On the men's side, NIU beat North Dakota in a pretty easy affair. Although, there was a bench-clearing pushing match that led to three ejections.
On the women's side, Toledo also beat North Dakota. What makes this impressive is that the Rockets will now go into MAC play with 10 wins for the first time ever.
http://themacdaily.com/index.php?news&nid=302
BG just beat a pretty good St. Louis team, 59-50. BG was up 48-28 and survived the rest of the way. Even so, that was their best win of the year, IMO. 7-5 ain't so bad for BG.
Oh yeh, the BG women won too. 10-4.
(01-02-2010 08:27 PM)TheMACer Wrote: [ -> ]On the men's side, NIU beat North Dakota in a pretty easy affair. Although, there was a bench-clearing pushing match that led to three ejections.
On the women's side, Toledo also beat North Dakota. What makes this impressive is that the Rockets will now go into MAC play with 10 wins for the first time ever.
http://themacdaily.com/index.php?news&nid=302
Was at the game but too far from the "fight" so I didn't get a very good look at what happened. Actually, there was some pushing and shoving pretty early in the game but was broken up and the refs started calling the game a bit closer from that point on. Then with about 2 minutes left the second incident happend(the one w/ ejections). I just shook my head because I knew the players would be ejected(what are the NCAA rules on leaving the bench? I thought it was they have to sit out the next one). Luckily the only one of the three actually gets pt. Wonder if we will make Sportscenter? :)
Ohio loses 81-79 at Robert Morris. Bobcats had 47 points from their 2 true freshman guards. Bobcats got hammed on the offensive glass giving up 18 offensive rebounds which cost them the game....wait.....the horrible charge call with six seconds left waived off the tying basket was the final nail.
(01-03-2010 12:09 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2010 08:58 PM)Siborg Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeh, the BG women won too. 10-4.
Toledo Women 10-3 
I'm not to sure about the BG women this year. I know they are pretty good, but they are also struggling a bit. Road losses to all good to great teams ( Zero St, St Bonnies, Marist and Hartford ) and beat a struggling but still good Vandy on the road. If they would have knocked off Marist or Hartford, I'd feel a lot better about them. Maybe I'm spoiled.
(01-03-2010 01:44 PM)Siborg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2010 12:09 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2010 08:58 PM)Siborg Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeh, the BG women won too. 10-4.
Toledo Women 10-3
I'm not to sure about the BG women this year. I know they are pretty good, but they are also struggling a bit. Road losses to all good to great teams ( Zero St, St Bonnies, Marist and Hartford ) and beat a struggling but still good Vandy on the road. If they would have knocked off Marist or Hartford, I'd feel a lot better about them. Maybe I'm spoiled.
They've played a pretty tough schedule and have a great win over a STILL RANKED Vanderbilt team on the road.
And all this with their top player recovering from mono.
They will be fine come MAC season.
(01-03-2010 01:44 PM)Siborg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2010 12:09 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2010 08:58 PM)Siborg Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeh, the BG women won too. 10-4.
Toledo Women 10-3
I'm not to sure about the BG women this year. I know they are pretty good, but they are also struggling a bit. Road losses to all good to great teams ( Zero St, St Bonnies, Marist and Hartford ) and beat a struggling but still good Vandy on the road. If they would have knocked off Marist or Hartford, I'd feel a lot better about them. Maybe I'm spoiled.
I feel the same way. I'd like to see them beat these good teams and position themselves among the elite.
(01-03-2010 12:09 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2010 08:58 PM)Siborg Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeh, the BG women won too. 10-4.
Toledo Women 10-3
Common opponents:
Oakland - UT won by 12, BG by 15.
SIUE - UT won by 12, BG by 13.
For what it's worth, ESPN likes BG right now. The Falcons and Rockets are definitely 1-2 in some order in the MAC right now.
WMU just finished a tune-up by winning 86-45 over Michigan (Dearborn)
the toledo women beat a ranked team in dayton, a good team - an huge crowd - on the road at new mexico, and has no bad losses. very similar yr so far to bg
Looking at a few MAC teams it seems WMU has the "best" wins ytd? I am NO BB expert, but as a conference we don't seem to have any big wins. They beat VCU and Charleston....
(01-07-2010 06:26 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at a few MAC teams it seems WMU has the "best" wins ytd? I am NO BB expert, but as a conference we don't seem to have any big wins. They beat VCU and Charleston....
I was thinking about this the other day. So I looked it up.
Top 100 Wins for the MAC (Opponents RPI as of 1/7):
Kent St. vs. UAB (23)
Western Mich vs. VCU (50)
Eastern Mich @ Oakland (61)
Western Mich vs. Northeastern (70)
Ball St. @ Indiana St. (77)
Ohio vs. Illinois St. (78)
Ohio @ IUPUI (90)
Best wins for teams with no Top 100 wins
Buffalo @ Wisconsin-GB (102)
Central Mich @ South Florida (104)
Miami vs. Wright St. (114)
Bowling Green vs. St. Louis (124)
Akron vs. Niagra (130)
Toledo vs. IPFW (256)
Northern Illinois vs. Tennessee St. (277)
It looks like Central Michigan's win over South Florida is the only win vs. the "Big Six" conferences this year.
(01-07-2010 07:34 PM)Eagle66 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2010 06:26 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at a few MAC teams it seems WMU has the "best" wins ytd? I am NO BB expert, but as a conference we don't seem to have any big wins. They beat VCU and Charleston....
I was thinking about this the other day. So I looked it up.
Top 100 Wins for the MAC (Opponents RPI as of 1/7):
Kent St. vs. UAB (23)
Western Mich vs. VCU (50)
Eastern Mich @ Oakland (61)
Western Mich vs. Northeastern (70)
Ball St. @ Indiana St. (77)
Ohio vs. Illinois St. (78)
Ohio @ IUPUI (90)
Best wins for teams with no Top 100 wins
Buffalo @ Wisconsin-GB (102)
Central Mich @ South Florida (104)
Miami vs. Wright St. (114)
Bowling Green vs. St. Louis (124)
Akron vs. Niagra (130)
Toledo vs. IPFW (256)
Northern Illinois vs. Tennessee St. (277)
It looks like Central Michigan's win over South Florida is the only win vs. the "Big Six" conferences this year.
To be more accurate, you should look at the RPI of the opponent going into the meeting with the MAC team. See below:
Kent St. vs. UAB (#13 going into the game)
Western Mich vs. VCU (#13 going into the game)
Eastern Mich @ Oakland (NA; it was the first game of the season)
Western Mich vs. Northeastern (#159 going into the game)
Ball St. @ Indiana St. (#35 going into the game)
Ohio vs. Illinois St. (#174 going into the game)
Ohio @ IUPUI (#66 going into the game)
Best wins for teams with no Top 100 wins
Buffalo @ Wisconsin-GB (#96 going into the game)
Central Mich @ South Florida (#49 going into the game)
Miami vs. Wright St. (#99 going into the game)
Bowling Green vs. St. Louis (#94 going into the game)
Akron vs. Niagra (#136 going into the game)
Toledo vs. IPFW (#194 going into the game)
Northern Illinois vs. Tennessee St. (#109 going into the game)
(01-07-2010 09:44 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ]To be more accurate, you should look at the RPI of the opponent going into the meeting with the MAC team.
Why would that be more accurate? As the season goes on, the RPI becomes a better (not the best but better) barometer of how good a win is / was. Especially for games very early in the season.
(01-08-2010 07:17 AM)Eagle66 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2010 09:44 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ]To be more accurate, you should look at the RPI of the opponent going into the meeting with the MAC team.
Why would that be more accurate? As the season goes on, the RPI becomes a better (not the best but better) barometer of how good a win is / was. Especially for games very early in the season.
it's more accurate because it's a snapshot of how the team was playing when the game was played. it's more of a pure comparison, in my opinion.
(01-08-2010 02:32 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2010 07:17 AM)Eagle66 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2010 09:44 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ]To be more accurate, you should look at the RPI of the opponent going into the meeting with the MAC team.
Why would that be more accurate? As the season goes on, the RPI becomes a better (not the best but better) barometer of how good a win is / was. Especially for games very early in the season.
it's more accurate because it's a snapshot of how the team was playing when the game was played. it's more of a pure comparison, in my opinion.
I disagree. Early season RPI is so unreliable to determine who is any good. At one point this season, Kentucky had an RPI around 180. If you had beat them then, would you not have considered it as good of a win?
(01-09-2010 07:19 AM)Eagle66 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2010 02:32 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2010 07:17 AM)Eagle66 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2010 09:44 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: [ -> ]To be more accurate, you should look at the RPI of the opponent going into the meeting with the MAC team.
Why would that be more accurate? As the season goes on, the RPI becomes a better (not the best but better) barometer of how good a win is / was. Especially for games very early in the season.
it's more accurate because it's a snapshot of how the team was playing when the game was played. it's more of a pure comparison, in my opinion.
I disagree. Early season RPI is so unreliable to determine who is any good. At one point this season, Kentucky had an RPI around 180. If you had beat them then, would you not have considered it as good of a win?
i've been thinking of this off and on since i posted you back, and i can definitely see your point. and i agree with what you are saying about the early-season RPI not being very reliable. to be honest, i would imagine most RPI comparisons are made the way you presented yours originally.