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ND did name one of the assistants as "taking over the team until a head coach is announced." But you really need to have someone for recruiting purposes, even if you are not planning on a bowl game.

(12-01-2009 02:00 PM)rocketfootball Wrote: [ -> ]ND did name one of the assistants as "taking over the team until a head coach is announced." But you really need to have someone for recruiting purposes, even if you are not planning on a bowl game.

Thanks RF, in all the hype about Weis and his successor, I missed the part about the assistant taking over on an interim basis.

Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

(12-01-2009 08:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2009 09:15 PM)mufanatehc Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2009 09:00 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote: [ -> ]C-USA's web site states they have a conditional agreement.

So what is the meaning of conditional? Contingent or primary?

Conditional only means certain conditions must be met. (ie- If army isn't bowl eligible, CUSA becomes a primary affiliate

Can't do that.

A bowl is only allowed two primary agreements. It can be with a conference or a team. Eagle Bank's primary agreements were with the ACC and Army. C-USA was a back-up, call it conditional, that is what it is. No C-USA can be selected at 6-6 for Eagle Bank until ALL 7-5 schools are placed. Now the odds are very good that all 7-5 teams will be placed and then Eagle Bank is free to select a 6-6 CUSA but not until that point.

That's not true. Marshall will be going there at 6-6 before 7-5 at large teams get selected. It's similar to Notre Dame's agreement with the Big East.

If that were true, Marshall would definitely be staying home as UCLA and Notre Dame would be much more attractive 6-6 selections and you wouldn't see Marshall in any bowl projections.

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

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Well, not much of a secret. Temple wants to go to DC because it knows it can generate good ticket sales and have a strong showing there.

(12-01-2009 02:36 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

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Well, not much of a secret. Temple wants to go to DC because it knows it can generate good ticket sales and have a strong showing there.

Not to mention that this bowl pays more than the other possibilities. $1 million I think. But does that all get divided amongst the MAC schools though?

(12-01-2009 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 02:36 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

ve:

Well, not much of a secret. Temple wants to go to DC because it knows it can generate good ticket sales and have a strong showing there.

Not to mention that this bowl pays more than the other possibilities. $1 million I think. But does that all get divided amongst the MAC schools though?

It does. Though honestly after paying for bowl expenses (eating tickets not sold, travel, lodging, etc.) it's doubtful there would be much of anything left. IIRC, the only MAC team to have a surplus of bowl money in recent years has been Central because of being able to recoup money from ticket sales.

What they don't tell you about bowl "payouts" is that a lot of payout is in the form of a block of tickets that you (the school) have to sell. If you don't sell them, then sorry...you don't make any money.

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

Why? A DC bowl would be great for most Temple fans.

(12-01-2009 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention that this bowl pays more than the other possibilities. $1 million I think. But does that all get divided amongst the MAC schools though?

I thought that payout was only for the contracted teams and that back-ups do not necessarily get the same amount of $$.

There is another scenario that I haven't seen mentioned that I think is possible. The C-USA bowls do not have a formal order for their selections. I don't think it can be assumed that Eaglebank receives the last pick of the C-USA teams. The Eaglebank could select a C-USA team with a winning record and thus allow another C-USA bowl to select Marshall. The Eaglebank could then select an at-large team as a provisional for Army.

I'm not saying that's likely, but I do believe it's possible and within the rules.

(12-01-2009 02:23 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ]That's not true. Marshall will be going there at 6-6 before 7-5 at large teams get selected. It's similar to Notre Dame's agreement with the Big East.

If that were true, Marshall would definitely be staying home as UCLA and Notre Dame would be much more attractive 6-6 selections and you wouldn't see Marshall in any bowl projections.

That's not how the NCAA interpreted it last year when a ruling was requested.

(12-01-2009 09:33 AM)Bobcat110 Wrote: [ -> ]Anything in NCAA rules to prevent a bowl game having two teams from the same conference? Just curious....if a bowl has to choose 7-5 teams prior to any 6-6 teams and the only 7-5 teams remaining are Bowling Green and No. Illinois, is that the matchup?

No, with a caveat. If an impasse is reached because bowls are avoiding selecting a 7-5 at-large to get to a 6-6 at large and no one is wanting to take the 7-5, the bowls with a vacancy are drawn from a hat and can begin selecting to fill their vacancies, but once the remaining bowls equals the remaining number of 7-5 teams, the bowls have to select 7-5 teams but no bowl can be left in the position of having to select a team from a conference that is already in the bowl. We got very close to this procedure last year. I-Bowl, Texas, Hawaii, Birmingham, and Detroit all wanted NC State and Notre Dame but neither could accept a bid until someone took the leftover MAC 7-5. Notre Dame let the word out that they wanted to go to Hawaii (ESPN upped the ante) as soon as Texas selected Western Michigan (oddly enough they move to ESPN from NFL Network this year... coincidence?) everything fell into place. If that had not happened, it would have gone to a draft and if Motor City had last pick, the bowl in front of them had to take the MAC team.

As to payouts. Just throw announced payouts out the window. Not only is a lot of it in blocks of tickets, the bowls are under no obligation to pay a MAC or Sun Belt team the amount offered to the SEC or Big 10 team they replace. Shreveport was paying the SEC and Big 12 $1.1 million each, half in cash. Based on what I heard at the time and the results of the public audit La.Tech and NIU got more like $100,000 in cash and the same amount of tickets as the SEC and Big 12.

BTW. Am I the only one who remembers when the Orange Bowl rematched Oklahoma and Nebraska? Nebraska and Oklahoma tied for the Big 8 title with Nebraska holding the tie-breaker by beating Oklahoma. Nebraska had lost to Mizzou and Alabama but Nebraska was Oklahoma's only loss so the Sooners were rated #4 and the Huskers #6. Penn State was #1 and went to the Sugar to play #2 Alabama. #3 USC and #5 Michigan were in the Rose. Rather than take #7 Clemson or #8 Arkansas, the Orange took #4 Oklahoma (Sooners won the rematch).

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

Temple is negotiating to assume the ACC seat in the Eagle Bank Bowl, not that of CUSA. Of course, they would have to face Army in a rematch (curious), or a 6-6 Marshall squad if they go to Washington. You would think they would want revenge vs. the Big East in the International Bowl against either Rutgers or UConn. I'm sure the distance to DC for most Owl fans plays a big part in where they would like to go, and the distance and passport requirements for Toronto will be an inconvenience.

Victory Engineer: Whey do you think Temple going to the EagleBank Bowl sux...is that because you prefer at BE match-up in the I Bowl?

I can't speak for VE... But, I think there is a feeling that the very... last team in would be the team the Owls would play in the EBB... so #66 maybe...

So, yes, BE opponent would be a more fetching match for most Temple fans.

(12-01-2009 04:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]BTW. Am I the only one who remembers when the Orange Bowl rematched Oklahoma and Nebraska? Nebraska and Oklahoma tied for the Big 8 title with Nebraska holding the tie-breaker by beating Oklahoma. Nebraska had lost to Mizzou and Alabama but Nebraska was Oklahoma's only loss so the Sooners were rated #4 and the Huskers #6. Penn State was #1 and went to the Sugar to play #2 Alabama. #3 USC and #5 Michigan were in the Rose. Rather than take #7 Clemson or #8 Arkansas, the Orange took #4 Oklahoma (Sooners won the rematch).

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?year=1975

Good call. I tried looking this up last week, and thought it was in the early '70s. Since I couldn't find it I thought I had mis-remembered.

(12-01-2009 06:24 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

Temple is negotiating to assume the ACC seat in the Eagle Bank Bowl, not that of CUSA. Of course, they would have to face Army in a rematch (curious), or a 6-6 Marshall squad if they go to Washington. You would think they would want revenge vs. the Big East in the International Bowl against either Rutgers or UConn. I'm sure the distance to DC for most Owl fans plays a big part in where they would like to go, and the distance and passport requirements for Toronto will be an inconvenience.

Temple vs. Marshall would be good for Temple.

Marshall is beatable and Temple would feel comfortable in D.C. having played in the D.C. area earlier this year (@ Navy).

Temple recruits the D.C. and Balto areas hard and has a signficant number of players from say 1 hour car ride from RFK.

(12-04-2009 10:42 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 06:24 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

Temple is negotiating to assume the ACC seat in the Eagle Bank Bowl, not that of CUSA. Of course, they would have to face Army in a rematch (curious), or a 6-6 Marshall squad if they go to Washington. You would think they would want revenge vs. the Big East in the International Bowl against either Rutgers or UConn. I'm sure the distance to DC for most Owl fans plays a big part in where they would like to go, and the distance and passport requirements for Toronto will be an inconvenience.

Temple vs. Marshall would be good for Temple.

Marshall is beatable and Temple would feel comfortable in D.C. having played in the D.C. area earlier this year (@ Navy).

Temple recruits the D.C. and Balto areas hard and has a signficant number of players from say 1 hour car ride from RFK.

Temple Marshall sounds OK... likely though???

(12-04-2009 12:42 PM)Owls Head Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-04-2009 10:42 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 06:24 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-01-2009 02:20 PM)victory engineer Wrote: [ -> ]Temple scout site states that Temple is working to negotiate its way into the CUSA seat in the eagle bank bowl... I think that sucks.

Temple is negotiating to assume the ACC seat in the Eagle Bank Bowl, not that of CUSA. Of course, they would have to face Army in a rematch (curious), or a 6-6 Marshall squad if they go to Washington. You would think they would want revenge vs. the Big East in the International Bowl against either Rutgers or UConn. I'm sure the distance to DC for most Owl fans plays a big part in where they would like to go, and the distance and passport requirements for Toronto will be an inconvenience.

Temple vs. Marshall would be good for Temple.

Marshall is beatable and Temple would feel comfortable in D.C. having played in the D.C. area earlier this year (@ Navy).

Temple recruits the D.C. and Balto areas hard and has a signficant number of players from say 1 hour car ride from RFK.

Temple Marshall sounds OK... likely though???

Temple v Marshall would sell tix in DC. Once again, #1 priority is for the local bowl to do well.

Temple in GMAC makes little sense. Temple in I-bowl probably as good a choice as any for I-bowl, but Temple in DC is better for Temple fan base.