Imagine the following scenario:
Belmont wins out.
Lipscomb loses one of its last 4.
Jacksonville wins out, taking down ETSU and Campbell in the process.
The winner of ETSU-Campbell loses to JAX and drops another one along the way.
The loser of ETSU-Campbell loses to JAX, but wins out otherwise.
The final standings would be Belmont & Jacksonville tied for first; Lipscomb, ETSU, & Campbell tied for third, two games out.
In this scenario, the order in which they break the ties determines the conference champion.
If, for the sake of the Belmont-Jacksonville tie, the conference treats all three third-place teams equally, Belmont wins the tiebreaker (and the Conference title and the 1-seed and the NIT bid) by virtue of a 4-2 record vs. 3-3 for Jax.
But, within that third place tie, Lipscomb controls the tiebreaker by virtue of having a better record against Belmont (2-0 vs. 0-2 for both Campbell and ETSU). So if Lipscomb is declared the third place team BEFORE the first-place tie is broken, Jacksonville is the Conference Champion by virtue of having a win against Lipscomb that Belmont doesn't have.
Does anybody know what the conference rules say about in what order multiple ties are broken?
(02-14-2010 02:36 PM)DadofTwins Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine the following scenario:
Belmont wins out.
Lipscomb loses one of its last 4.
Jacksonville wins out, taking down ETSU and Campbell in the process.
The winner of ETSU-Campbell loses to JAX and drops another one along the way.
The loser of ETSU-Campbell loses to JAX, but wins out otherwise.
The final standings would be Belmont & Jacksonville tied for first; Lipscomb, ETSU, & Campbell tied for third, two games out.
In this scenario, the order in which they break the ties determines the conference champion.
If, for the sake of the Belmont-Jacksonville tie, the conference treats all three third-place teams equally, Belmont wins the tiebreaker (and the Conference title and the 1-seed and the NIT bid) by virtue of a 4-2 record vs. 3-3 for Jax.
But, within that third place tie, Lipscomb controls the tiebreaker by virtue of having a better record against Belmont (2-0 vs. 0-2 for both Campbell and ETSU). So if Lipscomb is declared the third place team BEFORE the first-place tie is broken, Jacksonville is the Conference Champion by virtue of having a win against Lipscomb that Belmont doesn't have.
Does anybody know what the conference rules say about in what order multiple ties are broken?
Seriously, I have been wondering the very same thing. Unfortunately, I still think Belmont loses 1 down the stretch. Maybe not, but with a young team like we have it seems like they'd have to slip up.
the ASUN is too wild to predict. We just can't worry about it right now and wait and see what happens, because I highly doubt what happens will be expected.
(02-14-2010 07:07 PM)MercerFan Wrote: [ -> ]the ASUN is too wild to predict. We just can't worry about it right now and wait and see what happens, because I highly doubt what happens will be expected.
I agree. Anybody can beat anybody in teh League right now. All of the teams could easily pull and upset in these last 4 games and in the tournament.
(02-16-2010 08:15 PM)camelfan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2010 07:07 PM)MercerFan Wrote: [ -> ]the ASUN is too wild to predict. We just can't worry about it right now and wait and see what happens, because I highly doubt what happens will be expected.
I agree. Anybody can beat anybody in teh League right now. All of the teams could easily pull and upset in these last 4 games and in the tournament.
ETSU can't win this tournament and neither can Campbell, UNF, Kennesaw, or DAVID lipscomb.
Mercer, Jacksonville, and Belmont all have the ability to win it but my money is on Belmont. Why? Rick Byrd.
(02-14-2010 02:36 PM)DadofTwins Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine the following scenario:
Belmont wins out.
Lipscomb loses one of its last 4.
Jacksonville wins out, taking down ETSU and Campbell in the process.
The winner of ETSU-Campbell loses to JAX and drops another one along the way.
The loser of ETSU-Campbell loses to JAX, but wins out otherwise.
The final standings would be Belmont & Jacksonville tied for first; Lipscomb, ETSU, & Campbell tied for third, two games out.
In this scenario, the order in which they break the ties determines the conference champion.
If, for the sake of the Belmont-Jacksonville tie, the conference treats all three third-place teams equally, Belmont wins the tiebreaker (and the Conference title and the 1-seed and the NIT bid) by virtue of a 4-2 record vs. 3-3 for Jax.
But, within that third place tie, Lipscomb controls the tiebreaker by virtue of having a better record against Belmont (2-0 vs. 0-2 for both Campbell and ETSU). So if Lipscomb is declared the third place team BEFORE the first-place tie is broken, Jacksonville is the Conference Champion by virtue of having a win against Lipscomb that Belmont doesn't have.
Does anybody know what the conference rules say about in what order multiple ties are broken?
I couldn't find anything specific to the A-Sun, but this is straight from the Big 10's website regarding tiebreakers. I would assume that we do it the same way, but maybe not.
"2. Each team's record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings (or in the case of a tie for the championship, the next highest position in the regular season standings) continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
A. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.
B. When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1); in the case of tied percentages vs. the team or group of 1.000 or .000 the following shall apply: 2-0 is better than 1-0; 0-1 is better than 0-2."
I don't think we will have a tiebreaker. One team is going to go 15-5 and take the conference. The others will atleast lose won more game.
Question is - will it be Belmont, Jacksonville or Campbell that wins out?
(02-17-2010 10:26 PM)camelfan Wrote: [ -> ]Question is - will it be Belmont, Jacksonville or Campbell that wins out?
If I had to guess I would say none. Nothing in this league indicates to me that either are capable of 4 more wins in a row on top of their current streaks. Sure JAX had 9 straight, but they lost to Mercer who they are about to play soon.
If you're a fan of chaos, root for the following:
Belmont and Lipscomb split this weekend.
Jacksonville beats Campbell, who in turn beats UNF.
ETSU wins out (over JU and UNF).
If that happens, the conference title will be decided by a coin flip.
Reasoning -- Belmont, Lipscomb, and ETSU will be tied for third. JU and Campbell would both be 2-4 against the trio, 1-1 against each other, 1-1 against Mercer, and 2-0 against everybody else. And according to conference by-laws, they won't break the tie for 3rd until they break the tie for 1st. So, coin flip time.
This may be the most fitting way to decide the league title this year.
(02-23-2010 03:48 PM)DadofTwins Wrote: [ -> ]If you're a fan of chaos, root for the following:
Belmont and Lipscomb split this weekend.
Jacksonville beats Campbell, who in turn beats UNF.
ETSU wins out (over JU and UNF).
If that happens, the conference title will be decided by a coin flip.
Reasoning -- Belmont, Lipscomb, and ETSU will be tied for third. JU and Campbell would both be 2-4 against the trio, 1-1 against each other, 1-1 against Mercer, and 2-0 against everybody else. And according to conference by-laws, they won't break the tie for 3rd until they break the tie for 1st. So, coin flip time.
This may be the most fitting way to decide the league title this year.
I hope we can win two more and not have to go through all this mess.
What a way to decide a champion.
