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Obama: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Did this guy learn nothing from the Clinton years?

This is the proverbial kitchen sink. Democrats are going all in. Nuclear Option.

(08-21-2009 11:23 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Obama: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Did this guy learn nothing from the Clinton years?

Is Obama channeling Robert?

We're screwed.

What about the vast left wing conspiracy to socialize America.

Usually when you put something in quotes in means the attributed party said it.

It's pretty apparent that the republicans most fervent wish is a repeat of '93.

(08-21-2009 11:23 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Obama: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Did this guy learn nothing from the Clinton years?

Narcissists don't learn they blame others, nothing is ever their fault.

I was a member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy back in 93.... and guess what, we haven't even started to fight yet.

Give us 4 1/2 months...right after the first of the year.

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I have to believe that this Great and Good Hearted being, our Father Barack, just has Alex Jones ***** Envy and really can't help himself.

Let us see Father Barack ...... Republicans have 10 Members in the House and 10 Members in the Senate, but there is a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy going on with these 20 Congressmen out of 500 !!!!!!! ??????

No Father Barack, it is the Millions of "WE THE PEOPLE" who are driving this Bullet Train up your Fisted Arrsey and Oh Mighty Father Barack, "THIS TRAIN HAS NO "CABOOSE" (it doesn't end sweetheart).

These REAL "WE THE PEOPLE" are PISSED Father Barack and they Hate Your Village ...... Father Barack, you will cause massive Blood Shed on your own streets if you DON NOT BACK OFF.

And a lot of us know who you really are and that you care not about the Office of President, that was just to get you in the Correct Position and Proper Power Base to truly become "Father Barack of the World".

We know you must suffer a "Mortal Wound" that any other Real Human would die from, YET, you will make a swift and Miraculous Recovery right before our very eyes and "All The World and Wonder and Marvel at the sight". This matters not for those that know you best, know that you have no Real Power Against Them.

Push your Nuclear Health Care Bill thru against the Majority's Wishes and YOU shall Reap what YOU SOW.

I am not afraid of you Father Barack, just as many Million are also not afraid of you .... "WE THE PEOPLE" will stand up strong no matter what you do.

Enjoy it all Father Barack .... for "Fame is Fleeting" and then there is nothing left but the Harsh Meanness and Uber-Hatred for all things around you.

We are already starting too see you Fray at the Ends and it is very much Amusing to the 9th x 9th x Infinity Power too watch.

Maybe I will get your VERY GOOD FRIEND, Bill Ayers to teach me how to build a bomb .....

!!!!!!!!! OH THAT'S RIGHT, the US Military Taught all that and Taught ME VERY WELL.

TOOT TOOT Now Father Barack.

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(08-21-2009 01:19 PM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Usually when you put something in quotes in means the attributed party said it.

Sometimes. But quotes have many other uses as I'm sure you are well aware. For example, you use quotes to highlight a coined phrase, such as "vast right wing conspiracy," "idiot proofing," and the like.

Quote:It's pretty apparent that the republicans most fervent wish is a repeat of '93.

The HORROR!! Republicans wanting a repeat of when they took control of congress. Don't they realize that their goal shoud be to stay out of power?

Quote:It's pretty apparent that the republicans most fervent wish is a repeat of '93.

Quote:The HORROR!! Republicans wanting a repeat of when they took control of congress.

Who framed it that way? It's just ridiculous to deny that they're trying to stall the healthcare reform because that's what their lobbyists paid them to do. Same as when Clinton tried to run it through.

Quote:Don't they realize that their goal shoud be to stay out of power?

Gaining power should not be their goal. Their goal should be the same as any other politician's - to solve problems. By doing so, in an honest, willing to compromise manner, they will achieve a majority.

It's really ****** up that in this country - power is ever a goal. It should be an obligation, not a goal.

(08-24-2009 11:52 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Who framed it that way? It's just ridiculous to deny that they're trying to stall the healthcare reform because that's what their lobbyists paid them to do. Same as when Clinton tried to run it through.

Unlike liberal dems pushing it so hard because that's what their lobbyists paid them to do?

It would be ridiculous to deny it if the proposals didn't include a public option or something of the like and they were trying to stall it.

If the public option is dropped and they still won't come to the table, I will grant your point. Not before.

(08-24-2009 11:52 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Gaining power should not be their goal. Their goal should be the same as any other politician's - to solve problems. By doing so, in an honest, willing to compromise manner, they will achieve a majority.

It's really ****** up that in this country - power is ever a goal. It should be an obligation, not a goal.

Today the politicians only think of getting elected, staying in office, and getting re-elected. Nothing else is even in their top 10. They are much more interested in creating problems than solving them. If we could somehow go back to citizen legislators rather than the permanent political class we have today, we might have some sort of a fighting chance. But I don't see term limits or electorate intelligence coming into play any time soon.

(08-24-2009 11:52 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Gaining power should not be their goal. Their goal should be the same as any other politician's - to solve problems. By doing so, in an honest, willing to compromise manner, they will achieve a majority.
It's really ****** up that in this country - power is ever a goal. It should be an obligation, not a goal.

You have just enunciated the primary reason that I can never be a big-government liberal or a big-government conservative or a big-government anything.

Politicians and bureaucrats are never interested in anything but power. Creating new agencies with new regulatory powers to solve problems is like giving heroin to an addict. That's human nature, and that is not going to change.

No matter how many abuses were committed by health insurers in search of profits, I'm much more comfortable living with them than with the abuses that will be committed by health care bureaucrats in search of power. Anybody who thinks a greater government role in health care will make things cheaper or better--or less rationed, or any other beneficial state--is simply not dealing with reality.

(08-24-2009 12:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter how many abuses were committed by health insurers in search of profits, I'm much more comfortable living with them than with the abuses that will be committed by health care bureaucrats in search of power. Anybody who thinks a greater government role in health care will make things cheaper or better--or less rationed, or any other beneficial state--is simply not dealing with reality.

Well said.

There is the way things are and the way we'd like them to be. I would love it if politicians really did seek to serve the people. Every election, in the people I vote for, I look and hope for that trait. Unfortunately, I rarely find it.

I've been jaded to the point that motives have become irrelevant to me. Why a politican opposes a public option in healthcare means nothing to me, I just care that they oppose it because I do. Why a politician opposes Cap and Trade means nothing to me, I just care that they oppose it because I do.

Is it what I want? No. Is it what we have? Yes.

If I thought politicians and bureaucrats really put service first, I might be able to be a liberal/socialist/communist/fascist.

But I've spend too much time around both classes to have any unshattered illusions that they do. So I'm a libertarian. The other end of the scale.

(08-24-2009 12:15 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2009 12:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter how many abuses were committed by health insurers in search of profits, I'm much more comfortable living with them than with the abuses that will be committed by health care bureaucrats in search of power. Anybody who thinks a greater government role in health care will make things cheaper or better--or less rationed, or any other beneficial state--is simply not dealing with reality.

Well said.

There is the way things are and the way we'd like them to be. I would love it if politicians really did seek to serve the people. Every election, in the people I vote for, I look and hope for that trait. Unfortunately, I rarely find it.

I've been jaded to the point that motives have become irrelevant to me. Why a politican opposes a public option in healthcare means nothing to me, I just care that they oppose it because I do. Why a politician opposes Cap and Trade means nothing to me, I just care that they oppose it because I do.

Is it what I want? No. Is it what we have? Yes.

Big Gov't? yes I'm against it. But State and Local Gov't have their downside also. It seems to me all elected officials have the "power problem". They get elected to impose their style of Gov't on everyone else. It does not matter if it's the school board, city council, water district, home owners association or governor of the state.

They are only interested in gaining as much power as possible, by whatever means necessary. Unfortunately, People are the problem.

That why I think a single term, two at the most, is the only way Democracy works.

(08-24-2009 11:52 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Their goal should be the same as any other politician's - to solve problems. By doing so, in an honest, willing to compromise manner, they will achieve a majority.

Do you really believe that there's a single living American politician who has done this? Ever?

I don't.

(08-24-2009 12:04 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2009 11:52 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Gaining power should not be their goal. Their goal should be the same as any other politician's - to solve problems. By doing so, in an honest, willing to compromise manner, they will achieve a majority.

It's really ****** up that in this country - power is ever a goal. It should be an obligation, not a goal.

Today the politicians only think of getting elected, staying in office, and getting re-elected. Nothing else is even in their top 10. They are much more interested in creating problems than solving them. If we could somehow go back to citizen legislators rather than the permanent political class we have today, we might have some sort of a fighting chance. But I don't see term limits or electorate intelligence coming into play any time soon.

I have to agree with you there. But the old school farmer/rep might have odds with the local transportion/rep or the merchant/rep or banker/rep, and they'd push to legislate accordingly. I think a bigger issue is the lack of real accountability. So long as these folks are propped up by huge financial contributions/lobbyists, and there's a decided real physical distance, a communication distance & lack of transparency, then this will always be a problem.

(08-24-2009 12:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-24-2009 11:52 AM)Artifice Wrote: [ -> ]Their goal should be the same as any other politician's - to solve problems. By doing so, in an honest, willing to compromise manner, they will achieve a majority.

Do you really believe that there's a single living American politician who has done this? Ever?

I don't.

Ever's a big word. Yes. Rare, but yes, there have been a few noble gestures. Usually lost to obscurity, I'm sure.