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Actually, ETSU has made the NCAAs eight times.

Second of all, any success has to be met with an asterik as the programs had dropped to the A-Sun.

If Vanderbilt went to Conference USA, I'm sure they'd go to bowl games every season.

But the product would not be as prestigious as it is now. I'm less than impressed with good grades in remedial english when just before dropping down I was on track to make good grades in regular english.

His quotes to the media have often been disingenous.

Trying to give Mullins credit for the NCAA berths of 2003 and 2004 is like telling me Barry Switzer was a great NFL coach. You have to know better.

So Mullins wasn't the athletic director on 03 and 04? Who deserves credit for that? Just DeChellis, who didn't even coach in 04? That's ridiculous.

I'm not sure Vandy would go to bowl games in the C-USA every season. Why? Because the conference changes over the years, and it can get better. I think the ASun will get better. I know, you live in this static world where nothing ever changes in sports, but teams get better & worse over the years. It's happening, but you have to pay attention.

(01-15-2010 10:36 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote: [ -> ]So Mullins wasn't the athletic director on 03 and 04? Who deserves credit for that? Just DeChellis, who didn't even coach in 04? That's ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? He recruited and developed every player who made a difference on that team. Who else should get credit?

Go's lack of knowledge is really showing, isn't it, when he doesn't want to give credit to DeChellis for the tourney teams of 2003 and 2004.

wow

DeChellis did not recruit Travis Strong who was a key member of the 04 team especially when Anthony went down in the SoCon tourament. I watched the 03 team, and the 04 team was better defensively than that 03 team. Way better. For that Bartow deserves credit.

(01-14-2010 11:59 PM)LetsgoBucs Wrote: [ -> ]Last year was the first time Dave Walker (who has been here what, like 30 years?) ever won the men's cross country, indoor, and outdoor track championships in the same year.

Uh.......although Rotich again won the individual title, Kennesaw St. blew away the field, team-wise, in cross-country.
And although it's true ETSU won both track titles, it was against MUCH weaker comp than in the SoCon. Kennesaw has the only real other competitive track team, with Campbell a step behind. Beyond that, some of the other teams only have a very small number of (almost token) athletes.........

Why do you think Walker, who is indeed a genius and is to be given utmost respect, hadn't done that in the SoCon? Think hard on that one.......

Travis Strong was not the reason the Bucs went to the NCAAs in 2004.

Travis Strong averaged less than 10 minutes a game in 2003-04.

This is like trying to credit the Yankee dynasty to Phil Linz.

(01-15-2010 11:04 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2010 11:59 PM)LetsgoBucs Wrote: [ -> ]Last year was the first time Dave Walker (who has been here what, like 30 years?) ever won the men's cross country, indoor, and outdoor track championships in the same year.

Uh.......although Rotich again won the individual title, Kennesaw St. blew away the field, team-wise, in cross-country.
And although it's true ETSU won both track titles, it was against MUCH weaker comp than in the SoCon. Kennesaw has the only real other competitive track team, with Campbell a step behind. Beyond that, some of the other teams only have a very small number of (almost token) athletes.........

Why do you think Walker, who is indeed a genius and is to be given utmost respect, hadn't done that in the SoCon? Think hard on that one.......

Wrong. Kennesaw won this year. Last year they finished third. We won, followed closely by Belmont, and Kennesaw was a distant third. Hence, the triple crown for the first time ever.

Much weaker eh? Anything to back that up? Neither conference has any team ranked highly in track and field. In cross country both conferences had three teams ranked regionally, with the ASun having slightly better rankings. I tried to look for anything like conference RPI's and can't find any. It's hard to prove that a conference is better with individuals competing past the conference level and not necessarily teams. You can have one superstar on your squad and that can have a huge effect on your overall standings at a conference meet. I'm just curious how you determine the ASun is much weaker.

I'd say Coach Walker would be pretty excited about what was accomplished last year. You also have to take into account that Walker only coaches/recruits distance runners. The track accomplishments are from the asst. coaches. So maybe, just maybe we've simply gotten better at the other events besides distance events (Walker's domain) and that's why we accomplished what we did, which we had never done in the SoCon.

(01-15-2010 10:25 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, ETSU has made the NCAAs eight times.

Second of all, any success has to be met with an asterik as the programs had dropped to the A-Sun.

If Vanderbilt went to Conference USA, I'm sure they'd go to bowl games every season.

But the product would not be as prestigious as it is now. I'm less than impressed with good grades in remedial english when just before dropping down I was on track to make good grades in regular english.

His quotes to the media have often been disingenous.

Trying to give Mullins credit for the NCAA berths of 2003 and 2004 is like telling me Barry Switzer was a great NFL coach. You have to know better.

You're right, it is 8 times. However, the format in 1968 was so different I didn't count it as part of the modern era.

I would say your asterisk suggestion is ridiculous. Are you also going to say that UT-Chatt should have an asterisk last year because they were not the best SoCon team, but they still won the tourney because they played at home and got the auto-bid? The problem is your asterisk idea is based on pure subjective observation. I would agree if you said the ASun champ should not be considered equal to the Big East champ, because there's a clear difference in quality. However, the difference of the ASun champ to the SoCon champ is so slight it is entirely speculation to say that the ASun winner could not accomplish the same in the SoCon.

Also, the simple fact is that our program is better off as the ASun champs competing in the NCAA tourney on national TV, than being the third place team in a "highly respected" conference such as the SoCon, where nationwide no one would even know we exist. Winning championships is superior to being a lesser team in a better conference. Championships give you exposure, pure and simple.

All I know is we got more exposure in the SoCon with football.

I remember nationally televised football games on ESPN against Western Carolina on Thursday nights.

I think this trumps ESPN2 showings at 4 p.m. on March 2 of the A-Sun final.

(01-15-2010 02:17 PM)Bucster Wrote: [ -> ]

You're right, yet we can't stop....

(01-15-2010 02:37 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is we got more exposure in the SoCon with football.

I remember nationally televised football games on ESPN against Western Carolina on Thursday nights.

I think this trumps ESPN2 showings at 4 p.m. on March 2 of the A-Sun final.

Does it? You realize primetime Thursday nights is the number one night for network television? Thursday night football is up against the top rated programs the network has to offer. Are you sure that's better exposure?

Your reasoning is getting less and less believable, but, since you wish to have a reply-

I'd think so since both the Big East and SEC have commitments to show college basketball games on ESPN next Thursday, and I'm sure if they thought there would be more exposure on ESPN2 at 4 p.m. on a Saturday they could get it.

Isn't it amazing that the people who want to tell us everything is great with ETSU athletics are the ones who will go hog wild about a 6-9-3 soccer team but then tell us that a football program that was ranked as high as No. 8 in the country just two years before the team's termination was a loser that had to be cut.

Isn't it amazing that people who sing the praises of the football program fail to mention that the team had one conference title in 80 years of competition and that their third winningest coach was none other than Paul Hamilton, who had a LOSING record?

Hog wild. I went HAWG WILD baby!

Pathetic.

(01-15-2010 07:17 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote: [ -> ][quote='PittsburghBucs' pid='5058695' dateline='1263536231']
Oh, yes. You're right.

David Mullins IS the reason for the NCAA appearances. Espectially the one in 2003 when he'd been on the job for about three months, and on an interim basis at that.

My bad.

There is no football, basketball is in a weaker conference, the home facility has had its seating capacity capped due to gross incompetence, and you don't think ETSU athletics have been crippled because the cross country team won a title and the women's basketball team made the NCAAs out of the weaker conference.

Okay.

He doesn't coach, that's a fact. However, whether or not everyone likes it, he's the guy running the show so he gets the credit/blame for the performance of our teams. All I'm saying is during his tenure, winning has not dropped off. Out of the 7 NCAA tourney appearances in ETSU history, almost half have come while he was AD. I don't know for sure, but I don't think the women had ever made it to the tourney until this recent run, and that was under his tenure. Also, we've built three brand new facilities under his tenure.

Like I said, if you judge by performance of the programs, he's successful.

Go,

The new facilities built by ETSU since Mullins became AD were built with BORROWED money. ETSU simply floated bonds to finance the new facilities. Something Stanton swore he would/could not do when he dropped football. That leads me to this question. Why not built a new outdoor football stadium by floating a new bond? While we are at it a new basketball facility as well. The building of new facilities at ETSU with borrowed money with current and future students forced to pay back these loans revels what a complete and utter liar Stanton is.

Wait a minute.

I read a post that we shouldn't count the 1968 NCAA Tournament team for God knows what reason, but now we should say that the Bucs only won one conference title in 80 years when THEY WEREN'T IN A CONFERENCE FOR ALL THOSE YEARS?!?!?!!?!

Insanity!

(01-15-2010 03:59 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote: [ -> ]Your reasoning is getting less and less believable, but, since you wish to have a reply-

I'd think so since both the Big East and SEC have commitments to show college basketball games on ESPN next Thursday, and I'm sure if they thought there would be more exposure on ESPN2 at 4 p.m. on a Saturday they could get it.

Isn't it amazing that the people who want to tell us everything is great with ETSU athletics are the ones who will go hog wild about a 6-9-3 soccer team but then tell us that a football program that was ranked as high as No. 8 in the country just two years before the team's termination was a loser that had to be cut.

Why does the Big East play on Thursday nights? Because it's the only way people will watch their games. They have to use Thursday nights to showcase their league (which doesn't get a lot of respect nationally) because they simply get lost in the shuffle on Saturdays when the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac-10 are getting all the viewers. As for the SEC, have you ever seen Tenn, Florida, Alabama, or LSU play on Thursday night? No. In fact this past season you had two SEC games - both involved South Carolina and one was a non-conference game. Saturday is still the better day for college sports, whether it's ESPN, ESPN2, ABC, or CBS.

Also, when talking about national exposure, I was talking about the NCAA tourney. It gets far more viewers than Thursday night college football.

And yes, I think we should all be pretty excited about a 6-9-3 soccer team in their second year of existence. You have to place the record in context. If this was an established program that had been around, 6-9-3 would be unacceptable. For a second year program, it's impressive. Also, they're getting UNC and Va Tech to come to Johnson City to play on our field. So go ahead and make fun of the stadium and crack on the record, but what other sport is getting two teams from the top conference in the nation to play in JC?