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I've been a quiet observer this basketball season, but now I want to put my five cents into the ante and speak about Mike Davis as a coach, not as a man.

After three complete regular seasons as a coach, and after three conference tournaments, and one NIT tournament, this is what I see:

POSITIVES
1. We win most of the games we are supposed to win, and lose very few to the cupcakes. That's a refreshing change.
2. We've won 20 plus games in two consecutive seasons. That's solid.
3. We won 22 games this season with six scholarshippped players. That's very impressive on-the-court coaching, considering our depth issues, and our lack of post players.
4. Davis held the team together after the December debacle with players leaving or failing. I was impressed by his ability to not lose the team, which was obviously helped by having mostly seniors on the team, many of them fifth-year seniors.
5. We have won a number of close games and OT games.
6. We beat a mediocre but well regarded Kentucky team last year on the road, a mediocre but still dangerousArizona team at their place this year, a big NIT road game at VCU last year, and we gave Memphis the scare of their life last season at Bartow. So we've played well in a few big games.
7. We had a good game plan for beating Tulsa yesterday by doubling Jordan and driving at him to draw fouls. We simply could not execute our offense, or find our perimeter shooters in the second half.

NEGATIVES
1. We are about to complete our third consecutive season with no NCAA bid, in a basketball conference that is mediocre by everyone's standards.

2. This was the season where UAB should have been a Sweet Sixteen or Final Eight team, considering the core of talented senior guards and senior leadership on the team. We are not even going to the NCAAs.

3. Davs is simply not able to RETAIN players....which is essential to consistently winning and going deep in a tournament. Just look at the names who chose to leave or who had to leave: Huffman, Sarikoplolus, Berrios, Roderick, Basset, Sharpe.

Something is wrong with our retention, when we say goodbye to Huffman, Sarikopolous, Roderick and Basset without any of them playing more than a year. To be fair, Sharpe was a different matter due to the NBA.

My guestimate from afar is that there may be the perception that Davis plays favorites on the team (Vaden, for instance), and some guys can't deal with that. Do not quote me on that. I'm analyzing from a distance, so I may very well be wrong.

4. Davis is not able to keep players academically eligible, even his own son. Berrios, Davis, Mayfield, Sharpe.....maybe Roderick. That's a ridiculous amount of ineligible players on one team. There have also been multiple team discipline issues off the court.

5. If you take Indianna out of the picture (and it's fair to do that after three years here), Mike Davis is simply not a good recruiter of college basketball players - especially for a school like UAB. By that I mean players who come out of high school and can stay in school and out of trouble for at least 4 years, and can also contribute significantly on the court. He may be gifted at relationally connecting with high-quality athletes (which is important), but he has shown absolutely no ability to go into high schools and bring young men to UAB who will be successful basketball players. In fact, to bring in a high-talent player (say an 8 or 9 on a 10 point scale) who doesn't make it even a year, blocks a scholarship for a good-talent player (say a 7 on the 10 point scale) who might have stayed and developed into a high level player.

EXAMPLE: We had zero freshmen scholarship players play a full season on this year's team (Roderick left mid-season), and only A.J. on last year's team. That's one freshman scholarship player to remain with the team over two seasons. That's unbelievable. Nor have his JUCO's done particularly well at staying with the team, referring to Berrios this year and Huffman who left the team after one year. Mainly he has survived off transfers (Vaden, Toney) and off the players left from the Mike Anderson era (Delaney, Kinnard, Crawford). No college team on the planet will thrive long-term under that model of recruiting.

6. Davis is particularly not able to recruit and retain big men. Sharpe lasted half a season. Huffman left after one year. Sarikopolus transferred to Ohio State. Mayfield sits on the bench, not even wanting to be here but too ineligible to even transfer out. Just imagine how different this season would have gone with any of those players avaialble, much less all of them.

7. We won NONE of our biggest games this year (sorry, Arizona is not good enough to fall into our top 5 most important games)..Oklahoma, Boston College, Butler, Memphis (twice), Tulsa (twice). If we had won one of those key games, we would be a solid bubble team. Had we won two, we'd be in. We consistently proved that we simply did not have the depth to finish big games against tournament-calliber teams. That's not the player's fault. That's a coaching and program management problem. It's a systemic problem, that shows no signs of improving.

8. Davis, as the head coach, has left the cupboard B-A-R-E next year with regard to returning players. Crawford is our best returning post player, and AJ is our only returning guard. We have no experienced scorers on the team, depending on how Millsaps works out. A core of AJ, Moore, Crawford, and Millsap scares no one. Those all seem like good guys and decent players, but not one of those players is someone to build a team around. Not one is a Delaney, or a Kinnard, or a Vaden, or a Squeaky, or ....you get the point. Most of them would not make the roster at Auburn right now. We essentially have a low-level Sunbelt team returning, with only ONE scholarshipped post player - Crawford - and no post players signed at this time. That's a consistent, disturbing trend for Mike Davis as head coach.

Davis put all of his UAB eggs in the DeMarcus Cousins basket, and we'll all get to chew on that omelet next season.

9. Mike is not moving the program forward at the present time. He had a two year window of moderate success driven by the presence of Vaden and Delaney and Kinnard (and to a lesser degree Toney), and that window has slammed shut. There is no DeMarcus Cousins coming to save the season next year...nor is it liklely based on the recruting of the past 3 years that there will there be other players of the caliber who can make an immediate impact in their first season here. I would not be surprised to see 15 or less wins next season, depending on the schedule. I predict fan misery, but I would be happy to be wrong. I would not be shocked to see our most cupcake schedule ever, in an attempt to mask the systemic problems we have with getting and keeping quality student-athletes.

10. As an analyst, I see no successful path forward for Davis at UAB. He has shown no ability to recruit and retain high school players who will be successful here, and with the exception of the one-and-done Huffman, none of his JUCO's have been successful. His success route has been transfers and remaining players from Anderson - and he has only one transfer sitting out this year (Millsap). Thus, that pipeline has run dry. He has apparently burned some bridges with the administration over the Cousins debacle. He has promised the moon in recruiting and has delivered a handful of sand so far. He has shown persisent program management errors and problems.

I'm not casting one shred of doubt on his character as a man or a father or a husband or a friend. I'm only speaking to his coaching performance.

SUMMARY
I do not have the least hint of excitement about Davis returning. I say that as a logical, patient, passionate, long-term UAB basketball fan who first attended this university in 1983.

So I hope he leaves for what seem to be "greener pastures" for him, and I hope he finds another job this week, so that we can begin our search as soon as possible for a new coach. If not, then I hope the administration will make the hard choice to let him go.
(03-14-2009 03:27 PM)ranger1386 Wrote: [ -> ]I've been a quiet observer this basketball season, but now I want to put my five cents into the ante and speak about Mike Davis as a coach, not as a man.

After three complete regular seasons as a coach, and after three conference tournaments, and one NIT tournament, this is what I see:

POSITIVES
1. We win most of the games we are supposed to win, and lose very few to the cupcakes. That's a refreshing change.
2. We've won 20 plus games in two consecutive seasons. That's solid.
3. We won 22 games this season with six scholarshippped players. That's very impressive on-the-court coaching, considering our depth issues, and our lack of post players.
4. Davis held the team together after the December debacle with players leaving or failing. I was impressed by his ability to not lose the team, which was obviously helped by having mostly seniors on the team, many of them fifth-year seniors.
5. We have won a number of close games and OT games.
6. We beat a mediocre but well regarded Kentucky team last year on the road, a mediocre but still dangerousArizona team at their place this year, a big NIT road game at VCU last year, and we gave Memphis the scare of their life last season at Bartow. So we've played well in a few big games.
7. We had a good game plan for beating Tulsa yesterday by doubling Jordan and driving at him to draw fouls. We simply could not execute our offense, or find our perimeter shooters in the second half.

NEGATIVES
1. We are about to complete our third consecutive season with no NCAA bid, in a basketball conference that is mediocre by everyone's standards.

2. This was the season where UAB should have been a Sweet Sixteen or Final Eight team, considering the core of talented senior guards and senior leadership on the team. We are not even going to the NCAAs.

3. Davs is simply not able to RETAIN players....which is essential to consistently winning and going deep in a tournament. Just look at the names who chose to leave or who had to leave: Huffman, Sarikoplolus, Berrios, Roderick, Basset, Sharpe.

Something is wrong with our retention, when we say goodbye to Huffman, Sarikopolous, Roderick and Basset without any of them playing more than a year. To be fair, Sharpe was a different matter due to the NBA.

My guestimate from afar is that there may be the perception that Davis plays favorites on the team (Vaden, for instance), and some guys can't deal with that. Do not quote me on that. I'm analyzing from a distance, so I may very well be wrong.

4. Davis is not able to keep players academically eligible, even his own son. Berrios, Davis, Mayfield, Sharpe.....maybe Roderick. That's a ridiculous amount of ineligible players on one team. There have also been multiple team discipline issues off the court.

5. If you take Indianna out of the picture (and it's fair to do that after three years here), Mike Davis is simply not a good recruiter of college basketball players - especially for a school like UAB. By that I mean players who come out of high school and can stay in school and out of trouble for at least 4 years, and can also contribute significantly on the court. He may be gifted at relationally connecting with high-quality athletes (which is important), but he has shown absolutely no ability to go into high schools and bring young men to UAB who will be successful basketball players. In fact, to bring in a high-talent player (say an 8 or 9 on a 10 point scale) who doesn't make it even a year, blocks a scholarship for a good-talent player (say a 7 on the 10 point scale) who might have stayed and developed into a high level player.

EXAMPLE: We had zero freshmen scholarship players play a full season on this year's team (Roderick left mid-season), and only A.J. on last year's team. That's one freshman scholarship player to remain with the team over two seasons. That's unbelievable. Nor have his JUCO's done particularly well at staying with the team, referring to Berrios this year and Huffman who left the team after one year. Mainly he has survived off transfers (Vaden, Toney) and off the players left from the Mike Anderson era (Delaney, Kinnard, Crawford). No college team on the planet will thrive long-term under that model of recruiting.

6. Davis is particularly not able to recruit and retain big men. Sharpe lasted half a season. Huffman left after one year. Sarikopolus transferred to Ohio State. Mayfield sits on the bench, not even wanting to be here but too ineligible to even transfer out. Just imagine how different this season would have gone with any of those players avaialble, much less all of them.

7. We won NONE of our biggest games this year (sorry, Arizona is not good enough to fall into our top 5 most important games)..Oklahoma, Boston College, Butler, Memphis (twice), Tulsa (twice). If we had won one of those key games, we would be a solid bubble team. Had we won two, we'd be in. We consistently proved that we simply did not have the depth to finish big games against tournament-calliber teams. That's not the player's fault. That's a coaching and program management problem. It's a systemic problem, that shows no signs of improving.

8. Davis, as the head coach, has left the cupboard B-A-R-E next year with regard to returning players. Crawford is our best returning post player, and AJ is our only returning guard. We have no experienced scorers on the team, depending on how Millsaps works out. A core of AJ, Moore, Crawford, and Millsap scares no one. Those all seem like good guys and decent players, but not one of those players is someone to build a team around. Not one is a Delaney, or a Kinnard, or a Vaden, or a Squeaky, or ....you get the point. Most of them would not make the roster at Auburn right now. We essentially have a low-level Sunbelt team returning, with only ONE scholarshipped post player - Crawford - and no post players signed at this time. That's a consistent, disturbing trend for Mike Davis as head coach.

Davis put all of his UAB eggs in the DeMarcus Cousins basket, and we'll all get to chew on that omelet next season.

9. Mike is not moving the program forward at the present time. He had a two year window of moderate success driven by the presence of Vaden and Delaney and Kinnard (and to a lesser degree Toney), and that window has slammed shut. There is no DeMarcus Cousins coming to save the season next year...nor is it liklely based on the recruting of the past 3 years that there will there be other players of the caliber who can make an immediate impact in their first season here. I would not be surprised to see 15 or less wins next season, depending on the schedule. I predict fan misery, but I would be happy to be wrong. I would not be shocked to see our most cupcake schedule ever, in an attempt to mask the systemic problems we have with getting and keeping quality student-athletes.

10. As an analyst, I see no successful path forward for Davis at UAB. He has shown no ability to recruit and retain high school players who will be successful here, and with the exception of the one-and-done Huffman, none of his JUCO's have been successful. His success route has been transfers and remaining players from Anderson - and he has only one transfer sitting out this year (Millsap). Thus, that pipeline has run dry. He has apparently burned some bridges with the administration over the Cousins debacle. He has promised the moon in recruiting and has delivered a handful of sand so far. He has shown persisent program management errors and problems.

I'm not casting one shred of doubt on his character as a man or a father or a husband or a friend. I'm only speaking to his coaching performance.

SUMMARY
I do not have the least hint of excitement about Davis returning. I say that as a logical, patient, passionate, long-term UAB basketball fan who first attended this university in 1983.

So I hope he leaves for what seem to be "greener pastures" for him, and I hope he finds another job this week, so that we can begin our search as soon as possible for a new coach. If not, then I hope the administration will make the hard choice to let him go.

You said it all.
:uberbow:
My educator wife says that we don't need to be like the rest of these foolish universities and waste good money that has more vital uses by buying out coaching contracts. I can't disagree with her that it's just obscene to pay coaches not to coach. Get real.

CMD needs to fulfill his contract, as does UAB. Then we can make a change if warranted.

Really, isn't there virtue in not acting like the Gumps when it comes to the coaching carou$el?
Buying him out is also honoring his contract.

The thing is, though, that I'm much more disappointed with Davis over what happened in December than what happened yesterday.

That's where we claim the moral high ground over our $EC whore neighbors.

At least to me.
It has never been about losing games to me.
(03-14-2009 05:56 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Buying him out is also honoring his contract.

The thing is, though, that I'm much more disappointed with Davis over what happened in December than what happened yesterday.

That's where we claim the moral high ground over our $EC whore neighbors.

At least to me.


+1

The losses can be directly be contributed to his managing the program instead of coaching the team. While I know many have railed about his coaching I must admit it is not horrible, just average to slighhtly above average all though I wonder how many of the good decisions are actually made by Marsh. The problem is off the court with how he manages a program. After year three to have only one scholarship player that you recruited as a Freshman with the program is unimaginable. We don't even need to go into the off the court stuff.

Can he turn it around? Yes. Will he? Who the hell knows? When the season is over we will know what kind of person he is FOR SURE. He can take the easy way out and jump ship or he can man up, eat some humble pie and get his butt to work getting us a respectable team of blue color guys who will bust their tail and attend class.

I do not want any Cousins, Bassetts, T-Rods, Mayfields, Ellisses, Ollies, etc......

Give me the PDIIIs, Mo Finleys, Squeaky Johnsons, Sidney Balls, Carter Longs, Gabe Kennedys, Stanley Jacksons, and Marques Lewisis and we will get our respect back and win some Championships.
Wow. The recruiting tidbit about the 1 freshman in 3 years is pretty damning, even for someone like me that wants to give cmd the benefit of the doubt.

I want players that play hard and represent the university well. If they fall in love with UAB, that is gravy.
It may be old school, but I still think that hard work can overcome a lot of shortcomings.
(03-14-2009 06:48 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]It has never been about losing games to me.

I totally agree. We've won a respectable number of ball games, but we've not won anything else significant (like a tournament, or a game against a top 20 opponent, or a spot in the Big Dance).

Nor are we showing any potential to change those trends in the next 2 years.
(03-14-2009 07:30 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2009 05:56 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Buying him out is also honoring his contract.

The thing is, though, that I'm much more disappointed with Davis over what happened in December than what happened yesterday.

That's where we claim the moral high ground over our $EC whore neighbors.

At least to me.


+1

The losses can be directly be contributed to his managing the program instead of coaching the team. While I know many have railed about his coaching I must admit it is not horrible, just average to slighhtly above average all though I wonder how many of the good decisions are actually made by Marsh. The problem is off the court with how he manages a program. After year three to have only one scholarship player that you recruited as a Freshman with the program is unimaginable. We don't even need to go into the off the court stuff.

Can he turn it around? Yes. Will he? Who the hell knows? When the season is over we will know what kind of person he is FOR SURE. He can take the easy way out and jump ship or he can man up, eat some humble pie and get his butt to work getting us a respectable team of blue color guys who will bust their tail and attend class.

I do not want any Cousins, Bassetts, T-Rods, Mayfields, Ellisses, Ollies, etc......

Give me the PDIIIs, Mo Finleys, Squeaky Johnsons, Sidney Balls, Carter Longs, Gabe Kennedys, Stanley Jacksons, and Marques Lewisis and we will get our respect back and win some Championships.

Throw in a Broom, Ogg, Reid for good measure also... LOL
(03-14-2009 09:47 PM)dragonbreath Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2009 07:30 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2009 05:56 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Buying him out is also honoring his contract.

The thing is, though, that I'm much more disappointed with Davis over what happened in December than what happened yesterday.

That's where we claim the moral high ground over our $EC whore neighbors.

At least to me.




+1

The losses can be directly be contributed to his managing the program instead of coaching the team. While I know many have railed about his coaching I must admit it is not horrible, just average to slighhtly above average all though I wonder how many of the good decisions are actually made by Marsh. The problem is off the court with how he manages a program. After year three to have only one scholarship player that you recruited as a Freshman with the program is unimaginable. We don't even need to go into the off the court stuff.

Can he turn it around? Yes. Will he? Who the hell knows? When the season is over we will know what kind of person he is FOR SURE. He can take the easy way out and jump ship or he can man up, eat some humble pie and get his butt to work getting us a respectable team of blue color guys who will bust their tail and attend class.

I do not want any Cousins, Bassetts, T-Rods, Mayfields, Ellisses, Ollies, etc......

Give me the PDIIIs, Mo Finleys, Squeaky Johnsons, Sidney Balls, Carter Longs, Gabe Kennedys, Stanley Jacksons, and Marques Lewisis and we will get our respect back and win some Championships.

Throw in a Broom, Ogg, Reid for good measure also... LOL

Drop Reid. If I remember correctly, he had to miss some games during his senior year due to grades.
(03-14-2009 09:47 PM)dragonbreath Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2009 07:30 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2009 05:56 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Buying him out is also honoring his contract.

The thing is, though, that I'm much more disappointed with Davis over what happened in December than what happened yesterday.

That's where we claim the moral high ground over our $EC whore neighbors.

At least to me.


+1

The losses can be directly be contributed to his managing the program instead of coaching the team. While I know many have railed about his coaching I must admit it is not horrible, just average to slighhtly above average all though I wonder how many of the good decisions are actually made by Marsh. The problem is off the court with how he manages a program. After year three to have only one scholarship player that you recruited as a Freshman with the program is unimaginable. We don't even need to go into the off the court stuff.

Can he turn it around? Yes. Will he? Who the hell knows? When the season is over we will know what kind of person he is FOR SURE. He can take the easy way out and jump ship or he can man up, eat some humble pie and get his butt to work getting us a respectable team of blue color guys who will bust their tail and attend class.

I do not want any Cousins, Bassetts, T-Rods, Mayfields, Ellisses, Ollies, etc......

Give me the PDIIIs, Mo Finleys, Squeaky Johnsons, Sidney Balls, Carter Longs, Gabe Kennedys, Stanley Jacksons, and Marques Lewisis and we will get our respect back and win some Championships.

Throw in a Broom, Ogg, Reid for good measure also... LOL

Reid Adair? 03-lmfao
My reply.....Horrible.

He needs to grow up. He needs to quit writhing in agony every call that doesn't go his way. He needs to quit his theatrics and coach with class, integrity, character, and intensity. He needs to man up and accept blame when things go wrong, rather than pouting, skipping the post game, and taking the "I'll just take my toys and go home" attitude. He needs to quit blaming the refs, quit making statements like "We were only 3 or 4 possessions away in ten of our games". By that logic, we're undefeated, if we only outscore the teams that we lost to.

I think he needs to realize that there is more to being respected in coaching than showing up on game day with a perpetual scowl on his face and look for something to feel sorry for himself about. Quit deflecting the blame and work hard in all phases of coaching....recruiting good student-athletes, scouting, practice organization, game adjustments, and dealing with the media and fan base.

Maybe when some of these areas improve, the quality of coaching we're getting from him will improve...... but I'm not holding my breath.
I was always told that if I didn't have anything nice to say about someone, that I should shut the hell up.

I don't have anything nice to say about him at the moment, so I'm gonna shut the hell up.
Tell us how you really feel Joe.....
(03-15-2009 06:49 PM)BlazerJoe Wrote: [ -> ]I was always told that if I didn't have anything nice to say about someone, that I should shut the hell up.

I don't have anything nice to say about him at the moment, so I'm gonna shut the hell up.


Big+1 for a fellow Mobilian,
I'm pleased with the results on the court this year, given the players we have.
I can't express how much I've enjoyed PDIII, Lo, Howard, Toney, AJ and Vaden this year. Ok, I was a bit disappointed in Vaden this year.

I'm ashamed of the debacle in December. I'm disgusted that we didn't have room on this team for Robert Huffman.

I can only believe that next season is going to be a total disaster, with a starting line up that consists of Howard, Aj, Cameron and a couple of Kids from Chipola Junior College.
It's Reggie Huffman.

I'm also pleased with the performance of the team we were able to put on the floor, but disappointed because that same group was handicapped by the dereliction of duty by both teammates and coach.
If the man can't get us a win on Tuesday night then he should be relieved of his duties on Wednesday. One and done in the NIT when you were suppose to make a run in the NCAA is totally unacceptable!

The program is in shambles and the future under Davis looks grim.
Although we had a decent season and it's a different sport this feels a lot like Hackney's final season. We had a team full of seniors, expectations for a big year, and we fell woefully short. The football season was much uglier but our basketball season was tainted by mismanagement and lack of accountability throughout the program and athletic department.

The biggest shame is that the guys left standing on our team are all deserving of much, much more. All of them seem to be fine young men and have worked their tails off to be where they are.
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