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Democrats Planning Healthcare Vote Without GOP Support

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:12 PM


WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is broadening his push for overhauling healthcare even as congressional Democrats quietly pursue ways to achieve their goals without any Republican help.


After two days of silence on healthcare, Obama reengaged Wednesday, urging religious leaders to back his proposals and preparing for a pep talk to a much larger audience of liberal activists whose enthusiasm has been questioned. Polls continued to show slippage in support for the president's approach, although Americans expressed even less confidence in Republicans' handling of healthcare.


The administration said it still hopes for a bipartisan breakthrough on its far-reaching goals of expanding health coverage, controlling costs, and increasing competition among insurers. Privately, however, top Democrats said a bipartisan accord seems less likely than ever, and they are preparing strategies for a possible one-party legislative push soon after Congress reconvenes next month.


Democratic researchers have concluded that a strong-arm Senate tactic, which could negate the need for any GOP votes, might be more effective than previously thought, officials said.


The strategy, called "reconciliation," allows senators to get around a bill-killing filibuster without mustering the 60 votes usually needed. Democrats control 60 of the Senate's 100 seats, but two of their members — Robert Byrd of West Virginia and Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts — are seriously ill and often absent.


Although the reconciliation maneuver always is controversial, it lets the Senate pass some measures with a simple majority vote. Non-budget-related items can be challenged, however, and some lawmakers say reconciliation would knock so many provisions from Obama's healthcare plan that the result would be Swiss cheese.


Democratic aides say they believe those warnings are overblown.


On Wednesday, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., warned Republicans that reconciliation is a real option. The White House and Senate Democratic leaders still prefer a bipartisan bill, Jim Manley said, but "patience is not unlimited and we are determined to get something done this year by any legislative means necessary."


In a conference call with liberal religious leaders Wednesday, Obama called health coverage for Americans a "core ethical and moral obligation." He disputed claims that Democratic bills would create "death panels," offer healthcare for illegal immigrants, or fund abortions.


"I know that there's been a lot of misinformation in this debate and there are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness," Obama said. "I need you to spread the facts and speak the truth."


Administration officials and congressional Democrats were deeply discouraged this week when key Republican lawmakers seemed more critical than ever about various Democratic-drafted healthcare bills pending in the House and Senate. They said they still hope Senate Finance Committee efforts to craft a bipartisan compromise can succeed, although private remarks were more pessimistic.


"The president believes strongly in working with Republicans and Democrats, independents, any that seek to reform healthcare," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. "The president strongly believes that we're making progress."


Many Republicans believe that millions of Americans, and especially the GOP's conservative base, ardently oppose Obama's healthcare plans, which they consider too costly and intrusive.


Obama's approval ratings "continue to inch downward," a Pew Research Center poll concluded Wednesday. Favorable ratings for the Democratic Party also have fallen sharply, although they still exceed those of the Republican Party.


Nearly all sides agree that conservatives showed more energy than liberals this month at often-raucous town halls and other forums on healthcare. Valerie Jarrett, a top Obama adviser, warned liberal bloggers recently that the healthcare push is "an uphill battle, and it won't happen unless we energize our base."


Many conservatives think they see the first big chink in Obama's political armor, and Web sites and radio talk shows have encouraged the attacks against his proposals.


Democratic officials, meanwhile, say the often complex and slow-moving healthcare debate has not captivated millions of liberal activists who campaigned tirelessly for Obama last year.


Organizing for America, the president's political organization based at the Democratic National Committee, is trying to rally its members. Last week about 60,000 volunteers sent messages to lawmakers, urging them to support Obama's healthcare agenda.


Obama plans Thursday to promote his plans in a conference call and online address to supporters that could draw huge numbers of listeners. He also will speak with Philadelphia-based radio talk show host Michael Smerconish, who will broadcast from the White House.


Smerconish is generally seen as a conservative, although he endorsed Obama last year and supports abortion rights.


Vice President Joe Biden will meet with healthcare professionals in Chicago on Thursday to push the administration's plans. Joining him will be Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.


Republicans are keeping up their criticisms, and a prominent GOP Senate negotiator warned Democrats Wednesday not to shut them out.


"If the Democrats choose to go it alone, their healthcare plan will fail because the American people will have no confidence in it," said Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming. He is one of three GOP senators who have met regularly with Finance Committee members to seek a bipartisan bill.

© 2009 Associated Press.
That will probably be a very good way to make sure that the democrats lose power not only next year but also the presidency in 2012.
(08-20-2009 09:43 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]That will probably be a very good way to make sure that the democrats lose power not only next year but also the presidency in 2012.
03-lmfao It is about time they said **** the Republicans. For god sake, Mr. Grasshole said he wouldn't even vote for his own plan if the rest of the Republicans didn't vote for it. I don't know about you but that sure the hell sounds like the Republicans aren't interested in fixing the system unless it is completely written by Republicans. THEY WANT OBAMA TO FAIL AT ALL COSTS.
No Roberta, Republicans are sick of "the Party of I don't Care". And if Obama tumbles, so be it, he is a sh!tbird anyway, just like you. He may even share your latent homosexual tendencies.
(08-20-2009 11:25 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]No Roberta, Republicans are sick of "the Party of I don't Care". And if Obama tumbles, so be it, he is a sh!tbird anyway, just like you. He may even share your latent homosexual tendencies.
Come on. Rush said it and many in your party have said it. THEY WANT OBAMA TO FAIL AND ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DO IT NO MATTER HOW IT HURSTD THE COUNTRY,
Face it Roberta,
The Party of I don't Care, is doomed to failure.
Their ultra liberal views is not what America wanted or signed up for.
(08-20-2009 09:43 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]That will probably be a very good way to make sure that the democrats lose power not only next year but also the presidency in 2012.

No kidding. But would Moderate Democrats in the Senate go for it?
This looks like a way to lose an election, even if you do the right thing and oppose it. Mopst Senators would not back this measure.
(08-20-2009 11:45 AM)WMD Owl Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-20-2009 09:43 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]That will probably be a very good way to make sure that the democrats lose power not only next year but also the presidency in 2012.

No kidding. But would Moderate Democrats in the Senate go for it?
This looks like a way to lose an election in the south, even if you do the right thing and oppose it. No Republican Senators would back this measure because the want Obama to fail.
Corrected
The south? I bet the polls in the north are not real happy with it either. I wouldn't be shocked that outside of the NE (NY, MASS, VT, NH), Illinois, California, and Oregon, that they may not carry any other states in polls. Ohio, Michigan, the plains, all of the south, etc., could not garner 50% of the vote.
(08-20-2009 12:21 PM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]The south? I bet the polls in the north are not real happy with it either. I wouldn't be shocked that outside of the NE (NY, MASS, VT, NH), Illinois, California, and Oregon, that they may not carry any other states in polls. Ohio, Michigan, the plains, all of the south, etc., could not garner 50% of the vote.
I should have been more accurate. Any state that is traditionally red-like Oklahoma and the Dakota's.
Robert, if a Republican President proposed a measure to exterminate all liberals, you would want him to fail, wouldn't you? If he pushed to make your favorite of late, The 700 Club, required viewing, you would want him to fail, wouldn't you? Everytime a Republican proposes tax cuts, you want them to fail, don't you?

When Obama and the dems propose something we and the MAJORITY of Americans don't want, of course we want him to fail, you moron.

Because we want America to succeed.
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All I see out of this Dangerous Stupidity is pure Civil Unrest and even Civil War.

This will NOT Settle Quietly and I am telling you as I sit here living and breathing, this is the Spark that will Ignite a Fire Obama would only want to see if he is who I think he is.

If you think Bill Ayers caused some BullSh't Havoc back in the 60's, then God Help us all because you haven't see anything yet.

This country is about to Ass Forward with 10 Toes Up and Ten Toes Down ..... full blow Civil War with a Nation that has so many Guns & Arms that the United States Military is envious.

This isn't a game Obama is playing and he is wanting Civil War for some reason - - that is the ONLY REASON to keep pushing and pushing this thing thru like a Rabid Mad Dog when he HEARS and SEES "WE THE PEOPLE" telling his DUMB ASS to "NO, STOP IT OBAMA !!!!!!"

Only a Mentally Ill Fool would push for this under what he has witnessed over the past few months.

If he does this, especially under the conditions of the United States being Near Bankruptcy, he Loses in 2012 and Conservatives Take the Congress back Next Year and we have Civil War.

And I mean a Bloody one that NO ONE WANTS but OBAMA !!!!!!!!!

You Lib's best stew on this for a while dudes, people are going to get hurt and I have Grandchildren who I want to see live without Obama's Bankrupting Burdens.

Best OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE .........................

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One thing is very sure.

If the Democrats go it alone (and by all means, there isn't much stopping them) then when it fails catastrophically, that particular albatross will firmly affixed around the necks of the whole crew.

It will gift-wrap quite possibly both houses and the White house for the Republican party, if they don't manage to fumble it away.

The problem is, what is done won't be undone very easily. The US does not have much of a track record for dismantling beaurocracies.

Congrats, Robert. You're going to get what you want. Then when the train wrecks, there won't be much joy in telling you I told you so, because I'll be strapped to the cowcatcher with you.

Rebel

I pray this happens. They need to stop pussyfooting around and just do it. Should kill the moonbat party forever.
It's okay, I saw on MSNBC last night it is the EVIL Republicans fault this is necessary. You see, according to MSNBC, ever since the Republicans lost the senate majority they've filibustered more than any other time in history. They behavior has raised the standard necessary to pass legislation on the Senate floor. So the democrats are only doing what they have to, so they can pass the unpopular healthcare reform bill without any debate or disclosure of what is in the final bill. It's completely understandable and appropriate. 01-wingedeagle

BTW the MSNBC story was SO STUPID they used a basketball goal being raised as an illustration. What morons!!!
I am another that hope the Dems do this alone. That way, when it becomes the clusterf##k that it will surely become - everyone that has gotten screwed in the deal will know exactly who is a fault.

However, my greatest worry will be - can the damn failure be "undone". Government programs have a way of NEVER GOING AWAY, ONLY GETTING BIGGER.

When the tax increases to fund this start coming, I'm sure we will all be interested to find out that our $80K salary puts us into the "rich" catagory of Americans.
The Liberals are providing the means by which the gov't will prey on the weak and those unable to stand up for themselves, namely the elderly and retired or near retired and the poor. The Liberals are total hypocrites, It is their nature to create crisis to expand gov't. By their Hypocrisy they play one side against the other so they get the power.
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