So right now it looks like Big East will get seven teams in with Georgetown and Cincy needing to win to get into the tourney.
Current RPI standings
Seedings are MY opinion, RPI is rom warren nolan
#2 Pitt 20-2 right now a #1 seed
#4 UConn 22-1 #1 seed
#12 Villanova 19-4 #3-4 seed
#13 Louisville 17-4 #3-4 seed
#16 West Virginia 16-7 #5 seed
#19 Marquetee 20-3 #5 seed
#21 Syracuse 17-6 #6-7 seed
having to work at it
#36 Georgetown 13-9
#51 Cincy 14-8
#66 Providence 14-9
The rest would have to win tourney to get in
(02-08-2009 10:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]So right now it looks like Big East will get seven teams in with Georgetown and Cincy needing to win to get into the tourney.
Current RPI standings
Seedings are MY opinion, RPI is rom warren nolan
#2 Pitt 20-2 right now a #1 seed
#4 UConn 22-1 #1 seed
#12 Villanova 19-4 #3-4 seed
#13 Louisville 17-4 #3-4 seed
#16 West Virginia 16-7 #5 seed
#19 Marquetee 20-3 #5 seed
#21 Syracuse 17-6 #6-7 seed
having to work at it
#36 Georgetown 13-9
#51 Cincy 14-8
#66 Providence 14-9
The rest would have to win tourney to get in
From your analysis, the FB schools get 5 schools in while the Catholics get 2. At this point the FB are stronger. How does this influence a future split?
Well thats a one year analysis. The question is, coul that be a trend.
Right now you would have to say out of the football schools Rutgers and USF are at bottom and will take time to move up if ever.
The nonfootball side you have: DePaul, St Johns, Seton hall and Providence. The last two have a shot but the question is can they be competitive on a yearly basis. If the answer is no then thats half their side that will NOT be contributing to the league with NCAA bids.
you have to figure with Memphis, NCAA berths would be 6 out of 9 plus Libertry bowl.
Woman,s BB would be 5 out of 9 instead of 7 of 16.
(02-08-2009 10:46 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]Well thats a one year analysis. The question is, coul that be a trend.
Right now you would have to say out of the football schools Rutgers and USF are at bottom and will take time to move up if ever.
The nonfootball side you have: DePaul, St Johns, Seton hall and Providence. The last two have a shot but the question is can they be competitive on a yearly basis. If the answer is no then thats half their side that will NOT be contributing to the league with NCAA bids.
A lot of perception is based on a one year analysis. Your analysis is right that there are only 2 bottom FB schools, and 4 BB schools. Now that Cincy is back, and Huggs has WVU being a consistent threat, picking up Memphis definitely looks good. Add additional FB power, and the league is stabilzed.
Also it the BB schools left, and added Xavier, and Dayton they would be better off getting 4-5 schools in out of 10.
Since the New Big East was formed:
2005-06 8 bids, 4 FB schools, 4nonfootball
2006-07 6 bids, 2 FB schools, 4 nonfootball
2007-08 8 bids, 4 FB, 4 nonFB
2008-09? right now 7 bids, 5 FB, 2 nonFB
In four years: Assuming the current 7 get in
Louisville 3 bids
West Virginia 3 bids
UConn 3 bids
Pitt 4 bids
Syracuse 2 bids
Cincy, USF and Rutgers NO bids with Cincy with outside shot at one this year.
Villanova: 4 bids
Marquette : 4 bids
Georgetown 3 bids
Notre Dame: 2 bids
Seton Hall: 1 bid
Providence, StJohns and DePaul= No bids.
(02-08-2009 11:04 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]Since the New Big East was formed:
2005-06 8 bids, 4 FB schools, 4nonfootball
2006-07 6 bids, 2 FB schools, 4 nonfootball
2007-08 8 bids, 4 FB, 4 nonFB
2008-09? right now 7 bids, 5 FB, 2 nonFB
In four years: Assuming the current 7 get in
Louisville 3 bids
West Virginia 3 bids
UConn 3 bids
Pitt 4 bids
Syracuse 2 bids
Cincy, USF and Rutgers NO bids with Cincy with outside shot at one this year.
Villanova: 4 bids
Marquette : 4 bids
Georgetown 3 bids
Notre Dame: 2 bids
Seton Hall: 1 bid
Providence, StJohns and DePaul= No bids.
I'd take the group of Cincy, USF, and Rutgers over Providence, St. Johns, and Depaul.
not only bids determine BB money, it's how far you advance.
FB schools have advanced father than BB on avg.
Also before realinement FB schools had more bids & advanced farther.
BE is collecting that money now, & flat out giving up to BB schools
WVU has gone to the Sweet Sixteen or better 3 of the last 4 years, and the one miss was the NIT Championship team...
Bottom line is that the FB schools no longer need the BB schools for television market share or BB prowess. They would be better off as an 8-team league, than a 16 team hybrid. If the BCS label means anything, they would be able to get 4-5 teams out of 8 every year. Let the BB schools struggle in their own league to get 3 schools in.
With a smaller membership, it would probably allow better consideration for the NCAA tourney for both sides...
(02-08-2009 11:17 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]not only bids determine BB money, it's how far you advance.
FB schools have advanced father than BB on avg.
Also before realinement FB schools had more bids & advanced farther.
BE is collecting that money now, & flat out giving up to BB schools
While I like the trend of the football schools, the league has earned a total of 51 NCAA units over the past three years, 26-25 in favor of the bb schools.
However, all but 1 of the bb units have been earned by G'Town, Nova, ND, and Marquette. Which is one reason why some see value in a partial hybrid, assuming ND, G'Town, and Nova were even willing.
And when you factor in that a case can be made that Cincinnati was screwed out of a bid in 2005-06 and that Syracuse was screwed out of a bid in 2006-07, the tide would be in the fb schools by at least 1.
Cheers,
Neil
(02-08-2009 03:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line is that the FB schools no longer need the BB schools for television market share or BB prowess. They would be better off as an 8-team league, than a 16 team hybrid. If the BCS label means anything, they would be able to get 4-5 teams out of 8 every year. Let the BB schools struggle in their own league to get 3 schools in.
If there were a true even split, neither side is staying at 8. The bb side will likely add Xavier and Dayton, while the football side will add one of Memphis, UCF, and ECU. Though I prefer Memphis, the smart money would say UCF.
I don't think a 10-team Catholic League will struggle to get 3 teams in the dance for the first 5-10 years of its existence. But I also don't think a 9-team all-sports league with UCF will have many years when it is getting 5 teams in either. With Memphis as #9, yes, with UCF as #9, no. UCF will weigh down the league in bb as badly as the additions of BC, VT, and Miami have hurt the ACC.
Cheers,
Neil
(02-08-2009 10:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]Seedings are MY opinion, RPI is rom warren nolan
#13 Louisville 17-4 #3-4 seed
Are these current projections, or predictions on how the year will play out? If they are current projections, I can't see the 3 or 4 seed range for UofL right now. I don't think I'm being a homer, but from everything I have seen, it'd be a #2 or 3 for UofL right now, with a majority of projectors sliding them in at a 2. I don't think there is a legit website in the country that has them at a #4.
Could even Georgetown be in trouble in not making the tournament?
Hoyas might even need to reach Big East Semi's in NYC to get guaranteed invite.
Hoyas has lost 6 out of their last 7 games....and 8 out of their last 11.
Plus, Hoyas' next 4 games are far from easy:
at Cuse
at USF (much tougher obviously at home)
MARQUETTE
LOUISVILLE
Georgetown might have to go 3-1 in those 4 games to get back in the hunt.
(02-08-2009 04:56 PM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]Could even Georgetown be in trouble in not making the tournament?
Hoyas might even need to reach Big East Semi's in NYC to get guaranteed invite.
Hoyas has lost 6 out of their last 7 games....and 8 out of their last 11.
Plus, Hoyas' next 4 games are far from easy:
at Cuse
at USF (much tougher obviously at home)
MARQUETTE
LOUISVILLE
Georgetown might have to go 3-1 in those 4 games to get back in the hunt.
Georgetown is definitely in trouble, but they can still pull it out.
@SU - probable loss
@USF - tough road game, but will be favored to win
vs. Marquette - toss up
vs. Louisville - probable loss
@Nova - probable loss
@St. John's - tough road game, but will be favored to win
vs. DePaul - win
The key for the Hoyas will be not to lose the games they are favored in, USF, St. John's, and DePaul and to win at least one of SU, Nova, or Marquette.
That will get them to 9-9 in conference. With their SOS schedule and with Top 25 wins over UConn, Memphis, and Syracuse already that will be enough regardless of what they do in the BET.
In a weird sort of way, Cincinnati's hopes may rest with the Hoyas turning it around enough so that their two wins over the Hoyas will mean something come March.
Cheers,
Neil
(02-08-2009 05:30 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]Georgetown is definitely in trouble, but they can still pull it out.
@SU - probable loss
@USF - tough road game, but will be favored to win
vs. Marquette - toss up
vs. Louisville - probable loss
@Nova - probable loss
@St. John's - tough road game, but will be favored to win
vs. DePaul - win
The key for the Hoyas will be not to lose the games they are favored in, USF, St. John's, and DePaul and to win at least one of SU, Nova, or Marquette.
That will get them to 9-9 in conference. With their SOS schedule and with Top 25 wins over UConn, Memphis, and Syracuse already that will be enough regardless of what they do in the BET.
In a weird sort of way, Cincinnati's hopes may rest with the Hoyas turning it around enough so that their two wins over the Hoyas will mean something come March.
Cheers,
Neil
Omni, aren't the Hoyas 4-7 now? I agree with your assessment that Georgetown can still make it. However, I think they will need to win those 3 games they will be favored in, plus win 2 of the 4 vs. UofL, Syracuse, Marquette, and Villanova...just to get to 9-9.
(02-08-2009 05:46 PM)CollegeCard Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2009 05:30 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ]Georgetown is definitely in trouble, but they can still pull it out.
@SU - probable loss
@USF - tough road game, but will be favored to win
vs. Marquette - toss up
vs. Louisville - probable loss
@Nova - probable loss
@St. John's - tough road game, but will be favored to win
vs. DePaul - win
The key for the Hoyas will be not to lose the games they are favored in, USF, St. John's, and DePaul and to win at least one of SU, Nova, or Marquette.
That will get them to 9-9 in conference. With their SOS schedule and with Top 25 wins over UConn, Memphis, and Syracuse already that will be enough regardless of what they do in the BET.
In a weird sort of way, Cincinnati's hopes may rest with the Hoyas turning it around enough so that their two wins over the Hoyas will mean something come March.
Cheers,
Neil
Omni, aren't the Hoyas 4-7 now? I agree with your assessment that Georgetown can still make it. However, I think they will need to win those 3 games they will be favored in, plus win 2 of the 4 vs. UofL, Syracuse, Marquette, and Villanova...just to get to 9-9.
Yes, you are right. Meant to say split the four games of UofL, SU, Marquette and Nova.
Cheers,
Neil
(02-08-2009 03:29 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2009 03:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line is that the FB schools no longer need the BB schools for television market share or BB prowess. They would be better off as an 8-team league, than a 16 team hybrid. If the BCS label means anything, they would be able to get 4-5 teams out of 8 every year. Let the BB schools struggle in their own league to get 3 schools in.
If there were a true even split, neither side is staying at 8. The bb side will likely add Xavier and Dayton, while the football side will add one of Memphis, UCF, and ECU. Though I prefer Memphis, the smart money would say UCF.
I don't think a 10-team Catholic League will struggle to get 3 teams in the dance for the first 5-10 years of its existence. But I also don't think a 9-team all-sports league with UCF will have many years when it is getting 5 teams in either. With Memphis as #9, yes, with UCF as #9, no. UCF will weigh down the league in bb as badly as the additions of BC, VT, and Miami have hurt the ACC.
Cheers,
Neil
Neil, I agree with you about neither staying at 8. I was just trying not to complicate the senario by doing hypotheticals of which teams would add value. I think Xavier and Dayton added to the BB side in a split is a no brainer. A 10 team football side (Memphis and UCF) would be looking at 5-7 spots. VT and Miami have not weighed down the league at all, and BC is a top team in the ACC.
(02-08-2009 06:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2009 03:29 PM)omnicarrier Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2009 03:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line is that the FB schools no longer need the BB schools for television market share or BB prowess. They would be better off as an 8-team league, than a 16 team hybrid. If the BCS label means anything, they would be able to get 4-5 teams out of 8 every year. Let the BB schools struggle in their own league to get 3 schools in.
If there were a true even split, neither side is staying at 8. The bb side will likely add Xavier and Dayton, while the football side will add one of Memphis, UCF, and ECU. Though I prefer Memphis, the smart money would say UCF.
I don't think a 10-team Catholic League will struggle to get 3 teams in the dance for the first 5-10 years of its existence. But I also don't think a 9-team all-sports league with UCF will have many years when it is getting 5 teams in either. With Memphis as #9, yes, with UCF as #9, no. UCF will weigh down the league in bb as badly as the additions of BC, VT, and Miami have hurt the ACC.
Cheers,
Neil
Neil, I agree with you about neither staying at 8. I was just trying not to complicate the senario by doing hypotheticals of which teams would add value. I think Xavier and Dayton added to the BB side in a split is a no brainer. A 10 team football side (Memphis and UCF) would be looking at 5-7 spots. VT and Miami have not weighed down the league at all, and BC is a top team in the ACC.
You mean the fact that the ACC has only gotten 4 bids two out of the past three years despite ranking 3, 1, and 1 in terms of conference RPI is not at least partly attributable to VT, Miami, and to a lesser extent BC?
Think again.
Cheers,
Neil