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http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61089

Sources: Conference Form 990s filed with the IRS; conference officials

This is how the data is presented:

Conference........ 2006-2007 media rights revenue

Details

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ACC..........$74.6 million.

7-year, $258 million deal with ABC/ESPN through 2010 for football; 10-year, $300 million deal with Raycom Sports through 2010-11 for basketball.

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Big 12 .........$51.5 million

8-year, $480 million deal with ABC/ESPN through 2015-16 for football, basketball and Olympic sports; 4-year, $78 million extension signed with FSN through 2011 for football. Note: FSNs football contract includes a multiyear deal to sublicense five games a year to ESPN and Versus. The conference receives no direct revenue from the sublicensed games.

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Big East........... $19.28 million

6-year, $200 million deal with ESPN through 2012-13 for basketball and through 2013 for football.

** Note that the CBS BB deal is not included here

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Big Ten........... $67.2 million

10-year football and basketball renewal with ABC/ESPN, worth a projected $1 billion, began in the fall of 2008 and runs through 2016-17. A 10-year, $50 million football and basketball deal with CBS ends this spring and will be replaced by a 10-year, $20 million deal beginning this fall. The Big Ten Network launched in August 2007 as a 25-year partnership between the conference and Fox. News Corp. indicated in a 10-Q federal filing last March that the conference could receive $2.8 billion over those 25 years, or an average of $112 million annually.

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Conference USA ............$9.65 million*

*Includes media and marketing revenue

6-year, $22 million deal with ESPN through 2010-11; 6-year, $45.8 million deal with CBS College Sports Network through 2010-11.

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Mid-American.............. $600,000

Multiyear deal with ESPN through 2010; regional deals with FSN Ohio and Comcast Chicago.

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Mountain West.............. $11.71 million

7-year, $82 million deal through 2013-14 with CBS College Sports Network that includes rights to all electronic media. The contract includes a provision for 10 games to be sublicensed to Versus.

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Pac-10........................ $43.0 million

5-year, $125 million deal with ABC/ESPN through 2011; 5-year, $97 million deal with FSN through 2011 for football (contract includes a multiyear deal to sublicense five games a year to Versus that pays the conference no direct revenue for those games); 6-year, $52.5 million deal with FSN through 2011-12 for basketball (deal gives FSN exclusive rights to sell, among other things, all Pac-10 basketball tournament sponsorship packages).

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SEC......................... $66.6 million

Eight-year extension of a partnership with CBS that began in the mid-1990s goes through 2008-09; deal with ESPN through 2008-09. Note: The conference signed two 15-year deals in August: an $825 million deal that extends CBSs longtime over-the-air package; and a 15-year, $2.25 billion deal with ESPN that gives the network control over all SEC games not controlled by CBS. Both deals begin this fall.

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Sun Belt............ $208,443

Terms for the multiyear deal with ESPN were not available.

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WAC................ $900,000

6-year, $6 million deal with ESPN through 2009-10. Note: A multiplatform extension signed last summer with ESPN extended the relationship through the 2016-17 season.

Pardon me, but Raycom doesnt own the SEC anymore. They signed off of the SEC during their tournament. They will no longer be caring SEC anything. Or atleast, that is what they said at the end of the tournament this year. They said their finally good byes.

Do ya'll still think you are ahead of the ACC? And they divide by 12, instead of 16.

(03-24-2009 11:19 AM)gdayre Wrote: [ -> ]Pardon me, but Raycom doesnt own the SEC anymore. They signed off of the SEC during their tournament. They will no longer be caring SEC anything. Or atleast, that is what they said at the end of the tournament this year. They said their finally good byes.

It's a bit confusing I know, but it is taking the media rights for the 2006-07 year and then off in the details listing the new contracts that have been negotiated and when they take effect.

My biggest concern is that they are siting a "6-year, $200 million deal with ESPN through 2012-13" which is well below the reported $250 million deal.

But they got the number of years wrong as well, it is actually a 7 year deal for basketball and a 6 year deal for football.

It's nice to have confirmation of some of the other side deals as well. Big 12, as one poster pointed out, also has a deal with FSN that totals nearly $20 million on top of the $60 million annually they receive from ESPN.

For the Big 12 that's $6.67 million per team.

For the Pac-10, it is a total of $5.32 million per team.

For the ACC it is $6.21 million per team.

And now for the really BIG Boys:

For the Big Ten it is anywhere between $16.27 million - $19.45 million per team.

For the SEC it will be $17 million per team.

The Arms Race has been won - and the winners are clearly the Big Ten and the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-24-2009 12:34 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: [ -> ]Do ya'll still think you are ahead of the ACC? And they divide by 12, instead of 16.

When it comes to money, I doubt you will find many posters here who believe the Big East is ahead of the ACC in either fb or bb dollars.

But at the VERY least, every poster on this board believes the Big East should be paid MORE than ACC when it comes to bb.

Btw, shouldn't you be crying on the C-USA board about how that wonderful 12 team all-sports conference has $11.3 million annually in media rights?

You do realize the smaller, more compact Mountain West gets $11.71 million annually to divide amongst 9 teams. At least they can claim their media rights are worth $1 million per team.

Guess, C-USA can't quite do that, at least according to this article.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-24-2009 12:50 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 11:19 AM)gdayre Wrote: [ -> ]Pardon me, but Raycom doesnt own the SEC anymore. They signed off of the SEC during their tournament. They will no longer be caring SEC anything. Or atleast, that is what they said at the end of the tournament this year. They said their finally good byes.

It's a bit confusing I know, but it is taking the media rights for the 2006-07 year and then off in the details listing the new contracts that have been negotiated and when they take effect.

My biggest concern is that they are siting a "6-year, $200 million deal with ESPN through 2012-13" which is well below the reported $250 million deal.

But they got the number of years wrong as well, it is actually a 7 year deal for basketball and a 6 year deal for football.

It's nice to have confirmation of some of the other side deals as well. Big 12, as one poster pointed out, also has a deal with FSN that totals nearly $20 million on top of the $60 million annually they receive from ESPN.

For the Big 12 that's $6.67 million per team.

For the Pac-10, it is a total of $5.32 million per team.

For the ACC it is $6.21 million per team.

And now for the really BIG Boys:

For the Big Ten it is anywhere between $16.27 million - $19.45 million per team.

For the SEC it will be $17 million per team.

The Arms Race has been won - and the winners are clearly the Big Ten and the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

I know you were doing averages/team, but remember that the Big 12's TV pool rights are split in two. 50% of those revenues are split equally and the other 50% are based on television appearances. I think that there are different payouts in the Big 12 based on OOC ABC, OOC FSN, OOC Versus and conference games depending on the network.

Teams like Texas and Oklahoma get the larger share of revenues where an Iowa St. gets much less of the pie.

(03-24-2009 12:56 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 12:34 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: [ -> ]Do ya'll still think you are ahead of the ACC? And they divide by 12, instead of 16.

When it comes to money, I doubt you will find many posters here who believe the Big East is ahead of the ACC in either fb or bb dollars.

But at the VERY least, every poster on this board believes the Big East should be paid MORE than ACC when it comes to bb.

Btw, shouldn't you be crying on the C-USA board about how that wonderful 12 team all-sports conference has $11.3 million annually in media rights?

You do realize the smaller, more compact Mountain West gets $11.71 million annually to divide amongst 9 teams. At least they can claim their media rights are worth $1 million per team.

Guess, C-USA can't quite do that, at least according to this article.

Cheers,
Neil

But a serious question here Neil. Since the CBS monies are not reflected in this deal, and its been reported to be at $9 million per year, that would be a total of $63 million over a 7 year period, and be worth $563,000 additional $$ per team correct?

I guess I dont understan why all of the other conference are showing tv dollars for both fb and bb from all sources, yet the BE is leaving out CBS.

(03-24-2009 01:12 PM)mattsarz Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 12:50 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 11:19 AM)gdayre Wrote: [ -> ]Pardon me, but Raycom doesnt own the SEC anymore. They signed off of the SEC during their tournament. They will no longer be caring SEC anything. Or atleast, that is what they said at the end of the tournament this year. They said their finally good byes.

It's a bit confusing I know, but it is taking the media rights for the 2006-07 year and then off in the details listing the new contracts that have been negotiated and when they take effect.

My biggest concern is that they are siting a "6-year, $200 million deal with ESPN through 2012-13" which is well below the reported $250 million deal.

But they got the number of years wrong as well, it is actually a 7 year deal for basketball and a 6 year deal for football.

It's nice to have confirmation of some of the other side deals as well. Big 12, as one poster pointed out, also has a deal with FSN that totals nearly $20 million on top of the $60 million annually they receive from ESPN.

For the Big 12 that's $6.67 million per team.

For the Pac-10, it is a total of $5.32 million per team.

For the ACC it is $6.21 million per team.

And now for the really BIG Boys:

For the Big Ten it is anywhere between $16.27 million - $19.45 million per team.

For the SEC it will be $17 million per team.

The Arms Race has been won - and the winners are clearly the Big Ten and the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

I know you were doing averages/team, but remember that the Big 12's TV pool rights are split in two. 50% of those revenues are split equally and the other 50% are based on television appearances. I think that there are different payouts in the Big 12 based on OOC ABC, OOC FSN, OOC Versus and conference games depending on the network.

Teams like Texas and Oklahoma get the larger share of revenues where an Iowa St. gets much less of the pie.

Yes. The Big East also doesn't divide it equally either, but they have a different set-up than the Big 12.

I basically use average per team mainly to highlight the gaps in terms of media rights -

Big East - lowest on the totem pole of the Big 6

Pac-10, Big 12, ACC

Notre Dame

Big Ten, SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-24-2009 01:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]But a serious question here Neil. Since the CBS monies are not reflected in this deal, and its been reported to be at $9 million per year, that would be a total of $63 million over a 7 year period, and be worth $563,000 additional $$ per team correct?

I guess I don't understand why all of the other conference are showing tv dollars for both fb and bb from all sources, yet the BE is leaving out CBS.

I'm not sure they truly had all of the pertinent data regarding the Big East. As CubanBull pointed out in another thread, pinning the details down from the Big East/ESPN/CBS seems nearly impossible.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-24-2009 12:56 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 12:34 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: [ -> ]Do ya'll still think you are ahead of the ACC? And they divide by 12, instead of 16.

When it comes to money, I doubt you will find many posters here who believe the Big East is ahead of the ACC in either fb or bb dollars.

But at the VERY least, every poster on this board believes the Big East should be paid MORE than ACC when it comes to bb.

Btw, shouldn't you be crying on the C-USA board about how that wonderful 12 team all-sports conference has $11.3 million annually in media rights?

You do realize the smaller, more compact Mountain West gets $11.71 million annually to divide amongst 9 teams. At least they can claim their media rights are worth $1 million per team.

Guess, C-USA can't quite do that, at least according to this article.

Cheers,
Neil

I agree, it's sad. But we should also point out that the information indicated points out that the CUSA agreements are both in their final years while the MWC agreement is in it's beginning years. I think the next CUSA deal will probably be more inline with the MWC after this year, but who knows. We may still get squat and be happy about it.

That said, I'm shocked by the Big East numbers, if these are, in fact, correct. Given the markets covered, the number of teams, product on the court, and the exposure, you have to assume it should be more.

(03-24-2009 12:50 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 11:19 AM)gdayre Wrote: [ -> ]Pardon me, but Raycom doesnt own the SEC anymore. They signed off of the SEC during their tournament. They will no longer be caring SEC anything. Or atleast, that is what they said at the end of the tournament this year. They said their finally good byes.

It's a bit confusing I know, but it is taking the media rights for the 2006-07 year and then off in the details listing the new contracts that have been negotiated and when they take effect.

My biggest concern is that they are siting a "6-year, $200 million deal with ESPN through 2012-13" which is well below the reported $250 million deal.

But they got the number of years wrong as well, it is actually a 7 year deal for basketball and a 6 year deal for football.

It's nice to have confirmation of some of the other side deals as well. Big 12, as one poster pointed out, also has a deal with FSN that totals nearly $20 million on top of the $60 million annually they receive from ESPN.

For the Big 12 that's $6.67 million per team.

For the Pac-10, it is a total of $5.32 million per team.

For the ACC it is $6.21 million per team.

And now for the really BIG Boys:

For the Big Ten it is anywhere between $16.27 million - $19.45 million per team.

For the SEC it will be $17 million per team.

The Arms Race has been won - and the winners are clearly the Big Ten and the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

As you mentioned, I wonder if they have the year and money wrong. Also, how much is the CBS deal? If the numbers are right could the CBS deal possibly be the missing 50 million dollars? That aside, the job of the new commissioner should be clearly to put football first and give us a football deal worth about 30 to 40 million per year to help us compete. Basketball takes care of itself.

(03-24-2009 04:41 PM)CatsClaw Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 12:50 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2009 11:19 AM)gdayre Wrote: [ -> ]Pardon me, but Raycom doesnt own the SEC anymore. They signed off of the SEC during their tournament. They will no longer be caring SEC anything. Or atleast, that is what they said at the end of the tournament this year. They said their finally good byes.

It's a bit confusing I know, but it is taking the media rights for the 2006-07 year and then off in the details listing the new contracts that have been negotiated and when they take effect.

My biggest concern is that they are siting a "6-year, $200 million deal with ESPN through 2012-13" which is well below the reported $250 million deal.

But they got the number of years wrong as well, it is actually a 7 year deal for basketball and a 6 year deal for football.

It's nice to have confirmation of some of the other side deals as well. Big 12, as one poster pointed out, also has a deal with FSN that totals nearly $20 million on top of the $60 million annually they receive from ESPN.

For the Big 12 that's $6.67 million per team.

For the Pac-10, it is a total of $5.32 million per team.

For the ACC it is $6.21 million per team.

And now for the really BIG Boys:

For the Big Ten it is anywhere between $16.27 million - $19.45 million per team.

For the SEC it will be $17 million per team.

The Arms Race has been won - and the winners are clearly the Big Ten and the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

As you mentioned, I wonder if they have the year and money wrong. Also, how much is the CBS deal? If the numbers are right could the CBS deal possibly be the missing 50 million dollars? That aside, the job of the new commissioner should be clearly to put football first and give us a football deal worth about 30 to 40 million per year to help us compete. Basketball takes care of itself.

According to this article, the Big East CBS deal is worth $9 million per year.

http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200811280113

So, if this is a 5 or 6 year deal, then that would explain the "missing $50 million". The article also notes that the basketball portion of the ESPN deal is worth $23 million per year, which means that if ESPN has committed to basketball for 7 years, then $161 million of the overall $200 million ESPN contract is for basketball. That means there's a remaining amount of $39 million of the ESPN contract that's allocated for football, which averages out to $6.5 million per year for football if that portion of the contract lasts for 6 years. (These are of course all based on putting together numbers that come from different sources, so they have to be taken with a grain of salt.)

The issue of a larger TV contract for football is likely easier said than done (as with many things).

(03-24-2009 04:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]According to this article, the Big East CBS deal is worth $9 million per year.

http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200811280113

So, if this is a 5 or 6 year deal, then that would explain the "missing $50 million". The article also notes that the basketball portion of the ESPN deal is worth $23 million per year, which means that if ESPN has committed to basketball for 7 years, then $161 million of the overall $200 million ESPN contract is for basketball. That means there's a remaining amount of $39 million of the ESPN contract that's allocated for football, which averages out to $6.5 million per year for football if that portion of the contract lasts for 6 years. (These are of course all based on putting together numbers that come from different sources, so they have to be taken with a grain of salt.)

The issue of a larger TV contract for football is likely easier said than done (as with many things).

This is why I believe the numbers in this article might be a mistake. Prior to expansion, the Big East football monies were $15 million a year. When the league lost Miami, VT, and BC, the monies were renegotiated downward to $8 million a year before ESPN even knew what they had in Louisville, South Florida, and Cincinnati.

Anyway, I've been looking for the article I thought I had bookmarked that talked about the football TV monies being back up to close to where it was prior to Miami leaving and I found it.

http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200812190086

"However, with a new conference telecast contract in force, the league is getting $13 million annually, up from $8 million. The eight Big East football schools decided to put the new money into the TV pool that is shared equally, and not enrich the appearance fees.

Thanks to the new ESPN deal, WVU will end up with a football TV increase overall."

So $13 million times 6 = $78 million + $161 million for bb, brings the ESPN total contract to $239 million.

The CBS deal is separate, although I still think the $9 million a year for this is probably a tad too high.

The grand total would be $45 million, but due to the nature of the contract 8 teams are sharing $13 million while 16 teams are sharing $32 million.

This brings the BE football total to a relatively paltry $3.625 million per team.

But as stated in a different thread, the circumstances under which this contract were negotiated were extreme. And it was completed prior to the 2006 football season which saw the league place two games into the Top 4 highest ever rated Thursday night games.

I hope by the time the next TV contract is negotiated, the next wave of Pat Whites, Brian Brohms, Ray Rices, Steve Slatons, Matt Grothes, etc. are playing at their peaks and getting some national attention.

Cheers,
Neil