Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
(02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
(02-25-2009 09:52 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
I think the 5th starter was Rod Smith. Good player as well. He and Fowler might be a wash talent-wise.
Derrick Crayton was the 5th, I thought. At lease he was the 6th man. And he was cut from the same mold as Fowler, work-ethic wise. I still remember him putting in the winner against Mississippi St!
But yeah, the '96 team was ridiculously good. I actually wonder how they didn't do more that one and done in the NIT.
(02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
[b]Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- [/b]I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
Mike Smith wouldn't make a pimple on Muntrell Dobbins butt. You shouldn't even mention those two in the same breath.
Actually now I think it was Reggie Robinson! Don't fully remember...though I think that 5th spot changed often. Only Dixon, Dobbins, Fish, and Stephens were regular starters.
(02-25-2009 09:54 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:52 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
I think the 5th starter was Rod Smith. Good player as well. He and Fowler might be a wash talent-wise.
Rod Smith was the 5th starter.
[ I actually wonder how they didn't do more that one and done in the NIT.
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Two words: coaching.
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Derrick Crayton was the 5th, I thought. At lease he was the 6th man. And he was cut from the same mold as Fowler, work-ethic wise. I still remember him putting in the winner against Mississippi St!
Rod Smith was the 5th starter, or at least most of the time. I don't ever remember Derrick Crayton starting a game. Marcus Wesley probably played more than Derrick.
(02-25-2009 10:38 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:54 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:52 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
I think the 5th starter was Rod Smith. Good player as well. He and Fowler might be a wash talent-wise.
Rod Smith was the 5th starter.
Damn did we have some talent back then. Platt could sure recruit. You wonder what Platt or Newell could have done if they had the Stephens Center to recruit to. But
all Platt had was Barton. Newell did have 2 or 3 seasons where he was able to show recruits the Statehouse Convention Center. Regardless of its seating capacity that was a neat place to show recruits. Wally once explained how they'd house recruits at the old Excelsior (now Peabody) and then walk them down to the Statehouse Convention Center.
(02-25-2009 10:45 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 10:38 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:54 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:52 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
I think the 5th starter was Rod Smith. Good player as well. He and Fowler might be a wash talent-wise.
Rod Smith was the 5th starter.
Damn did we have some talent back then. Platt could sure recruit. You wonder what Platt or Newell could have done if they had the Stephens Center to recruit to. But all Platt had was Barton. Newell did have 2 or 3 seasons where he was able to show recruits the Statehouse Convention Center. Regardless of its seating capacity that was a neat place to show recruits. Wally once explained how they'd house recruits at the old Excelsior (now Peabody) and then walk them down to the Statehouse Convention Center.
Derrick Crayton's one and only moment of glory was the bucket at Mississippi State. I don't remember him playing much at all. It's starting to come back to me a little. Rod Smith was definitely the 5th starter and a very fine player in his own right- just somewhat overshadowed by the other talent on that team. I would say that Steve has been a miracle worker when you consider we might win about as many games as that team did.
(02-25-2009 10:43 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ][quote='eh9198' pid='4030971' dateline='1235619123']
Derrick Crayton was the 5th, I thought. At lease he was the 6th man. And he was cut from the same mold as Fowler, work-ethic wise. I still remember him putting in the winner against Mississippi St!
Rod Smith was the 5th starter, or at least most of the time. I don't ever remember Derrick Crayton starting a game. Marcus Wesley probably played more than Derrick.
Can't say I have any idea who Marcus Wesley is. I do seem to remember Crayton playing quite often for defensive reasons, however.
(02-25-2009 10:49 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 10:45 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 10:38 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:54 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 09:52 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
I think the 5th starter was Rod Smith. Good player as well. He and Fowler might be a wash talent-wise.
Rod Smith was the 5th starter.
Damn did we have some talent back then. Platt could sure recruit. You wonder what Platt or Newell could have done if they had the Stephens Center to recruit to. But all Platt had was Barton. Newell did have 2 or 3 seasons where he was able to show recruits the Statehouse Convention Center. Regardless of its seating capacity that was a neat place to show recruits. Wally once explained how they'd house recruits at the old Excelsior (now Peabody) and then walk them down to the Statehouse Convention Center.
Derrick Crayton's one and only moment of glory was the bucket at Mississippi State. I don't remember him playing much at all. It's starting to come back to me a little. Rod Smith was definitely the 5th starter and a very fine player in his own right- just somewhat overshadowed by the other talent on that team. I would say that Steve has been a miracle worker when you consider we might win about as many games as that team did.
Not taking anything away from Steve, for he does deserve some of the credit for this season, but, I believe the league is much weaker overall than it was then. Especially the west this year.
(02-25-2009 10:51 PM)eh9198 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 10:43 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ][quote='eh9198' pid='4030971' dateline='1235619123']
Derrick Crayton was the 5th, I thought. At lease he was the 6th man. And he was cut from the same mold as Fowler, work-ethic wise. I still remember him putting in the winner against Mississippi St!
Rod Smith was the 5th starter, or at least most of the time. I don't ever remember Derrick Crayton starting a game. Marcus Wesley probably played more than Derrick.
Can't say I have any idea who Marcus Wesley is. I do seem to remember Crayton playing quite often for defensive reasons, however.
If you saw the Trojans much that season, I sure don't know how a person could remember Derrick Crayton and can't even remember Marcus Wesley. I promise you Marcus accumulated many more minutes of PT than did Derrick. Marcus played very well off the bench for us.
(02-25-2009 10:37 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
[b]Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- [/b]I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
Mike Smith wouldn't make a pimple on Muntrell Dobbins butt. You shouldn't even mention those two in the same breath.
O.K. I'll create a little controversy. Fish was a great player. But defensively he probably wasn't any better than BP. But he also scored and probably saw the floor better, and especially in view of his career in the pros, he'd win that battle hands down.
Malik vs. III. On this one, I'm going to go against the grain. We're remembering Malik as a Junior and Senior, and he couldn't play defense at all. Fine shooter. But I'm predicting III will be every bit as good as Malik offensively, and contrary to popular opinion, will be a much better defensive player before he's through.
Shane vs. Joe Stephens. I'm not sure that Shane isn't a better player, notwithstanding Joe's few years in the pros. This would be a close call.
John Fowler vs. Rod Smith. Fish was the heart and soul of that team. Fowler is the heart and soul of this one. I'd have to give Fowler the edge, although Rod was a nice player.
And Muntrelle Dobbins vs. Mike Smith. No contest. Money was a dominating force in the paint. Not a great shooter, but he was really tough to play against. However, Mike really has better offensive skills. I would still have to go with Money. But here's why I think our current this team is better. Depth. When Money fouled out, we were dead. That's why we lost at Vanderbilt in the NIT. We had nobody behind him. With Mike, Wayne, and Bails, I think we would win the battle of the 5, just due to depth.
Coaching. Wimp was a great coach. If we could set screens for III the way he managed to set them for Malik, and allow III to take as many shots as Malik used to take, it would be fun to watch. Just my opinion. There's really no way to compare.
(02-25-2009 11:30 PM)Dr. J. Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 10:37 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
[b]Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- [/b]I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
Mike Smith wouldn't make a pimple on Muntrell Dobbins butt. You shouldn't even mention those two in the same breath.
O.K. I'll create a little controversy. Fish was a great player. But defensively he probably wasn't any better than BP. But he also scored and probably saw the floor better, and especially in view of his career in the pros, he'd win that battle hands down.
Malik vs. III. On this one, I'm going to go against the grain. We're remembering Malik as a Junior and Senior, and he couldn't play defense at all. Fine shooter. But I'm predicting III will be every bit as good as Malik offensively, and contrary to popular opinion, will be a much better defensive player before he's through.
Shane vs. Joe Stephens. I'm not sure that Shane isn't a better player, notwithstanding Joe's few years in the pros. This would be a close call.
John Fowler vs. Rod Smith. Fish was the heart and soul of that team. Fowler is the heart and soul of this one. I'd have to give Fowler the edge, although Rod was a nice player.
And Muntrelle Dobbins vs. Mike Smith. No contest. Money was a dominating force in the paint. Not a great shooter, but he was really tough to play against. However, Mike really has better offensive skills. I would still have to go with Money. But here's why I think our current this team is better. Depth. When Money fouled out, we were dead. That's why we lost at Vanderbilt in the NIT. We had nobody behind him. With Mike, Wayne, and Bails, I think we would win the battle of the 5, just due to depth.
Coaching. Wimp was a great coach. If we could set screens for III the way he managed to set them for Malik, and allow III to take as many shots as Malik used to take, it would be fun to watch. Just my opinion. There's really no way to compare.
At first I couldn't recall the 5th starter, but figured out it was Rod Smith. Maybe there's a tendency to overvalue things from our past, but I really think that NIT team was better at every position
. This teams toughness might keep them in the game for awhile, but I think that 95-96 team would win 9 out 10 if they played a series. That team had two NBA players (Fish and Stephens) and the first pick in the CBA draft (Dobbins), and Malik who's been in NBA camps and is still playing well overseas. It's really a shame that team didn't get to play in the NCAA tournament.
(02-25-2009 11:30 PM)Dr. J. Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 10:37 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:36 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2009 06:24 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote: [ -> ]Can an old-timer compare Wimp's NIT team with this one for me? Which was better?
This year's team couldn't hold the jock strap of Wimp's team:
Derek Fisher or Patterson- you got to be kidding me
Malik Dixon or Mouzy- ditto
Joe Stephens vs. Shane- I love Shane, but I kind of doubt he'll play 2 or 3 years in the NBA like Joe did. Have to give it to Joe, but this one is very close.
[b]Muntrelle Dobbins or Mike Smith (or Burton)- [/b]I'd pick Dobbins here with very little hesitation.
I can't remember the 5th starter on Wimp's team. I got to assume John Fowler could give him a run for his money. Still, when you compare them man to man, there is really no comparison between the teams.
Mike Smith wouldn't make a pimple on Muntrell Dobbins butt. You shouldn't even mention those two in the same breath.
O.K. I'll create a little controversy. Fish was a great player. But defensively he probably wasn't any better than BP. But he also scored and probably saw the floor better, and especially in view of his career in the pros, he'd win that battle hands down.
Malik vs. III. On this one, I'm going to go against the grain. We're remembering Malik as a Junior and Senior, and he couldn't play defense at all. Fine shooter. But I'm predicting III will be every bit as good as Malik offensively, and contrary to popular opinion, will be a much better defensive player before he's through.
Shane vs. Joe Stephens. I'm not sure that Shane isn't a better player, notwithstanding Joe's few years in the pros. This would be a close call.
John Fowler vs. Rod Smith. Fish was the heart and soul of that team. Fowler is the heart and soul of this one. I'd have to give Fowler the edge, although Rod was a nice player.
And Muntrelle Dobbins vs. Mike Smith. No contest. Money was a dominating force in the paint. Not a great shooter, but he was really tough to play against. However, Mike really has better offensive skills. I would still have to go with Money. But here's why I think our current this team is better. Depth. When Money fouled out, we were dead. That's why we lost at Vanderbilt in the NIT. We had nobody behind him. With Mike, Wayne, and Bails, I think we would win the battle of the 5, just due to depth.
Coaching. Wimp was a great coach. If we could set screens for III the way he managed to set them for Malik, and allow III to take as many shots as Malik used to take, it would be fun to watch. Just my opinion. There's really no way to compare.
I love III and really hope they set him up better to play to his strengths, because I think he can be really good, but in my humble opinion III is not in Malik Dixon's league. To me, Malik might have been the 2nd best player on that team behind Fish (although I think Dobbins was awfully great). Isn't Malik the 2nd all time points scorer behind James Scott? And he might have been #1 if the focus hadn't been on Derrick Hall early in his career.
I honsetly think that team was the greatest collection of talent we've ever had at UALR.
Oh, and I think Dobbins was very good offensively. If I'm not mistaken he's one of the career leaders in shooting %.