04-01-2009, 08:56 AM
Rebel
04-01-2009, 09:07 AM
Steel on target.
04-01-2009, 09:36 AM
"Too libertarian" is a concept that doesn't really exist for me. I'm with Reb, spot on.
04-01-2009, 09:48 AM
Social Engineering is one of the big problems, whether it was Eugenics(Planned Parenthood) or the Community Reinvestment Act....
hardline Libertarians tend to be too politically tone deaf among other things. The article is over the mark on our problems, one area they tend to get wrong is this however:
They tend to think Govt. Force(no matter the distinctions) is immoral and against Liberty. This is not always the case, the simplified definition of Liberty is "the abscence of the Use of Force"....so when the Police are doing something Forceful it means no Liberty, right??? Wrong, sometimes those trying to impose their will on others are the Tyrants and have no connection to the Government. With the police playing the role of restoring order
We are an immoral nation, however there is some immorality within Libertarianism(generally the Libertines more so). Its just a matter of to what degree we are immoral, we are all sinners.
anyway, this trend and why was predicted decades ago as the natural, mathematical, result of our culture changing from its founding worldview to a Humanistic worldview
they use to teach in Law Schools based on Logic, known as Antithesis. Right and Wrong, Black and White....what is A is A and can not be non-A, etc. This is the foundation Blackstone was working from which the Founders relied on heavily.
This began to change heavily in the West, more so in the Eastern half but now its here, and today Law Schools teach from the opposite of this: Synthesis
that opens the doors to rationalizing all sorts of things.
hardline Libertarians tend to be too politically tone deaf among other things. The article is over the mark on our problems, one area they tend to get wrong is this however:
They tend to think Govt. Force(no matter the distinctions) is immoral and against Liberty. This is not always the case, the simplified definition of Liberty is "the abscence of the Use of Force"....so when the Police are doing something Forceful it means no Liberty, right??? Wrong, sometimes those trying to impose their will on others are the Tyrants and have no connection to the Government. With the police playing the role of restoring order
We are an immoral nation, however there is some immorality within Libertarianism(generally the Libertines more so). Its just a matter of to what degree we are immoral, we are all sinners.
anyway, this trend and why was predicted decades ago as the natural, mathematical, result of our culture changing from its founding worldview to a Humanistic worldview
they use to teach in Law Schools based on Logic, known as Antithesis. Right and Wrong, Black and White....what is A is A and can not be non-A, etc. This is the foundation Blackstone was working from which the Founders relied on heavily.
This began to change heavily in the West, more so in the Eastern half but now its here, and today Law Schools teach from the opposite of this: Synthesis
that opens the doors to rationalizing all sorts of things.
04-01-2009, 09:54 AM
(04-01-2009 09:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]"Too libertarian" is a concept that doesn't really exist for me. I'm with Reb, spot on.
I'm a social contract theorist. Williams asks profoundly challenging questions here, but he commits the error of the excluded middle. He assert there are only two answers to his question, there is, in fact, at least one more.