I also missed the acknowledgment of the timeout on our radio broadcast, but it was clear that there were more than 5 Miners on the court once time stopped.
But you were there so I guess you know the truth more than other countless sources.
Sorry for the bitterness. Truly, I'm more angry about the team blowing a 16 point lead. I am, however, quite tired of seeing posts after games coming from both the winning and losing teams talking about how horrible the refs were. Calls are missed, but I have seen so many hacks on the arms on both sides of the court and walks by point guards including AJ that were not called.
We look back to the UTEP game at Bartow and we find a someone getting pushed into someone who falls on AJ and find out the day after that Cooper played with a concussion. The safety of these players was non existent because rules weren't followed. Granted, this celebration before the end of the game by UTEP wasn't dangerous, but it did break the rules, if what I assume about the timeout situation is correct.
This consistent complaining only means one of two things: 1) C-USA fans are sore winners/losers or 2) C-USA refs are indeed horrible on BOTH sides of the court. I think this example proves my second theory.
Note: I do not think this one tiny celebration caused UAB to lose the game. I am disgusted with my team over the fact that they lost the game when they could have won by 15 or 20 (maybe a little much) if they had hit all their easy lay ups. Instead... I'm losing a little sleep over a tough loss.
(03-07-2010 02:08 AM)BigJessT Wrote: [ -> ]From Irvine's article...
“He said anytime a team thinks the game is over, they can come on the floor,” Davis said. “That’s what he told. I’m not official but all I know is Washington State played Oregon, they ran on the floor and (Oregon) got two free throws.”
Davis said his team should have been shooting two free throws and then awarded the ball.
Amazing...
tech for what?
Don't blow a 14 point lead and you dont have to worry about getting a tech to save our azz.....
I've seen refs call techs for situations similar to this. TCU got called for a T in our game against them in 2005 for running onto the court after hitting a three with 0.2 seconds left. Looking at the play-by-play, it looks like UAB called a timeout but I'm not sure if that was before or after the UTEP players ran onto the court.
There was no technical called because UAB's head coach's last name was not "Kryzewski" and Dick Vitale wasn't doing the play-by-play from the scorer's table with his Duke cheerleader skirt and pom-poms.
I have to admit, as an official, it would take sheer guts to make that call in El Paso in front of the home crowd, I had to do it once a while back in a youth league basketball game at a Catholic school, I actually tried to avoid giving the "T" by yelling at least 5 times for everyone to get back off the court after a kid from the visiting team hits a shot to give her squad the lead with less than 30 seconds left in the game, but the kids just ignored me and ran out on the court screaming and hollering, the gym was packed and parents/fans from the other team aren't ignorant to the rules of the game, they knew that I had to make that call, and I did, the home team made both technical shots and got the ball back and the lead and would eventually win the game, I went over to the coach of the losing team afterwards to explain to her why I had to stick her team with the technical, as unhappy as she was and how heartbroken her players were, she totally understood, it was gut-wrenching for me (these were either 4th or 5th graders) because of the high energy, competitive and spirited nature of the game itself, to have to come down to that, so even though I felt someone on that crew should have stuck UTEP with a "T", I can relate a little bit as to why they didn't... I heard David Crane had some choice words for them last night during the radio broadcast...
Hate to bring up football, but remember that USC-Notre Dame game where Reggie Bush all but picked up Matt Leinhart on that QB sneak in the last play of the game from the one yard line and bulldozed him into the end zone for the game winning TD after his momentum was clearly stopped by the Irish D?
It was clearly a penalty (assisting the runner) but even though it was in South Bend, that was USC, had that been UAB or some other non-BCS clique-affiliated program, flags would still be flying. I contend that in the UAB-UTEP basketball game last night, that the officials chose that they enjoy life without death threats and having to look over their shoulders for that rabid fan that may be somewhat perturbed by one of them calling a technical in that situation, even though warranted...A friend of mine that officiates high school basketball here in Birmingham once told me one of his mottos to live by as a referee: "See everything you call, but don't call everything you see." Some of these guys know the inner workings and politics surrounding officiating, and were more than likely afraid that they would be blackballed from any major assignments in the future...They simply chose to ignore the obvious, just like the referees in professional wrestling do, or even worse, the NBA, and it doesn't get any worse than they...This is what the climate in modern sports has become. A theater of the absurd...
if you are the ref and the coach scream at you at every second of the game when a call doesn't go your way.
When you have a chance and it is human nature you stick it . voila ...no Technical 6
It was bad call but we had no reason to lose a 16 points lead,,, the ref are bad for both team
I will not blame the ref on this one
Now we need to win the next 3 games . Can AJ play 39 minutes for 3 games in a row
the refs could have called a tech, but i think it would have been a bad idea. some utep folks ran out a little early. they werent trying to be malicious or disrupt our comeback from 2 points down with 1 second left, they thought the game was over and celebrated. how many times have i seen a similar situation where the refs simply cleared the floor and finished the game.
after missing a dozen layups and blowing a 14 point lead, it would have been an injustice for us to be saved on a technicality.
JessT, i complain about the officials quite a bit this year, and its b/c of the situation you mention in #2...theyve been awful, all year, on both sides of the ball, and its really sad. that having been said, i thought they were okay last night
Davis did NOT call a time out, the officials stopped play because the guys ran onto the floor.
(03-07-2010 11:05 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Davis did NOT call a time out, the officials stopped play because the guys ran onto the floor.
I thought they called timeout to check the clock?
(03-07-2010 11:30 AM)Lucaminer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:05 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Davis did NOT call a time out, the officials stopped play because the guys ran onto the floor.
I thought they called timeout to check the clock?
Either way it worked in UTEP's favor. Ovie Soko had slipped behind all of the defenders and had caught the pass from Sanders. Either Soko gets a layup or UTEP fouls him.
So either UAB gets 2 FT and the ball on our end line with .9 seconds or UAB gets 2 points from the layup.
Expect the CUSA office to "apologize" for the incorrect call, yet no reprimands will be given.
(03-07-2010 11:50 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:30 AM)Lucaminer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:05 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Davis did NOT call a time out, the officials stopped play because the guys ran onto the floor.
I thought they called timeout to check the clock?
Either way it worked in UTEP's favor. Ovie Soko had slipped behind all of the defenders and had caught the pass from Sanders. Either Soko gets a layup or UTEP fouls him.
So either UAB gets 2 FT and the ball on our end line with .9 seconds or UAB gets 2 points from the layup.
I thought Soko mishandled the pass? Of course the place was going nuts so I may be wrong....
The pass was made and then the officials stopped play to "check the clock". The play went down with an extra UTEP player giving high fives at the foul line. The officials resumed play and pretended not to notice that there were six guys out there.
(03-07-2010 12:09 PM)Lucaminer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:50 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:30 AM)Lucaminer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:05 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Davis did NOT call a time out, the officials stopped play because the guys ran onto the floor.
I thought they called timeout to check the clock?
Either way it worked in UTEP's favor. Ovie Soko had slipped behind all of the defenders and had caught the pass from Sanders. Either Soko gets a layup or UTEP fouls him.
So either UAB gets 2 FT and the ball on our end line with .9 seconds or UAB gets 2 points from the layup.
I thought Soko mishandled the pass? Of course the place was going nuts so I may be wrong....
My info is based upon our announcer, David Crane's call and a limited video feed 1500 miles away.
(03-07-2010 12:15 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 12:09 PM)Lucaminer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:50 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:30 AM)Lucaminer Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2010 11:05 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Davis did NOT call a time out, the officials stopped play because the guys ran onto the floor.
I thought they called timeout to check the clock?
Either way it worked in UTEP's favor. Ovie Soko had slipped behind all of the defenders and had caught the pass from Sanders. Either Soko gets a layup or UTEP fouls him.
So either UAB gets 2 FT and the ball on our end line with .9 seconds or UAB gets 2 points from the layup.
I thought Soko mishandled the pass? Of course the place was going nuts so I may be wrong....
My info is based upon our announcer, David Crane's call and a limited video feed 1500 miles away.
Unless Ovie was standing under the basket when he caught the pass, it still wouldn't have saved us. If he has to take even one dribble, the game's over because there was, at best, one second left on the clock when Caracter dunked. I'm not going to get too worked up over this officiating decision. We didn't deserve it. Karma wouldn't allow it.
Damn, it should have been a T. Wow.
We shouldn't have blown a 14 point lead. We shouldn't have turned the ball over when it was tied allowing UTEP to take a 2 point lead thereby forcing AJ to hit a great teardrop to tie it up again. We shouldn't allow them to drive the length of the court and dunk the ball in 5 seconds. The only beef I have with the officials at the end was stopping the play to check the clock. Let the play go on and check the clock only if UAB makes the last second shot to tie it up.