EMU has tried two passing coaches (Rasnick and Genyk) and one conventional offensive coach (Woodruff).
Perhaps the Eagles should consider an option-type guy, be the "contrarian" in the MAC. It worked for Jim Grobe at Ohio U. in the 90s, and look what Paul Johnson did in his first year at Georgia Tech.
Running the Spread and throwing the ball predominantly hasn't won games or put fans in Rynearson. Perhaps an "out of the box" approach is needed.
Disagree for two reasons:
1) EMU's current players are already run the spread. Switching to a completely different style will cause at least one or two seasons of big time struggles offensively.
2) Offense has not been the big problem under Rasnick, Woody, or Genyk. Defense has been terrible. If EMU had even an average defense the past few seasons thay would have won at least half their games. Hard to win when your offense has to score 40 or more.
1. Georgia Tech's kids were recruited for a Pro-style offense (previous coach was Chan Gailey, ex-Dallas Cowboys header). They are 9-3 so far running Jonson's Flexbone. In the last month they have beaten Florida State, Miami (FL), and yesterday for the first time in eight years, Georgia (in Athens).
2. Don't you think a ground-munching offense like Flexbone (or other option-style) would help EMU's defense instead of a three-and out passing offense that runs only 30 seconds off the game clock?
I guess you aren't ready to think "outside the box." Good luck with another FBS assistant-position coach trying to imitate Michigan or some such.
George Mans, anyone?
MajorHoople Wrote:1. Georgia Tech's kids were recruited for a Pro-style offense (previous coach was Chan Gailey, ex-Dallas Cowboys header). They are 9-3 so far running Jonson's Flexbone. In the last month they have beaten Florida State, Miami (FL), and yesterday for the first time in eight years, Georgia (in Athens).
2. Don't you think a ground-munching offense like Flexbone (or other option-style) would help EMU's defense instead of a three-and out passing offense that runs only 30 seconds off the game clock?
I guess you aren't ready to think "outside the box." Good luck with another FBS assistant-position coach trying to imitate Michigan or some such.
George Mans, anyone?
OU runs the option and they have done okay. But it isn't an offense that excites kids. Gatech won with it this year, but what happens next? Schools had issues with it this year because they haven't seen it in so long(only air force and navy run the option as their primary offense) Watch what happens next year.
Plus, Miami, FSU, and George were all down this year. The Dawgs in particular underachieved.
The answer to defend to the option is well known. A SPREAD option like the one WVU or UF runs is far superior. It chews up the clock while offering clear throwing lanes.Did you see what UF did to FSU and Miami? In todays CFB landscape you HAVE to be able to throw the ball.
Of you are going to run the option it should be the spread option. That offense makes it easier to score and attack todays defense than the traditional option which can be shutdown rather easily by teams with strong,l athletic front 7's.
What happens for Tech next year? They'll run the offense BETTER because their kids will have more experience in it plus Johnson will have two of his own recruiting classes!
FSU (8-4), Miami (7-5), Georgia (9-3) down? Okay...but GT still won (and actually both FSU and Miami have won MORE games this year than they did in 2007)! You think those teams don't have "strong, athletic fronts"? How would Eastern like a 9-3 year with wins over "down" MAC perennial powers?
That Spread Option sure looked good for Michigan this fall. Excited the heck out of kids in Ann Arbor I'll bet. Some of you guys watch-listen to ESPN WAY too much.
1992: Army (Bob Sutton and Flexbone) 57, EMU 17
2003: Navy (Jonson and Flexbone) 39, EMU 7
2006: Navy (ditto) 49, EMU 21
Jim Grobe was 3-2 vs. Eastern running Air Force Flexbone at that noted powerhouse, Ohio U.
Don't let the facts get in your way when your mind is made up.
MajorHoople Wrote:What happens for Tech next year? They'll run the offense BETTER because their kids will have more experience in it plus Johnson will have two of his own recruiting classes!
FSU (8-4), Miami (7-5), Georgia (9-3) down? Okay...but GT still won (and actually both FSU and Miami have won MORE games this year than they did in 2007)! You think those teams don't have "strong, athletic fronts"? How would Eastern like a 9-3 year with wins over "down" MAC perennial powers?
That Spread Option sure looked good for Michigan this fall. Excited the heck out of kids in Ann Arbor I'll bet. Some of you guys watch-listen to ESPN WAY too much.
1992: Army (Bob Sutton and Flexbone) 57, EMU 17
2003: Navy (Jonson and Flexbone) 39, EMU 7
2006: Navy (ditto) 49, EMU 21
Don't let the facts get in your way when your mind is made up.
Don't let facts get in your way of advancing your agenda. Michigan had brand new QB, RB, OL, and WRs all the whille learning a RADICALLY new offense. Your point there is wrong.
Second, who annually leads the nation in rushing? Navy AND West Virginia. The difference is that WVU does it against elite teams. WVU has beaten Georgia and Oklahoma in Sugar Bowls. Both of whom were better than any team Gatech has beaten.
If the option worked so well, why did Nebraska drop it? Maybe because teams can defend it easier now with athletic, physical fronts. The offense has gone by the wayside because teams now know how to answer. Will they shut it down entirely? No, but they an slow it way down.
And what happens when the option team falls beyond?The option by its nature is a time chewing offense. But when you fall beyond and particularly by alot, you need to score quickly. Against good defenses the option won't do that. Scoring is going up in CFB. You simply have to score quickly now days, particularly in the MAC.
Ohio has ran the options for years with middling success.They have frank solich as coach and while they have been to a bowl they have not become a power. The best teams in the MAC RUN THE SPREAD.
The jury is still out about Gatech, but you are citing a team lead by one of the best coach's in the country. EMU won't have the luxury of a paul johnson.
The offense EMU ran was/is extremely effective. It actually makes more sense to run it in the MAC than the option because it can put points up quickly. through the air and ground. Any football fan kmnows that they best offense is one that is balanced. The spread option can give you that if you do it correctly. Genyk was never able to establish a real strong running game ala WVU's.If he had EMU might have been able to control the clock better.
And citing wins over lame EMU teams does not make your point any better. Any offense can put up great numbers vs EMU's defenses. So what.
Your thinking is not out of the box, its antiquated.
Okay - good luck with your next incarnation of Cooper, Rasnick, Woodruff or Genyk.
MajorHoople Wrote:Okay - good luck with your next incarnation of Cooper, Rasnick, Woodruff or Genyk.
What makes you think a option guy would fair any better? Have you ever heard of logic and reason??
Apparently not, based in your posts.
Our QB just set one NCAA record and then broke it and set new ones. Why it didn't happen sooner this year is partially I believe Andy warms up slowly over the season, see his stats last year and he played through injuries, when healthy Andy is right up there in the MAC Qbs. It doesn't appear to me that the offense is broke so it doesn't need fixing. I could see Andy adding some options to the RB but that carries some injury risk to Andy who ran more in his earlier years and then got hurt more, now he's more patient in the pocket.
The defense this year really missed having Jones, Matthews, Young in my opinion, the pass rush wasn't there putting pressure on the QB leaving the secondary more exposed. The good news is at DB we'll have some experience coming back. LB will be a total mess.
i must admit, kyle mcmahon would look good running the option...
TimBuck2 Wrote:i must admit, kyle mcmahon would look good running the option...
WHAT !
Are you kidding ???
Your advancing a player that WONT sit with his team, who only shows up for treatments and leaves, who does not hang around to learn the offense better, one who is only looking out for his stats...Give me a break. He is one player that I believe that is only worried about HIMSELF. HE is not a team player. He could not have led the team like that Schmitt kid did, he does not have the same field presence... they are not even close. I would not be surprised to even see him gone next year "looking " for the next better thing for him.
emuph Wrote:TimBuck2 Wrote:i must admit, kyle mcmahon would look good running the option...
WHAT !
Are you kidding ???
Your advancing a player that WONT sit with his team, who only shows up for treatments and leaves, who does not hang around to learn the offense better, one who is only looking out for his stats...Give me a break. He is one player that I believe that is only worried about HIMSELF. HE is not a team player. He could not have led the team like that Schmitt kid did, he does not have the same field presence... they are not even close. I would not be surprised to even see him gone next year "looking " for the next better thing for him.
EMUPH, McMahon playing ahead of Schmitt is not going to happen. Ive been hearing the talk also of him leaving the program, as you said he doesnt even sit in on film or meetings since he got hurt nor is he even on the sideline with his teammates during games. He gets the treatment then leaves (the school is obligated to get him the treatment) Some of the plays when he ran the ball were designed for him but most werent suppossed to be runs, I find it odd that he felt the need to scramble and run, when he was behind the same OL as Schmitt....last 2 games Schmitt threw for an even 1000 yds.
What would account for McMahon's attitude change? This problem had not surfaced before.
If McMahon left the program I'm assuming he would not be allowed to transfer to another Div I program one of the new coach's first priorities recruiting is to look for a QB in my opinion.
Schmitt
Jason Williams
Alex Bierwalter
J. Brown purportly a prop 48 so eligibility may be a problem.
There may room for one or two quality QB recruits.
huroncowboy Wrote:If McMahon left the program I'm assuming he would not be allowed to transfer to another Div I program one of the new coach's first priorities recruiting is to look for a QB in my opinion.
Schmitt
Jason Williams
Alex Bierwalter
J. Brown purportly a prop 48 so eligibility may be a problem.
There may room for one or two quality QB recruits.
Cowboy, McMahon could transfer to another D1 school but he`d have to sit out a year. As I find out, Brown was not a prop, he`s been back with the team for a bit now, but I hear dont expect him to be the mix for any time at QB...it should be pointed out that McMahon has not said or announced that he is not coming back, its only speculation at this time.
huroncowboy Wrote:What would account for McMahon's attitude change? This problem had not surfaced before.
One could only wonder, maybe the injury was the tip of the iceberg, he hasnt been around much since the injury...isnt the QB at GVSU a senior?....just a thought. He`d have 2 years left if he transfered there.