Forget the fact that some of you think Mizzou is a terrible job. We know that isn't true. But lets compare UAB & Missouri.
Mizzou - New Arena, huge loyal fan base, money out the hizzie, a chance to play Texas, Oklahoma, Ok. St and Kansas.
UAB - Bartow Arena, had to beg people to come to games, strap for money, playing Houston, UTEP and Memphis.
A no brainer in my opinion. But the timing sucks to high heaven because we missed out on Andy Kennedy. Still plenty of good coaches but UAB has officially just became a stepping stone job.
Sucks!
Not to mention that they will now be chumming it up with several BILLIONAIRES, including one man, Stan Kroenke, that owns the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche. He also owns 45%+ of the St.Louis Rams. Another booster, Bill Laurie (gave $25 mil for their arena) just sold the St.Louis Blues yesterday and his wife is in the Wal-Mart family.
DAMNIT!
The rewards are great if he wins. The risk is he will be fired in 4 years.
50-50 which way that goes.
BlazinHeat Wrote:Forget the fact that some of you think Mizzou is a terrible job. We know that isn't true. But lets compare UAB & Missouri.
Mizzou - New Arena, huge loyal fan base, money out the hizzie, a chance to play Texas, Oklahoma, Ok. St and Kansas.
UAB - Bartow Arena, had to beg people to come to games, strap for money, playing Houston, UTEP and Memphis.
A no brainer in my opinion. But the timing sucks to high heaven because we missed out on Andy Kennedy. Still plenty of good coaches but UAB has officially just became a stepping stone job.
Sucks!
However you left out the most important stat:
UAB 2, Missouri 1 and the only loss was 25 years ago....
blazerjay Wrote:However you left out the most important stat:
UAB 2, Missouri 1 and the only loss was 25 years ago....
That isn't important unfortunately. But maybe you can use it as a "make U feel good" pill.
Flying Mouse Wrote:The rewards are great if he wins. The risk is he will be fired in 4 years.
50-50 which way that goes.
Same thing could have been said if he had failed at UAB.
Frankly, I expect CMA to succeed at Missouri. It may take a year or two, but he can get it done.
I just hope he's ready for all the prejudiced, black hating idiots in white sheets he's going to run into up there. The crap on their message boards tells me that its far more overt up there than it is here.
Enjoy the money coach, I got a feeling you're going to earn it.
BlazinHeat Wrote:Flying Mouse Wrote:The rewards are great if he wins. The risk is he will be fired in 4 years.
50-50 which way that goes.
Same thing could have been said if he had failed at UAB.
Not the same at all. He was out of work when he got the UAB job. There was no risk for him. It was UAB who took the risk of hiring a coach who had been passed over twice by his ALMA MATER as well as Murray State and got the rewards.
Missouri is taking no risk. If he doesn't work out, they will fire him and not think twice about it.
BlazinHeat Wrote:Still plenty of good coaches but UAB has officially just became a stepping stone job.
that's what really bothers me, i recently read an article about brad daughrety, who as you likely know, was coach at UNC til he parted with some acrimony. he's now the head coach at flordia international and has had some success there. but everyone as much as said they fully expect him to be gone when a major program comes calling again.
i'd hoped UAB was beyond that level. i guess not.
tibber Wrote:BlazinHeat Wrote:Still plenty of good coaches but UAB has officially just became a stepping stone job.
that's what really bothers me, i recently read an article about brad daughrety, who as you likely know, was coach at UNC til he parted with some acrimony. he's now the head coach at flordia international and has had some success there. but everyone as much as said they fully expect him to be gone when a major program comes calling again.
i'd hoped UAB was beyond that level. i guess not.
You mean Matt Doherty.
And I would hardly compare UAB to FIU.
Isn't Mizz on probation? If so, for how long?
I think that their punishment runs out after this season, but I'm not sure of that.
TMcCarty Wrote:tibber Wrote:BlazinHeat Wrote:Still plenty of good coaches but UAB has officially just became a stepping stone job.
that's what really bothers me, i recently read an article about brad daughrety, who as you likely know, was coach at UNC til he parted with some acrimony. he's now the head coach at flordia international and has had some success there. but everyone as much as said they fully expect him to be gone when a major program comes calling again.
i'd hoped UAB was beyond that level. i guess not.
You mean Matt Doherty.
And I would hardly compare UAB to FIU.
yeah, i don't know where i got brad somethingoranother from.
as for comparing UAB and FIU, i'd agree that we're a much better program (although if i'm not mistaken, theirs is even younger, at least at the D1 level) but everyone at FIU pretty much knows it's a stepping stone job, and that's what i fear for UAB too. we get a good coach, have an ok first year, two or three great years, and then he's gone and we have to start all over.
1 time does not mean a trend.
Still, there are very few jobs that are destination jobs. UAB isn't going to be one of those for a while (unless it's the right person in the right situation). Hell, no one called Kansas a stepping-stone job when Roy Williams jumped ship for UNC.
Even Memphis fans will admit that there are programs Calipari would leave for, does that make them a stepping stone job?
Whether or not a coach treats a program as a stepping stone depends on his situation. Is he looking to go to a certain area to finish his career? Is there a school that he played for that he always wanted to coach for?
Is the next coach going to want to stay here for the rest of his career? Maybe, maybe not. It's not worth fretting over.
Alabama has TWICE in the last 20 years lost football coaches to other schools. Are they a steppingstone?
UCLA, coming off the Final Four, once lost a coach to an unknown school that didn't own a basketball. Were they a steppingstone?
Steppingstone is a state of mind ...
That said, UAB people need to support the program more than they have done, or there's gonna be more stepping ...
Quote:Steppingstone is a state of mind ...
exactly. and what i'm worried about is coaches seeing us as such, even if we don't.
beginning next year, I will root for Mississippi because they have a UAB connection, I will also root for Missouri because they have a UAB connection, although, I will be very sad if they succeed too much.
blazerjay Wrote:However you left out the most important stat:
UAB 2, Missouri 1 and the only loss was 25 years ago....
True my friend, but i think we lost another today, when Mizzou offered more for CMA's services - i truly think he had a good basketball brain.