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The last line of the article says that Bates replaced Hipsher.

Great news that Bates is returning.

Does anyone know of the philosophical difference between Hipshear and Hawkins? Did Hipshear advocate a more lenient approach as far as the players were concerned?

Great news! Hopefully Bates takes over as head coach.

(04-20-2009 06:55 AM)wmuvet Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.wmubroncos.com/ViewArticle.db...ID=3723980

The last line of the article says that Bates replaced Hipsher.

:yikes:

I'm all Bronco but who's gonna carry the mo in Abe's north 40 acres?

Hipsher is very connected in the basketball world. I hope for Hawk's sake this was amicable. Hipsher will find work, guaranteed. On the surface it looked like he saved Hawk's azz recruiting wise, as he kept things going when Bates left. One thing I've always wondered about was the choice of Hutcheson over Simons from Cadillac, and who pushed that one. I honestly think Simons was ours, and he flat out blew up his senior year--Dave Koolish in some of his games.

(04-20-2009 12:32 PM)Chipdip1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hipsher is very connected in the basketball world. I hope for Hawk's sake this was amicable. Hipsher will find work, guaranteed. On the surface it looked like he saved Hawk's azz recruiting wise, as he kept things going when Bates left. One thing I've always wondered about was the choice of Hutcheson over Simons from Cadillac, and who pushed that one. I honestly think Simons was ours, and he flat out blew up his senior year--Dave Koolish in some of his games.

Geographicaly ours. But in real terms word is he didnt want to be a reboudning 4. His comments on the Drake site when he signed made straight talk of liking to be a perimeter 4. I don't believe the staff stuck to "their guns" but once a kid or adult for that matter gets something in their head it's tough to "reprogram".

Simons was wanted by WMU, but I'm not sure the feelings were mutual. He played the waiting game thinking that WMU would always be there for him, but in the meantime we run into a kid from Iowa that did not hesitate when given the chance.

During late summer I talked with two persons in Cadilac that recently had retired from the Cadilac school system that knew Simons very well, and they were convinced that he was headed our way. By then Hawk had the offer out to him for several months and he was still dragging his feet. When Hutcheson became known Simons was told that we had interest in another player and he still did not give his commitment. Hutcheson on the other hand, made up his mind and made the commitment.

Only time will tell how each of them turn out. The recruiting game can be very tough on these coaches. I'd neve want a job where I depend on the wisdom, maturity and potential growth of 17 and 18 old young people. Heavens knows that I struggled while raising three children. In my opinion they are doing fine today dispite my mistakes.

Always proud to be a Bronco.

^
Some guy in Houston told me that story, 2nd time I've heard it, must be true.

(04-20-2009 12:32 PM)Chipdip1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hipsher is very connected in the basketball world. I hope for Hawk's sake this was amicable.

Based on the Gazette story it sounds like it was. I just hope that's true and not just them "being nice" in the media.

To me you have to keep the thing in perspective. Hipsher got a great opportunity in moving to WMU, immersed in a good MAC program. At his age (24) it was a good move. Being "connected" unless there is a shot at the head coach job, it is probably time for him to move on with his career ladder. And honestly, amicable or just businesslike, whatever, if the choice is Bates vs. Hipsher I'm going Bates every time.

From all accounts we got good value from Hipsher's time in Kalamazoo, and he had a good opportunity and another good rung on his career ladder. Nothing in there that should reflect badly on Hawk, in my opinion. If there really ARE philosophical differences (apart from that just being a common "moving on" phrase) then it is best for both to part ways.

Any way you slice it, should be no complaints from either side. Just the business side of coaching, and the normal course of events in some respect for a young coach like Hipsher.

I know for a fact that Simons worked out on several occasions with a former Bronco player. The word............"He plays soft, he's not tough." However, that's teachable.

I'm certain the staff had that info as well. Whether that influenced them I don't know.

He was injured during AAU's and never showed hi true value. His family is very closed door and won't tell you much, but his AAU coach was very open. If he was going non-BCS it was WMU. He was holding out for UM.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I think we should have waited. Hawk is like Cubit in that he doesn't like to play games. He wants guys who want to be here, and aren't constantly wavering and messing with your head. Time will tell.

The dilemna of the mid-major.

The options are limited. Finding the undiscovered gem (not likely anymore in the information age), finding the guy that really likes your setup and coaches and personnel and college setting (possible but limiting), finding the talented guy that doesn't mind playing a little under his true level, likes the biggest fish in the pond situation (workable but again limited) finding the guy that waited too long for what he/she really wanted and then settles for the next best available thing (some good possibilities here, this is a game of nerves on both sides and you do end up with someone who you're their second choice), the guy who is really good but maybe is a little injured, doesn't do good at AAU's, or is seriously injured and needs rehab, and ends up going somewhere beneath their true talent for that reason (limited choices and often the injury or situation ends up being a constraint later in the career), endless variations of the above.

I do like the approach of realism, finding people who want to play at your level and your program, people that like your philosophy and approach, building connections on that basis. Otherwise it is a true crapshoot and you can end up with a disfunctional group in a flash, a bunch of guys who would really rather be somewhere else.

Quote:Some guy in Houston told me that story, 2nd time I've heard it, must be true.

Surprised you heard his comments, as your attention was focussed on every lass hanging around the bar. I was a little embarassed for you.

Quote: Hawk is like Cubit in that he doesn't like to play games. He wants guys who want to be here, and aren't constantly wavering and messing with your head.

Totally agree with that mindset. People who decisively want to play at WMU have always been our best athletes.

(04-21-2009 04:26 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Some guy in Houston told me that story, 2nd time I've heard it, must be true.

Surprised you heard his comments, as your attention was focussed on every lass hanging around the bar. I was a little embarassed for you.

At least I'm still interested in women with having to use those "blue pills".

We all know you go to the drugstore before every big date, Godfrey.