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Yep, you read correctly. Forget pondering the fire...let's really trick out our brain and thought process and offer legitimate and reasonable reasons to keep him around longer. I don't offer this in jest...Actual reasons that may benefit NIU and our hoop program.

My negatives all outweigh my positives...I cannot honestly offer one positive that does not have a negative component more superior.

I have none.
All too often managers get rid of a worker just on a often misguided belief that they can do better. Then they terminate the worker, lose continuity, create expense and disruption in searching for and hiring someone new, and then they find out the new person is not a superstar either. To our situation, Patton is still getting his sea legs in the midwest. To terminate his contract without some pretty good assurance that we have someone that can step in on day one and do better could be shooting ourselves in the foot.
Keeping him would ensure an empty Convo Center but save a lot of money for a contract buyout.
Is it really shooting ourselves in the foot? I know that Coach Novak had many winless seasons before turning it around but he did it with recruitng. From the articles in the paper and online reports it appears Patton is struggling with building relationships in the city. I know nothing about his character or his work ethic and can't question that. I can tell you that he is about to have three consecutive seasons with twenty losses. That is unacceptable at any level of basketball. I think that NIU really needs to look at a top notch up and coming assistant with strong roots in recruiting the city. One guy that should get a look might be Tracy Webster at DePaul. He is going to be let go and has great roots here. True not much of the local talent has stayed at DePaul lately but we aren't recruiting Big East type players. We should be able to lure the city kids that are going to Ohio & CMU. Staying with Patton any longer is delaying any progress for the future.
Well put FLAIR.

How is keeping him helping anything? What, if he is gone we might suffer a losing season or two...we might have a sub par recruiting class or two...or worse...the arena will be empty?!

Spare me. He offers zero positives.
Positive

Not eating his contract
Ask this question NEXT YEAR and see what answers we will have.
He'll guranteed be back, they won't eat 2 years of contract (I'm 99.9 percent sure he signed a 5 year deal when NIU got him) with as many seniors as next years team will have along with the current financial situation of the school. Patton for sure is on the "win or else" plan next year though, because I believe the school will eat 1 year of his contract, and of course Anderson, Silas, and Kowal are all seniors next year.
While I don't think NIU can afford to eat the contract, on the other hand, what is the cost of keeping him? Empty seats, lesser sponsorships, less interest (and donations) in the program are certainly a "cost" that has to be balanced against his salary.

I had hope when he was hired. Even putting aside the recruiting discussions, this team is/was just bad. They do not have incredible talent. However, they are better than they show. That goes squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff.
Is it a positive that this team was better 6 weeks ago than it is now?
A winning team would mean 1) less selection of the seats I "upgrade" myself to at games. 2) longer lines at the concession stand 3) more work for Bleeds, pulling out extra seating
(02-17-2010 09:38 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ]Is it a positive that this team was better 6 weeks ago than it is now?

We played a stretch of crap teams 6 weeks ago and many were fooled into thinking we had actually improved. I am positive about that.
(02-18-2010 10:28 AM)Field Turf Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-17-2010 09:38 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ]Is it a positive that this team was better 6 weeks ago than it is now?

We played a stretch of crap teams 6 weeks ago and many were fooled into thinking we had actually improved. I am positive about that.

We actually beat Ball State on the road and then we go and lose to them at home. How does that happen? And we beat WMU the first time around as well.
(02-18-2010 10:39 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-18-2010 10:28 AM)Field Turf Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-17-2010 09:38 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ]Is it a positive that this team was better 6 weeks ago than it is now?

We played a stretch of crap teams 6 weeks ago and many were fooled into thinking we had actually improved. I am positive about that.

We actually beat Ball State on the road and then we go and lose to them at home. How does that happen? And we beat WMU the first time around as well.

Exactly, this stretch is NOT because we are simply playing better teams. This team has digressed. So...at least we know we can be better, that's a positive.
From NIU's perspective, I'm not sure firing Patton now does them a ton of good. They aren't going to make a splash hire that brings in attendance or recruits and they already owe him money (remember, it's not just paying Patton, NIU would also have to pay a newcomer and his staff).

Making next year do-or-die makes the most sense. IF they could make a good and splashy hire (I don't have much faith in that), that coach would have a lot of scholarships to work with and they'd only have to eat one year of a useless contract.

I think the timing and finances make more sense next year.
(02-17-2010 04:45 PM)flair6 Wrote: [ -> ]Is it really shooting ourselves in the foot? I know that Coach Novak had many winless seasons before turning it around but he did it with recruitng. From the articles in the paper and online reports it appears Patton is struggling with building relationships in the city. I know nothing about his character or his work ethic and can't question that. I can tell you that he is about to have three consecutive seasons with twenty losses. That is unacceptable at any level of basketball. I think that NIU really needs to look at a top notch up and coming assistant with strong roots in recruiting the city. One guy that should get a look might be Tracy Webster at DePaul. He is going to be let go and has great roots here. True not much of the local talent has stayed at DePaul lately but we aren't recruiting Big East type players. We should be able to lure the city kids that are going to Ohio & CMU. Staying with Patton any longer is delaying any progress for the future.

Patton is getting worse and worse - this team is a joke!
We'll still have Silas. If Patton is fired, I wouldn't be surprised if he transfers again.
(02-18-2010 06:14 PM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]We'll still have Silas. If Patton is fired, I wouldn't be surprised if he transfers again.
Tony Nixon and Nate Rucker probably would follow also...they are Pattons recruits!!!!
the idea of X transferring again is ludicrous and he couldn't transfer to a DI program as his 5 year clock would wind down as he sat another transfer year. besides, ain't no way Patton is going anywhere in spite of the desires of a few empty pocket haters........as much as this team has struggled, the guy has a contract through 2012...and those that desire immediate gratification by demanding a rebuilt program in less than 3 years are the reason coaches get a 5 year deal. let us have this discussion next year at this time when coach may be going into his lame duck year or may be earning an extension........I am betting on the latter.......
(02-19-2010 01:31 AM)cagy cager Wrote: [ -> ]the idea of X transferring again is ludicrous and he couldn't transfer to a DI program as his 5 year clock would wind down as he sat another transfer year. besides, ain't no way Patton is going anywhere in spite of the desires of a few empty pocket haters........as much as this team has struggled, the guy has a contract through 2012...and those that desire immediate gratification by demanding a rebuilt program in less than 3 years are the reason coaches get a 5 year deal. let us have this discussion next year at this time when coach may be going into his lame duck year or may be earning an extension........I am betting on the latter.......
GREAT ANALYSIS....I am betting on the latter also!!!!!
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