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and is it worth staying in pizza vs sec9?

maybe share pizza/st pete with sec 9, B12 8?

I say get the B12 8 into the St Pete bowl.

Big12 8 rarely exists.

(10-07-2009 09:34 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]wow

and is it worth staying in pizza vs sec9?

maybe share pizza/st pete with sec 9, B12 8?

Remember, ever since the BCS went to 5 Bowl Games 3 years ago...the SEC (and the Big Ten) have had TWO BCS Bowl invites/teams all 3 years...which means whatever the SEC and Big Ten Bowl agreements are after the BCS...those selections each move down a notch when its their time to pick (i.e. if you have an agreement for SEC #9 and 2 SEC Teams end up in BCS...you now have SEC #10...if it even exists).

Liberty had the SEC #6 with stipulation that no state schools are in a matchup. I imagaine the Liberty will fall to #7. Big 12 Added gator, so I imagine the #8 will be tied up in one of the old bowls they had. Birmingham will be #9 Sec.

(10-08-2009 07:16 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]Liberty had the SEC #6 with stipulation that no state schools are in a matchup. I imagaine the Liberty will fall to #7. Big 12 Added Sunbowl, so I imagine the #8 will be tied up in one of the old bowls they had. Birmingham will be #9 Sec.

I would imagine that the Music City Bowl with a solid ACC opponent will fall to SEC #7 as that will be a solid SEC pick every year.

Liberty will probably get #8 which in a few years may not be filled in the SEC. In past years this would have been okay for CUSA because they would have been able to backfill with Boise/Utah or service academy.

With the new arrangements and the overall rise of the MWC/Boise as yearly BCS game contenders the Liberty may have to resort to hosting the MAC Champion in the event the SEC comes up short.

sec 8 should be safe most of the time.
sec has avg 9 last three years, so 8 ok even if 2 to bcs.
sec 9 ?

b12 7 should be safe most of the time.
b12 has avg 8 last 3 years, so 7 ok even if 2 to bcs.
b12 8?

(10-08-2009 02:08 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]sec 8 should be safe most of the time.
sec has avg 9 last three years, so 8 ok even if 2 to bcs.
sec 9 ?

b12 7 should be safe most of the time.
b12 has avg 8 last 3 years, so 7 ok even if 2 to bcs.
b12 8?

As a practical matter, does "#9 SEC" really even exist? How often do they have 9 bowl-eligible teams?

twice in last 3 years

9,10,8

again have to also account if 2 go to bcs

(10-08-2009 09:30 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]twice in last 3 years

9,10,8

again have to also account if 2 go to bcs

Well Ok ...

(10-08-2009 02:08 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]sec 8 should be safe most of the time.
sec has avg 9 last three years, so 8 ok even if 2 to bcs.
sec 9 ?

b12 7 should be safe most of the time.
b12 has avg 8 last 3 years, so 7 ok even if 2 to bcs.
b12 8?

Independence was Big 12 #7 vs SEC #8 last year. They ended up with two at larges to fill. That was probably a perfect storm, though.

If I'm a bowl, I'd be wary of top heavy leagues like the SEC and Big 12. They are at high risk for coming up short. Not only to they almost always get two in the BCS, they typically don't have many wins to go around for those #7-10 teams to get eligible. For sure making a deal for the #9 for both those leagues is just too high risk. The #8 is probably worth it, but you have to factor in you may have to find an at large up to half the time. Even a #7 for the Big 12 and SEC isn't completely safe, but the risk is pretty low.

(10-09-2009 09:09 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2009 02:08 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]sec 8 should be safe most of the time.
sec has avg 9 last three years, so 8 ok even if 2 to bcs.
sec 9 ?

b12 7 should be safe most of the time.
b12 has avg 8 last 3 years, so 7 ok even if 2 to bcs.
b12 8?

Independence was Big 12 #7 vs SEC #8 last year. They ended up with two at larges to fill. That was probably a perfect storm, though.

If I'm a bowl, I'd be wary of top heavy leagues like the SEC and Big 12. They are at high risk for coming up short. Not only to they almost always get two in the BCS, they typically don't have many wins to go around for those #7-10 teams to get eligible. For sure making a deal for the #9 for both those leagues is just too high risk. The #8 is probably worth it, but you have to factor in you may have to find an at large up to half the time. Even a #7 for the Big 12 and SEC isn't completely safe, but the risk is pretty low.

Yeah, it's understandable why the Independence Bowl didn't want to roll the dice with getting those very low picks from the SEC and Big 12 anymore, but that said, i find it hard to believe it can succeed with a MWC/ACC matchup.

I know that the Indy draws a lot of local fans, but still .... i wonder how many ACC fans are going to be willing to travel 500+ miles and MWC fans twice that far to go to Shreveport Louisiana??

(10-08-2009 09:30 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]twice in last 3 years

9,10,8

again have to also account if 2 go to bcs

FYI...SEC has had two teams in BCS Bowls each of the last 3 seasons...and now with the extra BCS game (5 BCS Bowls, 10 slots), its probably safe to say that MOST years, SEC will have 2 teams playing in BCS Bowls...which means all of their bowl agreements actually move down one slot. (i.e. 8th selection becomes #9 pick, if available,....9th selection becomes #10 pick, if available and so on).

We may be better off trying to get the B12 8 in St Pete, than the SEC 9 in PJ.com

(10-09-2009 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2009 09:09 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2009 02:08 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]sec 8 should be safe most of the time.
sec has avg 9 last three years, so 8 ok even if 2 to bcs.
sec 9 ?

b12 7 should be safe most of the time.
b12 has avg 8 last 3 years, so 7 ok even if 2 to bcs.
b12 8?

Independence was Big 12 #7 vs SEC #8 last year. They ended up with two at larges to fill. That was probably a perfect storm, though.

If I'm a bowl, I'd be wary of top heavy leagues like the SEC and Big 12. They are at high risk for coming up short. Not only to they almost always get two in the BCS, they typically don't have many wins to go around for those #7-10 teams to get eligible. For sure making a deal for the #9 for both those leagues is just too high risk. The #8 is probably worth it, but you have to factor in you may have to find an at large up to half the time. Even a #7 for the Big 12 and SEC isn't completely safe, but the risk is pretty low.

Yeah, it's understandable why the Independence Bowl didn't want to roll the dice with getting those very low picks from the SEC and Big 12 anymore, but that said, i find it hard to believe it can succeed with a MWC/ACC matchup.

I know that the Indy draws a lot of local fans, but still .... i wonder how many ACC fans are going to be willing to travel 500+ miles and MWC fans twice that far to go to Shreveport Louisiana??

As far as the MWC, I suspect about 3 of the 4 years TCU and AFA will be there. The LV Bowl and Poinsettia will often opt for BYU and Utah, even if TCU wins the conference. We are only 3-3.5 hours away and will travel very well, probably about like we have to the Texas Bowl (~20K). There is an AF base by Shreveport and AFA has travelled very well to the Armed Forces Bowl the last few years- I suspect they'll get 10K plus.

(10-09-2009 10:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2009 09:30 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]twice in last 3 years

9,10,8

again have to also account if 2 go to bcs

FYI...SEC has had two teams in BCS Bowls each of the last 3 seasons...and now with the extra BCS game (5 BCS Bowls, 10 slots), its probably safe to say that MOST years, SEC will have 2 teams playing in BCS Bowls...which means all of their bowl agreements actually move down one slot. (i.e. 8th selection becomes #9 pick, if available,....9th selection becomes #10 pick, if available and so on).

right, with them also avg 9 eligible the last 3 years, anything below '8', ie the pizza bowl, is a risk of not filling it.

same applies to B12, although have has 2bcs in 2 of 3 last yrs.
avg 8 eligilble last 3 years
anything below '7', is a risk.

(10-09-2009 10:58 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2009 10:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2009 09:09 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2009 02:08 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]sec 8 should be safe most of the time.
sec has avg 9 last three years, so 8 ok even if 2 to bcs.
sec 9 ?

b12 7 should be safe most of the time.
b12 has avg 8 last 3 years, so 7 ok even if 2 to bcs.
b12 8?

Independence was Big 12 #7 vs SEC #8 last year. They ended up with two at larges to fill. That was probably a perfect storm, though.

If I'm a bowl, I'd be wary of top heavy leagues like the SEC and Big 12. They are at high risk for coming up short. Not only to they almost always get two in the BCS, they typically don't have many wins to go around for those #7-10 teams to get eligible. For sure making a deal for the #9 for both those leagues is just too high risk. The #8 is probably worth it, but you have to factor in you may have to find an at large up to half the time. Even a #7 for the Big 12 and SEC isn't completely safe, but the risk is pretty low.

Yeah, it's understandable why the Independence Bowl didn't want to roll the dice with getting those very low picks from the SEC and Big 12 anymore, but that said, i find it hard to believe it can succeed with a MWC/ACC matchup.

I know that the Indy draws a lot of local fans, but still .... i wonder how many ACC fans are going to be willing to travel 500+ miles and MWC fans twice that far to go to Shreveport Louisiana??

As far as the MWC, I suspect about 3 of the 4 years TCU and AFA will be there. The LV Bowl and Poinsettia will often opt for BYU and Utah, even if TCU wins the conference. We are only 3-3.5 hours away and will travel very well, probably about like we have to the Texas Bowl (~20K). There is an AF base by Shreveport and AFA has travelled very well to the Armed Forces Bowl the last few years- I suspect they'll get 10K plus.

I like the Indy bowl, so i hope you are right.

wonder if the Liberty rued the day they told the Big East (thanks but no thanks)

(10-09-2009 01:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]wonder if the Liberty rued the day they told the Big East (thanks but no thanks)

Their #1 priority has always been an SEC tie-in. They probably won't ever rue blowing off the Big East unless it ends up causing them to lose their SEC tie-in...which it possibly could in the future.

(10-09-2009 02:59 PM)3601 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2009 01:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]wonder if the Liberty rued the day they told the Big East (thanks but no thanks)

Their #1 priority has always been an SEC tie-in. They probably won't ever rue blowing off the Big East unless it ends up causing them to lose their SEC tie-in...which it possibly could in the future.

I'm curious: Hypothetically, how could blowing off the BE cause them to lose their SEC tie-in?