Going just by the bowl games played in 2008, here is how I would rank the conferences.
1. Pac 10
2. SEC
3. Big East
4. C-USA
5. Big 12
6. ACC
7. MWC
8. Independants
9. Sun Belt
10. WAC
11. Big 10
12. MAC
C-USA #4. Is that supposed to be funny? Big 10 #11? Really?
Come on. You're dealing with a very small sample size and looking at record only. Those rankings are ridiculous.
I agree, but the Big 10 is 0-3, so far. So how high can I rank them?
If Iowa keeps on beating the crap out of South Carolina, the Big Ten will have to move up. Also, the very best Big Ten teams have yet to play.
C-USA's only loss, so far, was to a Big East team
Iowa did beat the crap out of USC. Even before that, you still have to put the Big Ten above every non-BCS conference except the Mountain West. What exactly are you trying to rank? If it's overall strength of conferences, a very small sample of bowl games doesn't mean jack yet. Wait until the bowl season is over and evaluate ALL out of conference competition.
With you're rankings above, you're #1 conference is 2-6 this year against the #7 conference.
(01-01-2009 02:53 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ]Iowa did beat the crap out of USC. Even before that, you still have to put the Big Ten above every non-BCS conference except the Mountain West. What exactly are you trying to rank? If it's overall strength of conferences, a very small sample of bowl games doesn't mean jack yet. Wait until the bowl season is over and evaluate ALL out of conference competition.
With you're rankings above, you're #1 conference is 2-6 this year against the #7 conference.
Bowl games do mean jack, as the teams involved are supposed to represent the best of the conference. That's why they are often referred to as "representatives". When Ball State beat Indiana, that did not show much toward the MAC being a better conference than the Big 10, as it was the best of the MAC vs the worst of the Big 10.
After today's first three games, I have to update the ranking as follows:
1. Pac 10
2. Big 12
3. Big East
4. SEC
5. ACC
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. MWC
9. Independants
10. Sun Belt
11. WAC
12. MAC
Sad to see the Sunbelt ranked higher than MAC. But given that they are 3-0 against MAC this season, I have to agree. I hope this year is an aberration and the MAC rebounds.
Here is how I'd rank the conferences...
1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10
4. Big East
5. Big 10
6. ACC
7. C-USA
8. Mountain West
9. Sun Belt
10. WAC
11. MAC
ill play....
1) Big 12
2) SEC
3) pAC 10
4) bIG 10
5) bIG eAST
6) ACC
7) MWC
8) WAC
9) CUSA
10) SB
11) us..... :-(
(01-01-2009 05:26 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2009 02:53 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ]Iowa did beat the crap out of USC. Even before that, you still have to put the Big Ten above every non-BCS conference except the Mountain West. What exactly are you trying to rank? If it's overall strength of conferences, a very small sample of bowl games doesn't mean jack yet. Wait until the bowl season is over and evaluate ALL out of conference competition.
With you're rankings above, you're #1 conference is 2-6 this year against the #7 conference.
Bowl games do mean jack, as the teams involved are supposed to represent the best of the conference. That's why they are often referred to as "representatives". When Ball State beat Indiana, that did not show much toward the MAC being a better conference than the Big 10, as it was the best of the MAC vs the worst of the Big 10.
After today's first three games, I have to update the ranking as follows:
1. Pac 10
2. Big 12
3. Big East
4. SEC
5. ACC
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. MWC
9. Independants
10. Sun Belt
11. WAC
12. MAC
The problem with having the Pac 10 #1 is they went 5-0. That means they ONLY had 5 teams, half their conference, even eligible for a bowl game. However, the Pac 10 is the only conference to play a 9 game conference schedule. So every team loses one creampuff OOC team to beat up on. Put the creampuff back in and Arizona State and Stanford would likely be in bowl games and would also have likely gotten destroyed by whoever they played.
Also, people want to rag on the ACC but 10 of the 12 teams went to bowl games. That's pretty impressive. There might not be any elite teams in the ACC, but there's a lot of pretty good teams.
You need to look at the entire picture.
(01-01-2009 11:17 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ]Going just by the bowl games played in 2008, here is how I would rank the conferences.
1. Pac 10
2. SEC
3. Big East
4. C-USA
5. Big 12
6. ACC
7. MWC
8. Independants
9. Sun Belt
10. WAC
11. Big 10
12. MAC
Thanks for the laugh. That might be the funniest post of all time and there's been a lot of them on this board.
1. Big 12
2. SEC
3. Pac-10
4. ACC
5. Big Ten
6. MWC
7. Big East
8. C-USA
9. WAC
10. MAC
11. Sun Belt
12. Independents
There's your real list.
The SEC and the Big 12 are in a league of their own. And I happen to think the SEC is better than the Big 12. Which is really, really saying something.
Wow -the top 5 Big 10 teams would be undefeated in all the lesser conferences.
The MAC SUCKS - amazingly we can't win it.
(01-01-2009 11:17 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ]Going just by the bowl games played in 2008, here is how I would rank the conferences.
1. Pac 10
2. SEC
3. Big East
4. C-USA
5. Big 12
6. ACC
7. MWC
8. Independants
9. Sun Belt
10. WAC
11. Big 10
I'll keep going:
13. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
14. NIU Intramural Football
15. Sigma Sigma Sigma Powderpuff Football League
16. League of Women Voters
17. My Fantasy Football League
DEAD LAST The MAC
(01-01-2009 09:54 PM)Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote: [ -> ]Here is how I'd rank the conferences...
1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10
4. Big East
5. Big 10
6. ACC
7. C-USA
8. Mountain West
9. Sun Belt
10. WAC
11. MAC
Your rankings are not much different from my own revised rankings, except that you give more credit to the SEC and less to the PAC 10. Too bad the PAC 10 does not have any bowl games vs the SEC.
(01-01-2009 10:26 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2009 05:26 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2009 02:53 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ]Iowa did beat the crap out of USC. Even before that, you still have to put the Big Ten above every non-BCS conference except the Mountain West. What exactly are you trying to rank? If it's overall strength of conferences, a very small sample of bowl games doesn't mean jack yet. Wait until the bowl season is over and evaluate ALL out of conference competition.
With you're rankings above, you're #1 conference is 2-6 this year against the #7 conference.
Bowl games do mean jack, as the teams involved are supposed to represent the best of the conference. That's why they are often referred to as "representatives". When Ball State beat Indiana, that did not show much toward the MAC being a better conference than the Big 10, as it was the best of the MAC vs the worst of the Big 10.
After today's first three games, I have to update the ranking as follows:
1. Pac 10
2. Big 12
3. Big East
4. SEC
5. ACC
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. MWC
9. Independants
10. Sun Belt
11. WAC
12. MAC
The problem with having the Pac 10 #1 is they went 5-0. That means they ONLY had 5 teams, half their conference, even eligible for a bowl game. However, the Pac 10 is the only conference to play a 9 game conference schedule. So every team loses one creampuff OOC team to beat up on. Put the creampuff back in and Arizona State and Stanford would likely be in bowl games and would also have likely gotten destroyed by whoever they played.
Also, people want to rag on the ACC but 10 of the 12 teams went to bowl games. That's pretty impressive. There might not be any elite teams in the ACC, but there's a lot of pretty good teams.
You need to look at the entire picture.
And the solution is to either get more bowl games for the Pac 10, or give them tougher opponents. It used to be that the MAC would only have one bowl team a year, then only two. The MAC teams would usually win their bowl games, and that lead to more MAC teams going to bowls. It is the Peter Principle of bowl games.
Bowl games are all about representing your school and your conference. That's why you do not see teams from the same conference going to bowl games.
After the Orange Bowl I have to revise my ranking as follows.
1. Pac 10
2. Big 12
3. SEC
4. Big East
5. ACC
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. MWC
9. Independants
10. Sun Belt
11. WAC
12. MAC
All three of today's games involve the SEC, so that should be interesting.
(01-02-2009 11:10 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ]And the solution is to either get more bowl games for the Pac 10, or give them tougher opponents. It used to be that the MAC would only have one bowl team a year, then only two. The MAC teams would usually win their bowl games, and that lead to more MAC teams going to bowls. It is the Peter Principle of bowl games.
Bowl games are all about representing your school and your conference. That's why you do not see teams from the same conference going to bowl games.
No other Pac 10 teams were bowl-eligible, so the issue niubrad brought up (lack of games) is valid in this case. Half of the Pac 10 was 5-7 or worse. They had more bowl tie-ins but couldn't fill them. Only having 5 eligible teams is an indictment of the depth in the conference.
(01-02-2009 07:10 PM)UIHuskie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2009 11:10 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ]And the solution is to either get more bowl games for the Pac 10, or give them tougher opponents. It used to be that the MAC would only have one bowl team a year, then only two. The MAC teams would usually win their bowl games, and that lead to more MAC teams going to bowls. It is the Peter Principle of bowl games.
Bowl games are all about representing your school and your conference. That's why you do not see teams from the same conference going to bowl games.
No other Pac 10 teams were bowl-eligible, so the issue niubrad brought up (lack of games) is valid in this case. Half of the Pac 10 was 5-7 or worse. They had more bowl tie-ins but couldn't fill them. Only having 5 eligible teams is an indictment of the depth in the conference.
Ding, ding, ding. UIHuskie, sometimes I think you're the only one with a brain on this board. I think I have a man crush on you. :sly:
Now if you would only get rid of that ugly avatar.
(01-02-2009 07:22 PM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ]Ding, ding, ding. UIHuskie, sometimes I think you're the only one with a brain on this board. I think I have a man crush on you. :sly:
Now if you would only get rid of that ugly avatar.
It's even uglier now that they shrunk all of them.
Going by just what the bowl games say,
Here is my latest version:
1. PAC-10
2. Big 12
3. SEC
4. Big East
5. ACC
6. MWC
7. Big 10
8 C-USA
9. Independants
10. Sun Belt
11. WAC
12. MAC
1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. PAC-10
4. Big 10
5. MWC
6. Big East
7. ACC
8 C-USA
9. WAC
10. MAC
11. Sun Belt
I don't consider the Independents to be a conference.