MAC 16th in rpi and 7th in sos
Miami 34 rpi 43 sos
Ohio 79 rpi 89 sos
Akron 87 rpi 73 sos
Buffalo 91 rpi 61 sos
BGSU 104 rpi 15 sos
Ball St 118 rpi 69 sos
Kent St 179 rpi 90 sos
CMU 241 rpi 221 sos
NIU 279 rpi 268 sos
WMU 292 rpi 265 sos
EMU 318 rpi 191 sos
Tol 320 rpi 272 sos
As a WMU fan, I apologize to the rest of the conference.
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:MAC 16th in rpi and 7th in sos
Miami 34 rpi 43 sos
Ohio 79 rpi 89 sos
Akron 87 rpi 73 sos
Buffalo 91 rpi 61 sos
BGSU 104 rpi 15 sos
Ball St 118 rpi 69 sos
Kent St 179 rpi 90 sos
CMU 241 rpi 221 sos
NIU 279 rpi 268 sos
WMU 292 rpi 265 sos
EMU 318 rpi 191 sos
Tol 320 rpi 272 sos
The MAC East looks like a decent confernece, but boy the MAC West hurting.
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:MAC 16th in rpi and 7th in sos
Tol 320 rpi 272 sos
I don't know where you got that number, but according to the sagarin ratings Toledo has a SOS at 32 not 272 and according to college rpi Toledo's sos is 102. I would stop going to whatever website you visit for numbers like that.
Who you play is more important than how you play with rpi. Tonite Ohio rpi improved to 61 and SOS 39......Xavier kicked the crap out of Ohio for 40 minutes....but Xavier's numbers helps Ohio, Miami and Toledo's SOS and rpi.....Xavier will play UC, Duke and Butler their next three games so Xavier opponnets will continue gain from schedule enhanced rpi. Xavier is a legit top 10 team. Atleast Miami didn't get blowout which probably shows the gap between them and Ohio this year. Ohio 5 games in 8 nites was a bit tired for this one.
thegeneral Wrote:http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_272_Men.html says Toledo's SOS rank is 229
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Something is seriously wrong. The MAC team with the best SOS is BG (11) and looking at their schedule, the OOC teams look weaker to me than Toledo's (SOS=229). Even factoring that BG plays MAC East teams twice, there's no accounting for the disparity in our respective SOS numbers.
1. BG hasn't played any MAC teams yet, so that is not a factor yet. They only factor in teams you have already played.
2. A lot of big conference teams have weak SOS now that will improve dramatically once they get a steady diet of their better conference foes. SOS right now doesn't mean a hill of beans. Look at it in February. RPI is a tool designed to have "some" meaning at the end of the season. What that meaning is may be debatable, but nobody involved with these kinds of statistical measures would ever claim the numbers mean anything at all on Dec. 11.
I am not sure whether painful or embarrassing is the correct word to explain CMU’s season thus far.
axeme Wrote:1. BG hasn't played any MAC teams yet, so that is not a factor yet. They only factor in teams you have already played.
...which only makes me question the validity of the SOS calculation. Look at BG's schedule and then look at UT's and try to tell me with a straight face that their schedule is 197 teams different than ours. Eleven verses 229?? Give me a break.
RocketJeff Wrote:axeme Wrote:1. BG hasn't played any MAC teams yet, so that is not a factor yet. They only factor in teams you have already played.
...which only makes me question the validity of the SOS calculation. Look at BG's schedule and then look at UT's and try to tell me with a straight face that their schedule is 197 teams different than ours. Eleven verses 229?? Give me a break.
As I said before, these numbers have very little validity at this point in the season. They are not designed to, only to have some comparitive validity at the end of the season. They can be very quirky now. Whoever is trying to claim they have validity now doesn't know what they are talking about.
BG has played games against RPI #'s 270, 30, 25, 179, & 123, (avg. 125) (the D-II games don't count for RPI and SOS purposes) and UT has played 64, 5, 251, 140, 185, 288, 136, & 325 (avg. 153). But then you have to look at those teams' opponents to get a sense of what the true SOS is because your opponents' opponents are a key factor. That would explain why the calculations are what they are now, but remember, THEY DON'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING IN DECEMBER. There just haven't been enough games played yet for them to be statistically significant. Anyone using RPI/SOS as a bragging point is an idiot at this point in the season. (And they may well be idiots all season long, for that matter!)
BG's SOS won't stay anywhere near where it is now as the season plays out.
Like I said before, ignore the computers for another 6-8 weeks. The RPI/SOS of those schools who play in conferences with top 25 teams will drop and drop all season and the teams they played OOC will get a resulting benefit.
axeme, so are you also saying we shouldn't be paying attention to the standings after the first game?
axeme Wrote:RocketJeff Wrote:axeme Wrote:1. BG hasn't played any MAC teams yet, so that is not a factor yet. They only factor in teams you have already played.
...which only makes me question the validity of the SOS calculation. Look at BG's schedule and then look at UT's and try to tell me with a straight face that their schedule is 197 teams different than ours. Eleven verses 229?? Give me a break.
As I said before, these numbers have very little validity at this point in the season. They are not designed to, only to have some comparitive validity at the end of the season. They can be very quirky now. Whoever is trying to claim they have validity now doesn't know what they are talking about.
BG has played games against RPI #'s 270, 30, 25, 179, & 123, (avg. 125) (the D-II games don't count for RPI and SOS purposes) and UT has played 64, 5, 251, 140, 185, 288, 136, & 325 (avg. 153). But then you have to look at those teams' opponents to get a sense of what the true SOS is because your opponents' opponents are a key factor. That would explain why the calculations are what they are now, but remember, THEY DON'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING IN DECEMBER. There just haven't been enough games played yet for them to be statistically significant. Anyone using RPI/SOS as a bragging point is an idiot at this point in the season. (And they may well be idiots all season long, for that matter!)
BG's SOS won't stay anywhere near where it is now as the season plays out.
Like I said before, ignore the computers for another 6-8 weeks. The RPI/SOS of those schools who play in conferences with top 25 teams will drop and drop all season and the teams they played OOC will get a resulting benefit.
That's awfully confusing. I need a simplified version.
DrTorch Wrote:axeme Wrote:RocketJeff Wrote:axeme Wrote:1. BG hasn't played any MAC teams yet, so that is not a factor yet. They only factor in teams you have already played.
...which only makes me question the validity of the SOS calculation. Look at BG's schedule and then look at UT's and try to tell me with a straight face that their schedule is 197 teams different than ours. Eleven verses 229?? Give me a break.
As I said before, these numbers have very little validity at this point in the season. They are not designed to, only to have some comparitive validity at the end of the season. They can be very quirky now. Whoever is trying to claim they have validity now doesn't know what they are talking about.
BG has played games against RPI #'s 270, 30, 25, 179, & 123, (avg. 125) (the D-II games don't count for RPI and SOS purposes) and UT has played 64, 5, 251, 140, 185, 288, 136, & 325 (avg. 153). But then you have to look at those teams' opponents to get a sense of what the true SOS is because your opponents' opponents are a key factor. That would explain why the calculations are what they are now, but remember, THEY DON'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING IN DECEMBER. There just haven't been enough games played yet for them to be statistically significant. Anyone using RPI/SOS as a bragging point is an idiot at this point in the season. (And they may well be idiots all season long, for that matter!)
BG's SOS won't stay anywhere near where it is now as the season plays out.
Like I said before, ignore the computers for another 6-8 weeks. The RPI/SOS of those schools who play in conferences with top 25 teams will drop and drop all season and the teams they played OOC will get a resulting benefit.
That's awfully confusing. I need a simplified version.
No problem. Just listen to and believe anything Dick Vitale says, unless he mentions RPI or the 140 teams who belong in the field of 65.