Clemon coach has gotten this Gatorade shower.
N.C. State is beating Miami.
Only UVa lost (to Va Tech).
The EagleBank Bowl is now filled.
The competition for 6 - 6 teams is getting tough.
at-large standings, 6 bowls open
1- Michigan MAC school
2- ND/BE
3-WAC
4- WAC
5-NCST
6-Sun Belt
7-NoILL
8-SJST
9-Sun Belt
10-BGSU
11-La-Laff-MTST winner
Will not get anwser on Haw Bowl for #7
untill next weeks Ariz-ArizSt game
ArkSt, Louv & Haw still can leap frog
NoILL for at-large berths
Oregon win helped, closed Emearld
templefootballfan Wrote:at-large standings, 5 bowls open
1- Michigan MAC school
2- ND/BE
3-NCST
4-NoIll
5-SJST
6-Nev
7-BGSU
I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Why do you keep putting "NoIll" as an abbreviation for us? That's like putting SoCal for USC. Just curious. At any rate, the ACC will now send 10 teams bowling.
There's also several Sun Belt teams that will be in the 6-6 pool, at most 2 of which will take the vacated SEC spots. I'm certainly not holding my breath.
NIU had the chance to lock up a spot and couldn't get it done. If they get left out, its there own fault. I would certainly watch the game if they made it, but its looking very doubtful. However, I do not think a 6-6 Sun Belt team should automatically get the nod over a 6-6 NIU. Those backup deals are looming large this season.
It's ridiculous to think the MAC has been superior to the WAC and CUSA yet those conferences will send more teams than us. Even the SBC might send as many teams bowling as us. Rick Chryst needs to do a better job in securing the MAC bowl games. Three bowls for 13 teams is far too few. It's time we make a new bowl in the midwest (Chicago or Indianapolis).
You left out the FAU/FIU winner. That has now turned out to be FAU. I think they might be left at home though. The Sun Belt has the New Orleans Bowl and signed back-up deals with the St. Pete, Papa John's, and Independence bowls. CUSA filled its last two bowl slots today so St. Pete is off the table. The SEC and Big 12 will not be able to fill the other two bowls, however, so a Sun Belt team will be in both Birmingham and Shreveport.
Still open at that point would probably be one side of the Motor City Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, and Texas Bowl. The extra MAC team has to go to one of those games, the ACC would be shopping NCSU, and Notre Dame would probably be sitting out there as well. I think that combination would get you NCSU in Detroit, Notre Dame in Hawaii, and the extra MAC team in Houston.
If Louisiana-Lafayette beats Middle Tennessee and Troy beats Arkansas State ... ULL will go to the Independence while Troy goes to New Orleans and ASU or FAU goes to the Papa John's.
If Louisiana-Lafayette beats Middle Tennessee and Arkansas State beats Troy ... ULL will go to the Independence while ASU goes to New Orleans and Troy or FAU goes to the Papa John's.
If Middle Tennessee beats Louisiana-Lafayette and Troy beats Arkansas State ... ASU will go to the Independence while Troy goes to New Orleans and MTSU or FAU goes to the Papa John's.
If Middle Tennessee beats Louisiana-Lafayette and Arkansas State beats Troy ... ASU will go to New Orleans while MTSU or FAU goes to the Independence and Troy goes to the Papa John's.
Florida Atlantic has the smallest fanbase of any of the 6-6 Sun Belt teams so that will probably work against them but who knows what the bowls will be thinking next week. The WAC has four teams with seven wins and Hawaii likely to join them later tonight so they could be looking at Hawaii in Hawaii ... some combination of Boise State, Fresno State, and Nevada in Boise, San Diego, and Albuquerque ... and Louisiana Tech in Shreveport.
Another pitfall is that an Arizona State upset over Arizona next week puts them in the Poinsettia and bumps a WAC team to, most likely, the Motor City Bowl. You would probably see the extra MAC team still go to Houston in that case while the Hawaii Bowl gets to choose between NCSU and Notre Dame but the Irish might just decline a bowl bid outright by that point anyway.
Updating where I think the openings are and who will get them.
Motor City-Big Ten(Pittsburgh)
Independence-Big XII (Western Michigan)
Houston-BigXII (NC State*)
Independence-SEC (Louisiana Tech)
Papa John's SEC (Florida Atlantic*)
Poinsettia-PAC10 (Boise State)
Hawaii-PAC10 (Northern Ill*)
*6 win team
Oregon is up big on OSU, so its looking like the Big Ten will be sending 2 teams to the BCS. Boise is likely headed to the Poinsettia to play TCU, that is where the conference has a backup agreement in place.
Alternatively, lets say Boise State accepts a bid to play Ball State in the Motor City Bowl or the Independence Bowl. With 5 WAC teams at 7 wins or better the conference could still cover its Poinsettia commitment. I don't think something like that is likely on behalf of Boise State though with TCU ahead of Ball State in the BCS standings.
I like Pitt in the MCB because they are the odd man out in the Big East bowl table with WVU, Rutgers, USF having better seats at the table. Pitt is going to prefer the Motor City and ranked Cardinal team over going to the International unless Rutgers loses and Pitt is then forced to fill one of the Big East's bowls. Ideally we want to see Rutgers win keeping Louisville from bowl eligible and Pitt win so they can go into the MCB with a top 25 ranking.
My numbers say N.Illinois has a good shot at a 5th bowl. I predict the Hawaii Bowl will be the last bowl filled out there. NC State is going to take a bowl on the mainland first before Hawaii.
Even in the event that NC State decides to select Hawaii, that will open the Houston bowl up for NIU.
Out of this group:
NIU (6-6)
BGSU (6-6)
SJSU (6-6)
Ark St (6-6)
MTSU (6-6)
I like NIU's chances in the Houston. There are a few games we need to watch for that can upset the MAC's chances.
Rutgers (6-5) vs. Louisville (5-6)
Arizona (6-5) vs. Arizona St (5-6)
Troy (7-4) vs. Arkansas St (6-5)
If there is 1 upset in any of these 3 games you can kiss a bowl for Northern Illinois goodbye.
Pitt is not the odd team out of anything. The Big East bowls will fill as follows as long as Rutgers beats Louisville ...
BCS - Cincinnati
Sun - West Virginia or Pitt (Gator will take a Big 12 team)
Meineke - Rutgers or West Virginia
Papa John's - Pitt or Rutgers
St. Petersburg - USF
International - UConn
Wishing for Pitt in the Motor City Bowl will not make it happen. Notre Dame is not taking a Big East Bowl this year.
Krocker Krapp Wrote:Pitt is not the odd team out of anything. The Big East bowls will fill as follows as long as Rutgers beats Louisville ...
BCS - Cincinnati
Sun - West Virginia or Pitt (Gator will take a Big 12 team)
Meineke - Rutgers or West Virginia
Papa John's - Pitt or Rutgers
St. Petersburg - USF
International - UConn
Wishing for Pitt in the Motor City Bowl will not make it happen. Notre Dame is not taking a Big East Bowl this year.
I'll take your word for it that ND will not be playing in a Big East bowl if the conference has 6 schools with 7 wins.
Adjusting my picks accordingly:
Motor City-Big Ten (NC State*)
Independence-Big XII (Western Michigan)
Houston-BigXII (Northern Ill.*)
Independence-SEC (Louisiana Tech)
Papa John's SEC (Florida Atlantic*)
Poinsettia-PAC10 (Boise State)
Hawaii-PAC10 (Bowling Green*)
*6 win team
Notre Dame if shut out of the Sun Bowl could very well decline a bowl invitation. This would be good for the MAC's chances of securing a 6th bowl game.
Pitt will be stuck playing a contracted Big East bowl regardless of the outcome of the Rutgers-Louisville game. Its in the best interest of the MAC that Rutgers takes care of buisness to prevent Louisville from gaining eligibility.
Krocker Krapp Wrote:Still open at that point would probably be one side of the Motor City Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, and Texas Bowl. The extra MAC team has to go to one of those games, the ACC would be shopping NCSU, and Notre Dame would probably be sitting out there as well. I think that combination would get you NCSU in Detroit, Notre Dame in Hawaii, and the extra MAC team in Houston.
One side of MCB is open if Ohio State goes to the BCS. I assume that is a good bet after Ore. State's loss tonight.
Will ND go bowling or simply say no???
ANY chance of ND to MCB????
Any chance of Boise State vs. Ball State at MCB????
emu steve Wrote:Krocker Krapp Wrote:Still open at that point would probably be one side of the Motor City Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, and Texas Bowl. The extra MAC team has to go to one of those games, the ACC would be shopping NCSU, and Notre Dame would probably be sitting out there as well. I think that combination would get you NCSU in Detroit, Notre Dame in Hawaii, and the extra MAC team in Houston.
One side of MCB is open if Ohio State goes to the BCS. I assume that is a good bet after Ore. State's loss tonight.
Will ND go bowling or simply say no???
ANY chance of ND to MCB????
Any chance of Boise State vs. Ball State at MCB????
I don't see ND wanting to be humiliated by an in-state school (Ball State). They would be wise to stay home this year.
Krocker Krapp Wrote:Still open at that point would probably be one side of the Motor City Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, and Texas Bowl. The extra MAC team has to go to one of those games, the ACC would be shopping NCSU, and Notre Dame would probably be sitting out there as well. I think that combination would get you NCSU in Detroit, Notre Dame in Hawaii, and the extra MAC team in Houston.
Another pitfall is that an Arizona State upset over Arizona next week puts them in the Poinsettia and bumps a WAC team to, most likely, the Motor City Bowl. You would probably see the extra MAC team still go to Houston in that case while the Hawaii Bowl gets to choose between NCSU and Notre Dame but the Irish might just decline a bowl bid outright by that point anyway.
Good news for the MAC. a 7-5 or better team, say WMU, has priority over NCSU (6 - 6 and has to be at large as ACC is filling all of its 9 bowls). NCSU would bump a 6 - 6 MAC team like NIU or BG. Am I reading you right, Krocker, that WMU has priority over ND (6-6) also?
Bad news for the MAC: the MCB is open and Chryst and Perles et al will need to 'make a deal' to come up with a good opponent for BSU. I'm assuming Ohio State to a BCS bowl. (BTW, USC/PSU should be a GREAT bowl game).
Anyone care to set odds (say 50 - 50) that ND refuses a bowl, esp. if Weiss is fired?
I think BG is off the bubble but NIU is still on (long shot?).
Airport KC Wrote:Krocker Krapp Wrote:Pitt is not the odd team out of anything. The Big East bowls will fill as follows as long as Rutgers beats Louisville ...
BCS - Cincinnati
Sun - West Virginia or Pitt (Gator will take a Big 12 team)
Meineke - Rutgers or West Virginia
Papa John's - Pitt or Rutgers
St. Petersburg - USF
International - UConn
Wishing for Pitt in the Motor City Bowl will not make it happen. Notre Dame is not taking a Big East Bowl this year.
I'll take your word for it that ND will not be playing in a Big East bowl if the conference has 6 schools with 7 wins.
Adjusting my picks accordingly:
Motor City-Big Ten (NC State*)
Independence-Big XII (Western Michigan)
Houston-BigXII (Northern Ill.*)
Independence-SEC (Louisiana Tech)
Papa John's SEC (Florida Atlantic*)
Poinsettia-PAC10 (Boise State)
Hawaii-PAC10 (Bowling Green*)
*6 win team
Notre Dame if shut out of the Sun Bowl could very well decline a bowl invitation. This would be good for the MAC's chances of securing a 6th bowl game.
Pitt will be stuck playing a contracted Big East bowl regardless of the outcome of the Rutgers-Louisville game. Its in the best interest of the MAC that Rutgers takes care of buisness to prevent Louisville from gaining eligibility.
Notre Dame is going to the Sun Bowl, if anywhere. However, I don't think there's any at-large spots available right now for NIU or BG. What am I missing?
Assumption: Every BCS 6-6+ team will go bowling. That's at least 45 teams right there (including Notre Dame and Navy).
Plus, here's who we know is going from non-BCS teams:
CUSA - 6
MWC - 5
WAC - 5 (SJSU on the bubble)
SBC - 4 (including the 3 backup bowls, will they get all of them?)
MAC - 4 (we know CMU and WMU are in, NIU and BG on the bubble)
That's a total of 69 teams right there for 68 spots without the bubble teams (NIU, BG, SJSU). 2 Sun Belt teams would have to get knocked out of their backup bowls to open up a spot, right?? This also assumes that Arizona State and Louisville lose next week.
Edit: OK, I guess St. Petersburg and papajohns.com are closed to the SBC backup guaranteed, but the Independence Bowl is still open. That should mean 2 SBC teams guaranteed to go bowling. And one lone bowl spot to fight out between NIU, BGSU, SJSU and 2 Sun Belt teams. I think that's right now. Again, that assumes Arizona State and Louisville losing next week.
NoILL still has a shot
ND turning down bid if Wies is fired
Louv & ArizSt & La-Laff losing
ArkSt winning
This would flat out put NoILL in Haw
or Decission by a Bowl between NoILL & MTST & FlaAtl & SJST
Notre Dame will go to Hawaii if anywhere, assuming that Rutgers beats Louisville, which would close off all of the Big East bowls. The extra seven-win MAC team will probably end up in the Texas Bowl.
North Carolina State will end up in the Motor City Bowl if Ohio State makes the BCS and Poinsettia Bowl if Boise State makes the BCS. The other possibility is extra MAC in Poinsettia and NCSU in Texas.
San Jose State, one of the three 6-6 Sun Belt teams, and both 6-6 MAC teams will be closed out of a bowl because there are no more openings. The only other possibility is Hawaii if ND says no to a bid.