Toyota in talks with Japanese government for loan. Hope that they didn't fly their corporate jets, hope their union is ready to get rid of the "job bank" because that HAS to be the reason. Wait, no it's a failed business model, that's the ticket.
Now don't we feel a LITTLE silly?
What? C'mon, you all had the blame gun out a couple of months ago, what happened?
They're vehicles are very popular in California. That's what matters.
The only thing good about California is the wine.
Fisherman's warf and the Golden Gate Bridge are nice.
You're probably the type that requires never-ending entertainment to fill out a day. Anything less than unqualified glee just isn't worth doing. Too much time spent in front of a Gameboy as a child, what?
Excess yanking the crank as a teenager?
How much is too much? I've never needed glasses!!
Just remember all that pulling doesn't make it any longer.
All that pulling? Two seconds?
lol
Japan seems to have no problem with government financing. Don't they call it Japan, Inc.? Yet it doesn't feel like the socialist model somehow.
That's because no matter what model they choose, they execute.
They have their screw-ups as a nation and as companies. Japan spent a decade in stagflation because they overextended their commercial loan industry on a real estate bubble.
They're hurting right now. All the Japanese companies I do business with are on 3-4 day weeks. They're really feeling the pinch and none too happpy about it.
I don't think I belong in this thread. :tmi:
(03-03-2009 10:36 PM)DesertBronco Wrote: [ -> ]What? C'mon, you all had the blame gun out a couple of months ago, what happened?
There is plenty of blame to go around. If you don't think that most Americans believe that the big three automakers have created their own problems, then perhaps DB you are too close to the problem. Their business model was built years ago and locked them into a situation where they can't be as nimble as their competition. But - all automakers are hurting right now.
Funny how the rich elitists in D.C. all seem to drive expensive imports, yet can't resist slamming our domestic auto industry. And Kalifornia, well........many sensible people are leaving that state in droves. I just hope they don't come to Colorado. Pretty soon, all that will be left there besides Arnold are the fruits and nuts (and millions of illegal immigrants). But yes, the Hollywood celebrity types do love to drive what they see as "green", cutting edge cars and Toy Yodas do seem pretty popular.
That's my point, why is Toyota needing a government loan, and they don't even have to pay for their employees healthcare or retirement? I thought it was all the big three problem?
Quote:then perhaps DB you are too close to the problem.
Or perhaps you armchair quarterbacks have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
(03-04-2009 10:59 PM)DesertBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Or perhaps you armchair quarterbacks have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
It wouldn't be the first time and probably not the last. We armchair QBs have no idea, as opposed to your armchair quarterbacking? Same difference, just a different perspective.
We all have opinions. We share them. Accept or reject them at your own whim. At least we are allowed to voice them so far.....
Not trying to pick a fight here, DB. Nobody's buying any cars right now. But, you'll agree, won't you, that comparable cars from, say, GM and Toyota came with different price tags due to cost structures in the two companies. I suspect that price diff made the decision of buying Toyota over GM easier for many people. Never did for me, though. I bought GM and have been happy with the car.
Quote:Same difference, just a different perspective.
Difference being I have twenty plus years Supply Chain Management experience and finanical background to understand the logistical challenges, slim margins and challenges that a manufacturing company faces more than your average bloke, what I'm hearing is tired old rhetoric being applied to extra ordinary times. To that note, Ford is paying down their debt with no government help, and making all the right moves, GM was late restructuring, Chrysler went through a period that would take many groups down, they've been bought and sold twice in the last decade.
There is no pat answer, I'm over people thinking it's "the unions fault" or "elimate job banks" and things will be fine, that's just riciculous and usually they're followed up by some jealous rant about how a neighbor had two new cars and a big screen working as an auto worker. Those old references don't apply this time, hardly when a company that has been the benchmark for the manufacturing world, Toyota, is requesting a loan themselves.